Rainbowsix wrote:is defending anarchists and groups like antifa morally ok?
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by Rainbowsix » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:30 pm
Rainbowsix wrote:is defending anarchists and groups like antifa morally ok?
by Tim Wore Pink on Wednesday and » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:33 pm
by Kaystein » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:47 am
by J o J » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:02 am
Xoriet wrote:I was technically going to stay out of the thread but since a certain someone saw fit to bring me up: I don't care if you want to roleplay WWII Germany. It does however draw in actual Nazis and fascists by default and then you have a region full of actual adherents of hateful ideologies. The issue isn't as cut and dry as anyone with a fascist tag means auto-Nazi to me. We de-tag regions that are clearly tag collectors or just have a theme with roleplay. We raid the actual adherents of fascism and Nazism. Very different.
by Lyrical International Brigade » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:33 am
J o J wrote:Xoriet wrote:I was technically going to stay out of the thread but since a certain someone saw fit to bring me up: I don't care if you want to roleplay WWII Germany. It does however draw in actual Nazis and fascists by default and then you have a region full of actual adherents of hateful ideologies. The issue isn't as cut and dry as anyone with a fascist tag means auto-Nazi to me. We de-tag regions that are clearly tag collectors or just have a theme with roleplay. We raid the actual adherents of fascism and Nazism. Very different.
Well, far from me to endorse NPO, but at least NPO does it right. ANTIFA, meanwhile, attacks people way outside of that target range, for example The Free Republican Commonwealth. ANTIFA is one of the big reasons why I help fascists in the first place, they would invade a region that has a single embassy out of many with one fascist region.
by Mirial Magna » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:37 am
MNIC wrote:As the new liberation comes closer and it is almost a guarantee that the The Union of the Axis Powers will be liberated, I am not fully ready to take a side. On one side, I worry if it ok to support a group of fascists that are against communist ideals, naming themselves after horrible people. I don't really want to support the Union, but on the other end of things, I don't like the SC being used to wage ideological warfare. The writer of the bill did not write a great bill, and is a communist(which I support more than fascists) looking to wage war on a region that has anti-communist manifestos. In other words, I don't like either option. However, I would be interested to hear the opinions of others, as the crown jewel of democracy is the opinions of the people.
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.
by Yokiria » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:46 am
by Mirial Magna » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:52 am
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.
by J o J » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:00 am
Lyrical International Brigade wrote:J o J wrote:
Well, far from me to endorse NPO, but at least NPO does it right. ANTIFA, meanwhile, attacks people way outside of that target range, for example The Free Republican Commonwealth. ANTIFA is one of the big reasons why I help fascists in the first place, they would invade a region that has a single embassy out of many with one fascist region.
Psst, nobody tell the fascists that NPO participates in Antifa. Apparently they couldn't figure it out from all the trophy WFEs, so who knows what else they may have missed? Looking forward to finding out!
by Mirial Magna » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:08 am
J o J wrote:Lyrical International Brigade wrote:
Psst, nobody tell the fascists that NPO participates in Antifa. Apparently they couldn't figure it out from all the trophy WFEs, so who knows what else they may have missed? Looking forward to finding out!
I already know that NPO and ANTIFA often co-operate and work together. However, NPO and other GCR forces usually aren't the ones who initiate an attack on regions outside the anti-fascist target range. ANTIFA has an immense and bloated range of targets, many of whom are not fascist at all, and NPO often times shows some form of assistance in those operations; but that being said, they aren't the ones initiating such operations. And for the record, if you're thinking that trophy WFEs are something that the entire NS metaverse checks out after a region gets raided then you're sorely mistaken.
Psst, nobody tell the commies that not a soul outside of ANTIFA cares about their copy-pasted WFEs.
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.
by Barometria » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:11 am
by Mirial Magna » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:14 am
Barometria wrote:Object to the phrasing of the question in the subject of the thread.
Defending free speech and defending Fascism are two totally different things.
You can have conditional free speech as a matter of practicality, or as a matter of the rules of a particular venue...but if those rules are being followed (which they were in this case) then speech is no longer free if general topics (in this case, Fascism) are restricted.
You can’t seek to restrict or eliminate a topic whilst simultaneously claiming to be in favor of free speech. It’s counterintuitive and must be one of the other. For me, it’s one of the very few clearly, “One or the other,” type choices.
That said, if you don’t believe in free speech, just admit it. You’re allowed not to believe in free speech.
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.
by Barometria » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:28 am
by Mirial Magna » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:35 am
Barometria wrote:NationStates has the right to do whatever NATIONSTATES wants. That would include creating an actual rule forbidding any discourse of a Fascist nature not directly pertinent to in-game issues, which would then thereby include not being permitted to have regions with the goal of promoting and discussing Fascism.
However, NS has no such rule. Thus, the former Region in question was conducting their free speech currently within the NS rules. The SC resolution had no real goal other to punish a region for promoting a particular ideal that the NS rules do not prevent them from doing.
IOW, it should not be for in-game mechanisms to punish or restrict free speech, but rather for NS rules to be more restrictive. If you really want to eliminate Fascism from the site, simply change the site’s rules. Because the rules have not been changed, one must conclude that the site does not wish to eliminate such discourse at this time.
Abril 8, 4020: The Republic has tracked General Grievous to Utapau! Perhaps this terrible clone war is finally coming to an end, even if we are on the losing side.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:53 am
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by Pinochetlande » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:55 am
Che Triumphant wrote:After what happened at Christchurch I would hope this question doesn’t even need to be asked
by Rainbowsix » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:57 am
by Rainbowsix » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:57 am
by West Leas Oros 2 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:02 am
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by Barometria » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:06 am
by Reploid Productions » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:10 pm
Pinochetlande wrote:Wow. That's as cucked as it gets.
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by Tim-Opolis » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:32 pm
Mirial Magna wrote:If we're banning fascist regions and users, we should also ban tankie regions and users.
Personally, I'd make this forum into a place for right-libertarians, conservatives, socnats, and monarchists.
<Koth - 06/30/2020> I mean as far as GPers go, Tim is one of the most iconic
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