Should the Megali idea in Greece be returned?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Imperialist America waits a lot, you will not make us like Iraq and Syria. Keep dreaming

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What do you think about Cyprus ?

It is Turks who elected Erdogan. And yes Bush made huge mistakes.

But that does not refute my argument. Erdogan won, Kemalists lost, and Kemalism in decline.

I live in turkey.My advice, read a book

War for no reason is murder !

Is the glory of Constantinople not a reason?

Typical right head It makes you happy when people fight and die for no reason ?

[Deacarsia]

I have a better idea: Revive the Imperium Constantinopolitanum.

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[SD_Film Artists]

Is the glory of Constantinople not a reason?

Typical right head It makes you happy when people fight and die for no reason ?

1: Poe's law.

2. I'm not right wing, centre-right at most.

3. Although combat has it's own glory, I'm not seriously advocating that Greece attacks Turkey.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

In a war. Neither country is sufficiently strong enough to destroy the other.

Greece has slight air force advantage (eaqual numbers but more experienced pilots).

Turkey has huge land advantage with many tanks and soldiers.

On the sea, turkey has some large ships and Greece has many small ships.
Greece can have fluid defense but can’t attack. Turkey has static defense but can somewhat attack.

Greece has more and longer range AA, but both have air home field advantage.

In reality, Greece can’t support islands far away from it or too close to turkey, but other than that tha air home field advance is too great on either side, which Greece narrowly winning the air battle over the open sea. Neither side is capable of major naval attacks.
The only land connection is a narrow straight with mountains and rivers.
On Greek side there are farms (short supply lines) on Turkish side it’s dessert (long supply lines).
Also Greece puts most of its artillery there.
While turkeys army is spread out.

There is very low chance of a surprise.

Conclusion.

Turkey gains some islands, then a stalemate.
(Turkey might win in a long war of attrition, but just maybe)

(Also, realistically Greece would not be the aggressor so it’s likely that the EU and the US would side with Greece if it were attacked).

[Novus America]

It is Turks who elected Erdogan. And yes Bush made huge mistakes.

But that does not refute my argument. Erdogan won, Kemalists lost, and Kemalism in decline.

I live in turkey.My advice, read a book

Is the glory of Constantinople not a reason?

Typical right head It makes you happy when people fight and die for no reason ?

You live in Turkey so tell me who is president again? Who is the dominant party again?

[Nakena]

I live in turkey.My advice, read a book

Typical right head It makes you happy when people fight and die for no reason ?

You live in Turkey so tell me who is president again? Who is the dominant party again?

Sultan President for Life Erdogan

Nah many turks are proud about their ancestry. They're not drones or a hivemind.

The problem is that the Greek Way of today is... well look at Greece and how it is being plundered by a corrupt politician caste and the popes.

Turkey does way better, though this is mostly the work of Ataturk who may have been a tracian greek ancestry himself. Regardless he created a new and better way, unfortunatly one Turkey has been abandoning increasingly in favor of erdoganism. (Erdogan is georgian btw)

Returning to the ancient greek way is a different story.

Why not just let the turks be turks? As long as they aren't being racist and killing people, I don't have a problem

Also Greece and Turkey will both be better when Christianity and Islam are forgotten

Agreed,

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

Irredentism is bad, mmkay. It causes wars.

Not unless it is getting your land back.

Like with South Tyrol, and Constantinople.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

Oh, and I’m all in favor of letting Venice drown fro what they did to Constantinople and Genoa.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Oh, and I’m all in favor of letting Venice drown fro what they did to Constantinople and Genoa.

Venice in particular ?
As in the city ?
Or Italy ?

[Panslav]

I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

A tit for tat action is historically not a good idea to begin with, although I can understand some sentiments behind that idea.
Aside that, the people of Turkey *are not* collectively guilty of those atrocities.
If people really want to bring the perpretators to justice, they shouldn't be focusing on dividing the dead Ottoman Empire back then and bring the Young Turks, the faction that can be said guilty for the Armenian genocides and others during WWI, to justice.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

Oh, and I’m all in favor of letting Venice drown fro what they did to Constantinople and Genoa.

Venice in particular ?
As in the city ?
Or Italy ?

Venice, not Italy. I literally just “Constantinople AND GENOA”.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

Well, maybe a bit more than a third to Greece, but you’re on the right track.

EDIT: I mean only the territorial concessions. Not genocide.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

Maybe the area colored in brown below:
https://www.google.com/search?q=lydian+ ... 5TpgBWltlM:

[Pyrghium]

I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

But then we’d be just as bad as the Ottomans, and the Young Turks, and Ataturk...

[Rio Cana]

Eastern Thrace = Greater Bulgaria. They were on the verge of actually completing this after the first Balkan war in which Bulgaria and its allies fought the Ottomans. But Bulgaria ended up fighting with there allies over territory gains and they lost it all during the second Balkans war.

Map before the first Balkan war against the Ottomans - https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.timetoast.c ... an-war.jpg

Map after the first Balkan war - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... s_1913.png

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

Well, maybe a bit more than a third to Greece, but you’re on the right track.

If your gonna move borders.
all land within a certain distance from ageain.

So like Cyprus,
all islands,
Istanbul (“Constantinople”)
And some cities inland.

Like take Istanbul, draw a line south, move it 50 miles East, all on that side is Greece, also Cyprus.

But not feasible in the slightest, or fair to the people there now.
You can claim they are indoctrinated, but not really.

[Starblaydia]

I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

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I have an idea. Give third of Turkey to Greece, third to Armenia and third to Kurdistan. And then Turkish Genocide. You reap what you sow.

Well, maybe a bit more than a third to Greece, but you’re on the right track.

Largely agreeing with posts advocating for Genocide is not a good look. Cut it out.

[Rojava Free State]

Damn I mean I'm no fan of the Turkish government either but suggesting we kill every turk is pretty messed up. I mean that includes women and kids

[Salus Maior]

It's too late for that bud.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

Again, the “Turks” in Anatolia aren’t even that ethnically Turkic. They just speak the language.

[Pyrghium]

Again, the “Turks” in Anatolia aren’t even that ethnically Turkic. They just speak the language.

...And are at least nominally Muslim (though there are many who take their faith seriously).

[Imperial Joseon]

Again, the “Turks” in Anatolia aren’t even that ethnically Turkic. They just speak the language.

If they're in Anatolia, I don't see how the Turks can be considered European.

[Tarchuna and Ravenna]

Anatolians are European. Turks are not.

[Neanderthaland]

Anatolians are European. Turks are not.

Defining continent boundaries can be tricky. But if there's one place that is definitely Asia, it's Anatolia. That has literally been the definition of Asia for 3,000 years. Ever since "Asia" was invented. Saying "Anatolians are European" is an incredibly odd thing to say.