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by Aureumterra » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:58 pm
by Nouveau Quebecois » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:59 pm
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:When isn’t a police union mad at their city administration? Anything short of instituting a full on police state and letting them have free uncontrolled reign will generally get a mayor on the bad side of a police union.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:59 pm
San Lumen wrote:Kargintina the Third wrote:NYC cops ‘declaring war’ on Mayor de Blasio, union says, following ‘assassination attempts’ on officers
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-union-de ... r-on-mayor
I’m not a fan of how NYC has been going lately, especially the Bronx. I have familial ties to the NYPD so hearing of them being in danger is concerning to me. I feel that Mayor De Blasio needs to take a stronger stance in favor of the police in New York City.
I also feel the new Bail laws in New York State are a poor decision as releasing someone who was just arrested could cause them to take violent actions in retaliation against whoever put them in jail. What are your thoughts NSG?
Shame on him for his despicable comments. While I do not condone these attacks I don’t know he wants the mayor to do. Does Lynch want the mayor to declare I support cops no matter what they do?
While attacks on cops are not acceptable both sides are to blame here. You want respect it has to be earned. You don’t just get it. Many communities and groups have poor relations because they don’t talk to each other and years of systematic bias.
Plus there was nothing De Blasio could have done
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:02 pm
Arlenton wrote:The NYPD should just be abolished, it's not like the people living there want a safe community anyway given they elected a guy who's letting criminals out of jail for free.
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by Rainbowsix » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:10 pm
by San Lumen » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:11 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:San Lumen wrote:Shame on him for his despicable comments. While I do not condone these attacks I don’t know he wants the mayor to do. Does Lynch want the mayor to declare I support cops no matter what they do?
While attacks on cops are not acceptable both sides are to blame here. You want respect it has to be earned. You don’t just get it. Many communities and groups have poor relations because they don’t talk to each other and years of systematic bias.
Plus there was nothing De Blasio could have done
Diblasio has been an enemy of PD since he started. This is the latest incident.
The democratic legislature passing bail reform and the idiot governor signing it without taking any aspect of it into consideration is what has the city in the ridiculous crime spike we have now.
Diblasio has been claiming a war on the rich since day one, the problem is the only folks he winds up hurting are the middle class.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:14 pm
San Lumen wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Diblasio has been an enemy of PD since he started. This is the latest incident.
The democratic legislature passing bail reform and the idiot governor signing it without taking any aspect of it into consideration is what has the city in the ridiculous crime spike we have now.
Diblasio has been claiming a war on the rich since day one, the problem is the only folks he winds up hurting are the middle class.
It’s likely going to be reformed this session. I’m surprised no one has suggested the idea of a police coup yet
by San Lumen » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:17 pm
by Kargintina the Third » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:31 pm
Arlenton wrote:The NYPD should just be abolished, it's not like the people living there want a safe community anyway given they elected a guy who's letting criminals out of jail for free.
by Gravlen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:38 am
by The East Marches II » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:18 am
Gravlen wrote:Kargintina the Third wrote:They’re definitely not a good idea. I’m all for Criminal Justice Reform, but holy shit that was not the way to go.
If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.
by Phoenicaea » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:41 am
by Thermodolia » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:30 am
Arlenton wrote:Why not have the NYPD just protect the wealthier white areas? The people supporting cops get cops in their neighborhood for protection against crime and the people opposing the police won't have to deal with police oppression.
by Thermodolia » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:33 am
San Lumen wrote:Nouveau Quebecois wrote:That would be so funny. Sounds like police in an An-Cop society. "Sorry, you haven't paid your premium police protection plan." I wouldn't be surprised if this happens in Detroit. Or Flint.
. Imagine a domestic violence incident or someone Is trying up break into an apartment and the caller being told “cops don’t serve your area and no one if coming. Goodbye” I don’t think it would even remotely be funny
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:37 am
by Greed and Death » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:40 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:42 am
by Vassenor » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:37 am
Greed and Death wrote:Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.
by Ethel mermania » Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:45 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:That's a shame, I like the new bail law. Imprisonment without trial is wrong.
I can see how waiving bail might increase crime (misdemeanor offenders being more likely to criminally offend, being on the streets rather than in jail) but it should only be a temporary effect. The misdeamenor offenders being kept in jail, tried, imprisoned would then, a year or two later, be as likely to offend as the bailed people. Whether the rate of recidivism after jail is higher or lower than before trail, should matter a lot more to us than whether waived-bail crime overlapping with legacy after-prison crime causes a bump of a year or two in total crime figures.
I don't entirely trust the motives of the police in opposing the bail law. Is it protection of the public or protection of their power to impose extrajudicial punishment on those too poor to afford bail?
by Rojava Free State » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:56 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:57 am
Greed and Death wrote:Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:00 am
Gravlen wrote:Kargintina the Third wrote:They’re definitely not a good idea. I’m all for Criminal Justice Reform, but holy shit that was not the way to go.
If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Ors Might » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:01 am
Liriena wrote:Police unions are the only bad unions.
by San Lumen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:29 am
Greed and Death wrote:Well the cops should remove the mayor with as little blood shed as possible may the police appointed replacement be a just mayor.
by Gravlen » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:31 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Gravlen wrote:If you're a fan of the merciless carceral state, a two-tiered criminal justice system, and looking like you're tough on crime without actually being tough on crime, you're absolutely correct.
Bail should be decided on an individual basis and a violent criminal shouldn't be getting it. Seriously if you let a violent offender out on bail, they're gonna go kick someone's ass. I'm all for criminal justice reform but there's reform and then there's being a dickhead. Let the guys outta prison who are there on non violent drug offenses, not the people who actually did some serious shit.
This is another thing I'm not fond of about de blasio, despite also not liking the NYPD
Under the new bail law, prosecutors can only ask for bail or pretrial detention in certain felony cases – including almost all violent felonies – and a handful of misdemeanor charges. Nearly all Class A felonies – the most serious category of crime, including murder, first-degree arson and first-degree kidnapping – are still eligible for bail or pretrial detention. So are the vast majority of felony sex offenses. Witness tampering and witness intimidation also fall under that category, as do terrorism and terrorism-related charges.
Most other misdemeanors, nonviolent felonies and a couple categories of violent felonies now lead to someone being automatically released.
The two “violent felonies” that lead to an automatic release are second-degree burglary and second-degree robbery, but only in very specific instances. For the burglary charge, the automatic release only occurs if the building that the defendant is accused of breaking into is a “dwelling.” In other words, if someone is unarmed, does not threaten anyone and does not harm anyone when breaking into a home, that person will now be automatically released. Similarly, someone accused of second-degree robbery can only be released if that person is helped by a second person, but neither caused physical harm or displayed a weapon.
In addition, the law has not changed what judges are permitted to consider in setting bail. Unlike almost all other states, judges in New York are not permitted to detain people due to concerns that they will pose a danger to the community if released. This part of the legislation is consistent with longstanding law in New York, which has prohibited the consideration of dangerousness in setting bail since 1971 in order to ensure that those charged with crimes are afforded the presumption of innocence.
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