MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[Gormwood]

Who actually believed there would be anything but?

Pelosi apparently.

Oh? Got sauce for your spurious claim or is this just gloaty wishful thinking on your part?

[The Black Forrest]

Who actually believed there would be anything but?

Pelosi apparently.

Hmmmm? No not really. She is pretty smart actually. I think she knew the end result was decided before arguments even started. This will be about the political sound bites against any weakened trump people in the next elections.

[Phoenicaea]

^i m not american, i don t live there, i have this view. this is wasteland for liberals, instead. because opposition has been divided, and scouted through.

true substantial electoral gain is disbanding opposite side so that can t vote unite. good for moderate democrats and republicans, not for common man.

[The Black Forrest]

^i m not american, i don t live there, i have this view. this is wasteland for liberals, instead. because opposition has been divided, and scouted through.

true substantial electoral gain is disbanding opposite side so that can t vote unite. good for moderate democrats and republicans, not for common man.

Moderate Republicans? I think that model was discontinued.

[Gormwood]

Serial pig mutilator Joni Ernst displays a perfect example of Trumpian projection:

As Joe Biden competes for a win in Iowa, one GOP senator is already talking about impeaching him

All that whining and bitching about the impeachment being nothing but a political coup to undo Trump's election and now Joni Ernst castrates the GOP's excuse by announcing an intention to impeach Biden for telling Ukraine to ditch corrupt asshole Viktor Shokin. Which would be laughable enough without banking on the assumption that Biden is going to win in 2020.

[The East Marches II]

Serial pig mutilator Joni Ernst displays a perfect example of Trumpian projection:

As Joe Biden competes for a win in Iowa, one GOP senator is already talking about impeaching him

All that whining and bitching about the impeachment being nothing but a political coup to undo Trump's election and now Joni Ernst castrates the GOP's excuse by announcing an intention to impeach Biden for telling Ukraine to ditch corrupt asshole Viktor Shokin. Which would be laughable enough without banking on the assumption that Biden is going to win in 2020.

You guys opened the door to impeachment like this. I'm a fan of this. It'll grind everything to halt and keep more of your bad ideas from being enacted :^)

[The Black Forrest]

Serial pig mutilator Joni Ernst displays a perfect example of Trumpian projection:

As Joe Biden competes for a win in Iowa, one GOP senator is already talking about impeaching him

All that whining and bitching about the impeachment being nothing but a political coup to undo Trump's election and now Joni Ernst castrates the GOP's excuse by announcing an intention to impeach Biden for telling Ukraine to ditch corrupt asshole Viktor Shokin. Which would be laughable enough without banking on the assumption that Biden is going to win in 2020.

You guys opened the door to impeachment like this. I'm a fan of this. It'll grind everything to halt and keep more of your bad ideas from being enacted :^)

Soooo? Trump is innocent and he did nothing wrong?

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

[Gormwood]

You guys opened the door to impeachment like this. I'm a fan of this. It'll grind everything to halt and keep more of your bad ideas from being enacted :^)

Soooo? Trump is innocent and he did nothing wrong?

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

Karma is a bitch. And Ernst proposing it in the first place seems a sign they're not so certain Donny can hang on in 2020.

[Frisbeeteria]

Imagine:
A) caring about what rich, reality disconnected politicians and media moguls say about each other
B) believing ANYTHING rich, reality disconnected politicians and media moguls say about each other
C) believing that any more than a majority of government bills passed will have a short term measurable effect on any more than ~10-20% of the US population
D) CARING ABOUT WHAT RICH, REALITY DISCONNECTED POLITICIANS AND MEDIA MOGULS SAY ABOUT EACH OTHER

[Telconi]

Pelosi apparently.

Hmmmm? No not really. She is pretty smart actually. I think she knew the end result was decided before arguments even started. This will be about the political sound bites against any weakened trump people in the next elections.

So it was, wait for it, entirely a political stunt? Hmmm... Who'd have think it?

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmmm? No not really. She is pretty smart actually. I think she knew the end result was decided before arguments even started. This will be about the political sound bites against any weakened trump people in the next elections.

So it was, wait for it, entirely a political stunt? Hmmm... Who'd have think it?

Hmmm....no. Trump is guilty and gave them the ability to act on it.

She was smart enough to make something that the trumpests were going to deny no matter what.

[The East Marches II]

You guys opened the door to impeachment like this. I'm a fan of this. It'll grind everything to halt and keep more of your bad ideas from being enacted :^)

Soooo? Trump is innocent and he did nothing wrong?

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

>Trump
>Innocent

A song comes to mind. One you might know.

[The Black Forrest]

Soooo? Trump is innocent and he did nothing wrong?

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

>Trump
>Innocent

A song comes to mind. One you might know.

