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by Novus America » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:33 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:33 am
Celritannia wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I'm glad that you are conceding the point, but it could do with a little less of the criticising people for assuming that your meaning was what your words said rather than something that they did not say.
Yet, on the other hand, people should not put too much thought into the word on a forum about politics.
by Celritannia » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:42 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Yet, on the other hand, people should not put too much thought into the word on a forum about politics.
Far from being pedantic, it's general practice in this world so sorely lacking in telepathy to debate the words that people say rather than those that they claim after the event to have secretly been thinking all along. Is conceding a single minor point really this difficult? I'm hardly an open-minded sort, and yet even I managed to admit I fucked up on the biggest political issue of our era. Misusing the word fascist is hardly an action of great consequence, or some terrible shame that will hang over you. Simply move on and don't repeat the mistake, it's no great shakes to admit it.
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by Souseiseki » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:49 am
Novus America wrote:Because the Tories are not remotely Fascist, the idea of Tory Fascism is silly.
Sure Tories suck. Sure some have an authoritarian streak. Back they lack the other hallmarks of Fascism such as extreme militarism, heavy government spending on infrastructure, the military and public services, especially for families with children, third position economics combining market economics and state intervention, protectionism and self sufficiency, imperialism/revanchism/irredentist, banning opposition parties, etc.
Actually with the exception of the last two, more Fascist might an improvement
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:52 am
Souseiseki wrote:Novus America wrote:Because the Tories are not remotely Fascist, the idea of Tory Fascism is silly.
Sure Tories suck. Sure some have an authoritarian streak. Back they lack the other hallmarks of Fascism such as extreme militarism, heavy government spending on infrastructure, the military and public services, especially for families with children, third position economics combining market economics and state intervention, protectionism and self sufficiency, imperialism/revanchism/irredentist, banning opposition parties, etc.
Actually with the exception of the last two, more Fascist might an improvement
the tories are weird because they definitely want all of that stuff and talk it up publicly but they just cba paying for it
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:12 am
Celritannia wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Far from being pedantic, it's general practice in this world so sorely lacking in telepathy to debate the words that people say rather than those that they claim after the event to have secretly been thinking all along. Is conceding a single minor point really this difficult? I'm hardly an open-minded sort, and yet even I managed to admit I fucked up on the biggest political issue of our era. Misusing the word fascist is hardly an action of great consequence, or some terrible shame that will hang over you. Simply move on and don't repeat the mistake, it's no great shakes to admit it.
It's the word I found that best fit to get the attention it deserved, so it's done the trick.
by Souseiseki » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:02 am
by Souseiseki » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:08 am
“There is no guarantee that the trend will continue but what we do need to understand is that it is being driven by Brexit,” Curtis said. “[The] difficulty for the unionist position is that they say ‘we don’t think that the people of Scotland have the right to change their minds’.
“That won’t be sustainable if the trends we’re talking about go on much longer.”
by Ifreann » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:29 am
Souseiseki wrote:Ifreann wrote:Congrats(?) to the Tories on being too shit to do a fascism.
it's actually one of the cool things about living in the UK because you have insane unaccountable morality police state but they also have no money so they can't actually do shit except search twitter for N and send the vans out
of course this also means that if labour get in and actually try fund it then we're fucked, but until then yaaaaay?
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:23 am
by Novus America » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:14 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:16 am
Novus America wrote:
Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.
Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:18 am
Souseiseki wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/04/scottish-independence-survey-shows-brexit-has-put-union-at-risk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard“There is no guarantee that the trend will continue but what we do need to understand is that it is being driven by Brexit,” Curtis said. “[The] difficulty for the unionist position is that they say ‘we don’t think that the people of Scotland have the right to change their minds’.
“That won’t be sustainable if the trends we’re talking about go on much longer.”
nothing really new but it's nice to have a polling guy come out behind the idea that yes it's a brexit thing
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:19 am
Novus America wrote:
Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.
Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.
Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.
by The New California Republic » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:25 am
Novus America wrote:
Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.
Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.
Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.
by Greed and Death » Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:53 am
Ifreann wrote:Souseiseki wrote:
it's actually one of the cool things about living in the UK because you have insane unaccountable morality police state but they also have no money so they can't actually do shit except search twitter for N and send the vans out
of course this also means that if labour get in and actually try fund it then we're fucked, but until then yaaaaay?
Yaaaaaay? indeed.
by Novus America » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:08 am
The New California Republic wrote:Novus America wrote:
Umm the article does not say that though. Besides the fact this happened while the UK was still in the EU (the numbers are from last year) it also states this is not a new problem but one that has been going on decades.
Nowhere does it say leaving the EU has anything to do with it.
Much of the UK still has Victorian era combined sewers that are in poor condition due to growing population and lack of investment in upkeep and improvements.
Yes the UK’s infrastructure has issues, but that was a problem that has been going on while the UK was in the EU.
Many trains in the UK still have toilets ("hopper toilets") that flush straight onto the tracks, hence the toilet paper and shit that can be spotted on the tracks at train stations. There are usually signs in the toilets telling people not to flush in stations, but clearly they do.
by The New California Republic » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:23 am
Novus America wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Many trains in the UK still have toilets ("hopper toilets") that flush straight onto the tracks, hence the toilet paper and shit that can be spotted on the tracks at train stations. There are usually signs in the toilets telling people not to flush in stations, but clearly they do.
That is interesting (but pretty gross). Even in the US where our trains are not exactly the best I do not believe we have used such toilets for a long time. Never seen one, or the waste that goes along with it besides maybe in a museum.
Every train I have been in here has the airplane type ones.
Apparently we switched fully to holding tanks by 1990 and even before that had systems that disabled them in the station.
Surprised the UK is 30 years behind the US.
by Rojava Free State » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:28 am
The New California Republic wrote:Novus America wrote:
That is interesting (but pretty gross). Even in the US where our trains are not exactly the best I do not believe we have used such toilets for a long time. Never seen one, or the waste that goes along with it besides maybe in a museum.
Every train I have been in here has the airplane type ones.
Apparently we switched fully to holding tanks by 1990 and even before that had systems that disabled them in the station.
Surprised the UK is 30 years behind the US.
They have been saying for years that they are going to stop it, but here we are. While it's unpleasant for people stood on the station platforms, it's the railway line maintenance workers who need to deal with that literal shit every day.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Chan Island » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:08 am
Rojava Free State wrote:The New California Republic wrote:They have been saying for years that they are going to stop it, but here we are. While it's unpleasant for people stood on the station platforms, it's the railway line maintenance workers who need to deal with that literal shit every day.
Jeez that's disgusting
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by The New California Republic » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:12 am
by Chan Island » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:15 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by The New California Republic » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:18 am
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