[Aclion]

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

It wouldn't work because the accusation against Biden is is backed by actual evidence of an impeachable offence. It's all academic though, since the senate has already stated they'll be looking into Biden's actions after the trial is over, which means it's only a matter of time before they refer the issue to the DoJ

[The Black Forrest]

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

It wouldn't work because the accusation against Biden is is backed by actual evidence of an impeachable offence. It's all academic though, since the senate has already stated they'll be looking into Biden's actions after the trial is over, which means it's only a matter of time before they refer the issue to the DoJ

Evidence? All i heard were “Conspiracy theories”

You do have evidence of crimes right? To translate that into NSG talk

Sauce?

[Seangoli]

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

It wouldn't work because the accusation against Biden is is backed by actual evidence of an impeachable offence. It's all academic though, since the senate has already stated they'll be looking into Biden's actions after the trial is over, which means it's only a matter of time before they refer the issue to the DoJ

So let me explain why Biden having done something corrupt is bullshit. It hinges on the notion that Biden pressured the Ukraine into firing Shokin, which they otherwise would not have done, to stop him from investigating Burisma. The problems with this:

1. Shokin was dragging his feet on the investigation of Burisma. Contrary to the story, he put it on the back burner and was not persuing advancing the investigation against Burisma. This lack of investigation was actually documented by correspondence with Shokin at the time. In fact, this lack of movement is what earned him Biden's ire. Biden actually tried to get the investigation moving on corruption in Burisma. Sounds bizarre, but it's not if you know how 99, percent of business people operate. It is better to attempt due diligence on such issues than to engage or even ignore them.

2. Shokin tried to resign prior to his removal. He actually tried to quit his damn job. He didn't want it anymore.

3. There were widespread public protests against Shokin in the Ukraine, because his corruption was so utterly blatant. Several of his deputies were caught up in suspected bribery cases. He refused to investigate oligarchs.

4. He was removed not by some singular individual in the Ukraine government, but by a 289-161 vote, in which multiple parties voted to remove him.

So in order for the "Biden tried to leverage aid to get Shokin fired", we are forced to believe that Biden:

1. Stirred public resentment against Shokin.
2. Somehow got Shokin not to investigate Burisma.
3. Try to get Shokin to investigate Burisma after you spent time convincing him not to investigate Burisma.
4. Convince Shokin to resign.
5. Convince multiple Blocs from disparate political parties in the Ukrainian parliament to remove him.


I mean... Come on. Seriously. This is ridiculous.

[Fartsniffage]

If Biden makes it, I hope they will try it. The demos will probably do the same things the trumpests did. My ears are already ringing at the thought of the resulting rage the trumpests will be screaming.....

It wouldn't work because the accusation against Biden is is backed by actual evidence of an impeachable offence. It's all academic though, since the senate has already stated they'll be looking into Biden's actions after the trial is over, which means it's only a matter of time before they refer the issue to the DoJ

Is an offense impeachable if it committed before getting elected to a position?

[Gormwood]

It wouldn't work because the accusation against Biden is is backed by actual evidence of an impeachable offence. It's all academic though, since the senate has already stated they'll be looking into Biden's actions after the trial is over, which means it's only a matter of time before they refer the issue to the DoJ

Is an offense impeachable if it committed before getting elected to a position?

Can't impeach a guy not in office. It's threatening to actually do to Biden if he wins exactly what they kept bawling and whining was being done to Trump by the House Democrats. IMAX 3D projection at the technological finest.

[Jerzylvania]

It wouldn't work because the accusation against Biden is is backed by actual evidence of an impeachable offence. It's all academic though, since the senate has already stated they'll be looking into Biden's actions after the trial is over, which means it's only a matter of time before they refer the issue to the DoJ

So let me explain why Biden having done something corrupt is bullshit. It hinges on the notion that Biden pressured the Ukraine into firing Shokin, which they otherwise would not have done, to stop him from investigating Burisma. The problems with this:

1. Shokin was dragging his feet on the investigation of Burisma. Contrary to the story, he put it on the back burner and was not persuing advancing the investigation against Burisma. This lack of investigation was actually documented by correspondence with Shokin at the time. In fact, this lack of movement is what earned him Biden's ire. Biden actually tried to get the investigation moving on corruption in Burisma. Sounds bizarre, but it's not if you know how 99, percent of business people operate. It is better to attempt due diligence on such issues than to engage or even ignore them.

2. Shokin tried to resign prior to his removal. He actually tried to quit his damn job. He didn't want it anymore.

3. There were widespread public protests against Shokin in the Ukraine, because his corruption was so utterly blatant. Several of his deputies were caught up in suspected bribery cases. He refused to investigate oligarchs.

4. He was removed not by some singular individual in the Ukraine government, but by a 289-161 vote, in which multiple parties voted to remove him.

So in order for the "Biden tried to leverage aid to get Shokin fired", we are forced to believe that Biden:

1. Stirred public resentment against Shokin.
2. Somehow got Shokin not to investigate Burisma.
3. Try to get Shokin to investigate Burisma after you spent time convincing him not to investigate Burisma.
4. Convince Shokin to resign.
5. Convince multiple Blocs from disparate political parties in the Ukrainian parliament to remove him.


I mean... Come on. Seriously. This is ridiculous.

This reminds me. Wasn't Trump gonna lock Hillary up? Another fairy tale from Trump.

[Fartsniffage]

Is an offense impeachable if it committed before getting elected to a position?

Can't impeach a guy not in office. It's threatening to actually do to Biden if he wins exactly what they kept bawling and whining was being done to Trump by the House Democrats. IMAX 3D projection at the technological finest.

You misunderstand. If an offense is committed before election then can Congress impeach for it? If they can the Trump is really in the shit.

[Gormwood]

So let me explain why Biden having done something corrupt is bullshit. It hinges on the notion that Biden pressured the Ukraine into firing Shokin, which they otherwise would not have done, to stop him from investigating Burisma. The problems with this:

1. Shokin was dragging his feet on the investigation of Burisma. Contrary to the story, he put it on the back burner and was not persuing advancing the investigation against Burisma. This lack of investigation was actually documented by correspondence with Shokin at the time. In fact, this lack of movement is what earned him Biden's ire. Biden actually tried to get the investigation moving on corruption in Burisma. Sounds bizarre, but it's not if you know how 99, percent of business people operate. It is better to attempt due diligence on such issues than to engage or even ignore them.

2. Shokin tried to resign prior to his removal. He actually tried to quit his damn job. He didn't want it anymore.

3. There were widespread public protests against Shokin in the Ukraine, because his corruption was so utterly blatant. Several of his deputies were caught up in suspected bribery cases. He refused to investigate oligarchs.

4. He was removed not by some singular individual in the Ukraine government, but by a 289-161 vote, in which multiple parties voted to remove him.

So in order for the "Biden tried to leverage aid to get Shokin fired", we are forced to believe that Biden:

1. Stirred public resentment against Shokin.
2. Somehow got Shokin not to investigate Burisma.
3. Try to get Shokin to investigate Burisma after you spent time convincing him not to investigate Burisma.
4. Convince Shokin to resign.
5. Convince multiple Blocs from disparate political parties in the Ukrainian parliament to remove him.


I mean... Come on. Seriously. This is ridiculous.

This reminds me. Wasn't Trump gonna lock Hillary up? Another fairy tale from Trump.

Given Trump's fixation on Hillary from 2016 on, he might have meant using another word that rhymes with "lock".

[Jerzylvania]

Is an offense impeachable if it committed before getting elected to a position?

Can't impeach a guy not in office. It's threatening to actually do to Biden if he wins exactly what they kept bawling and whining was being done to Trump by the House Democrats. IMAX 3D projection at the technological finest.

These GOP senators are beyond shameless. Frank Gallagher could probably take some tips from them.

[Jerzylvania]

This reminds me. Wasn't Trump gonna lock Hillary up? Another fairy tale from Trump.

Given Trump's fixation on Hillary from 2016 on, he might have meant using another word that rhymes with "lock".

Hmm. She'd need some major breast implants.

[Telconi]

So let me explain why Biden having done something corrupt is bullshit. It hinges on the notion that Biden pressured the Ukraine into firing Shokin, which they otherwise would not have done, to stop him from investigating Burisma. The problems with this:

1. Shokin was dragging his feet on the investigation of Burisma. Contrary to the story, he put it on the back burner and was not persuing advancing the investigation against Burisma. This lack of investigation was actually documented by correspondence with Shokin at the time. In fact, this lack of movement is what earned him Biden's ire. Biden actually tried to get the investigation moving on corruption in Burisma. Sounds bizarre, but it's not if you know how 99, percent of business people operate. It is better to attempt due diligence on such issues than to engage or even ignore them.

2. Shokin tried to resign prior to his removal. He actually tried to quit his damn job. He didn't want it anymore.

3. There were widespread public protests against Shokin in the Ukraine, because his corruption was so utterly blatant. Several of his deputies were caught up in suspected bribery cases. He refused to investigate oligarchs.

4. He was removed not by some singular individual in the Ukraine government, but by a 289-161 vote, in which multiple parties voted to remove him.

So in order for the "Biden tried to leverage aid to get Shokin fired", we are forced to believe that Biden:

1. Stirred public resentment against Shokin.
2. Somehow got Shokin not to investigate Burisma.
3. Try to get Shokin to investigate Burisma after you spent time convincing him not to investigate Burisma.
4. Convince Shokin to resign.
5. Convince multiple Blocs from disparate political parties in the Ukrainian parliament to remove him.


I mean... Come on. Seriously. This is ridiculous.

This reminds me. Wasn't Trump gonna lock Hillary up? Another fairy tale from Trump.

Shrug, and Obama said he was bringing hope.

[Gormwood]

Given Trump's fixation on Hillary from 2016 on, he might have meant using another word that rhymes with "lock".

Hmm. She'd need some major breast implants.

Oh God... another word that rhymes with "lock" came up. I am sick.