2020 US General Election Thread IV: The Battle Begins

[Talvezout]

Imagine if the Georgia Senate race ends with a Republican lock out - Loeffler and Collins somehow split enough votes that Rev. Warnock and Lieberman make it to the runoff

It's very unlikely, but it'll be hilarious. And I'd imagine Doug Collins' career in politics would be over

[Ngelmish]

Delaney's dropped out: https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/john-delaney-drops-out-2020-election-130241159.html

Delaney said in a statement that internal analyses showed his support wasn’t enough to meet the 15% viability threshold needed in Iowa caucus precincts, but it was strong enough to take away from other like-minded Democratic candidates.

So, his 1% would make a difference? Okay buddy, keep saying that...

Anyway, about fucking time he dropped out.

That sounds ridiculous, but it really isn't, assuming that Delaney is personally deadset against Sanders or Warren as the nominee. In 2016, Martin O'Malley's voteshare in Iowa was actually larger than the difference between the Clinton and Sanders totals -- it's not entirely clear where those numbers would have gone, but they could have made the difference. Delaney's an ass for saying it out loud, but less than 1% is probably even more significant this time around, given how closely the top candidates are running.

Patrick and Bennet are both polling below 1% but are soldiering on. There's still a couple of days until Iowa, a couple more might drop out beforehand to endorse another candidate, others will stick it out until after the primary so they get mentioned on the news before dropping out.

James Carville must've lost his mind, he's gallivanting around New Hampshire, spreading the gospel that Michael Bennet is the best candidate and most likely to win. It's madness.

I forget where, but I saw a quote from Carville not that long ago wherein he seemed to be saying he didn't really expect Bennett to get the nomination, but that he thinks Bennett would be amazing if only he could get it. Admittedly, that's not a much better flex, but it's possible to at least follow the rationale.

A Bennett volunteer stopped me on the street the other day to get my signature for the primary ballot here. I think I've signed for seven different candidates at this point (albeit, mostly the also-rans).

[Gormwood]

Lol betting markets think Bernie has a slightly higher chance than Biden to win

But the system is still rigged against Sanders by DA ESTABLISHMENT because reasons.

[San Lumen]

Imagine if the Georgia Senate race ends with a Republican lock out - Loeffler and Collins somehow split enough votes that Rev. Warnock and Lieberman make it to the runoff

It's very unlikely, but it'll be hilarious. And I'd imagine Doug Collins' career in politics would be over

That would be absolutely amazing and should that happen you can bet republicans would immediately move to end the jungle primary system for special elections and runoffs for general elections

Fun fact: the jungle primary and runoffs are a relic of Jim Crow. It was designed to prevent Republicans from winning elections.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Imagine if the Georgia Senate race ends with a Republican lock out - Loeffler and Collins somehow split enough votes that Rev. Warnock and Lieberman make it to the runoff

It's very unlikely, but it'll be hilarious. And I'd imagine Doug Collins' career in politics would be over

That would be absolutely amazing and should that happen you can bet republicans would immediately move to end the jungle primary system for special elections and runoffs for general elections

Fun fact: the jungle primary and runoffs are a relic of Jim Crow. It was designed to prevent Republicans from winning elections.

The jungle primary can't be a terrible idea; California adopted it relatively recently. Maybe the state systems differ.

[San Lumen]

That would be absolutely amazing and should that happen you can bet republicans would immediately move to end the jungle primary system for special elections and runoffs for general elections

Fun fact: the jungle primary and runoffs are a relic of Jim Crow. It was designed to prevent Republicans from winning elections.

The jungle primary can't be a terrible idea; California adopted it relatively recently. Maybe the state systems differ.

Yes but in Georgia it’s a relic of Jim Crow. Jungle primaries are dumb because it risks one party being shut out a statewide office or district if the vote is split enough. In happened in 2018 for senate In California

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The jungle primary can't be a terrible idea; California adopted it relatively recently. Maybe the state systems differ.

Yes but in Georgia it’s a relic of Jim Crow. Jungle primaries are dumb because it risks one party being shut out a statewide office or district if the vote is split enough. In happened in 2018 for senate In California

I remember. A childish part of me is pleased there was no Republican on the ballot, but I admit it's not the best democratically.

[Idzequitch]

Yes but in Georgia it’s a relic of Jim Crow. Jungle primaries are dumb because it risks one party being shut out a statewide office or district if the vote is split enough. In happened in 2018 for senate In California

I remember. A childish part of me is pleased there was no Republican on the ballot, but I admit it's not the best democratically.

Meh. Maybe now they have some idea how we non-Dem, non-GOP voters feel when we look at the ballot.

[San Lumen]

I remember. A childish part of me is pleased there was no Republican on the ballot, but I admit it's not the best democratically.

Meh. Maybe now they have some idea how we non-Dem, non-GOP voters feel when we look at the ballot.

What is that supposed to mean? There is something called a primary perhaps you’ve heard of it?

[Idzequitch]

Meh. Maybe now they have some idea how we non-Dem, non-GOP voters feel when we look at the ballot.

What is that supposed to mean? There is something called a primary perhaps you’ve heard of it?

Sure I have. And I don't get to participate because I'm not a member of the right clubs.

To elaborate, what I mean is that some California Republicans got the chance to experience what I experience every election: No one remotely resembling your values on the ballot. Not even someone they liked that had no chance. Only, from their perspective, bad and worse. To be fair, I do live in New Mexico, where I'm proud to say we had eight presidential candidates on our ballot in 2016. But then down-ballot, it was the same old R vs D over and over. Bad vs Worse. What a thrill to get a say in that choice.

[San Lumen]

What is that supposed to mean? There is something called a primary perhaps you’ve heard of it?

Sure I have. And I don't get to participate because I'm not a member of the right clubs.

To elaborate, what I mean is that some California Republicans got the chance to experience what I experience every election: No one remotely resembling your values on the ballot. Not even someone they liked that had no chance. Only, from their perspective, bad and worse. To be fair, I do live in New Mexico, where I'm proud to say we had eight presidential candidates on our ballot in 2016. But then down-ballot, it was the same old R vs D over and over. Bad vs Worse. What a thrill to get a say in that choice.

So join a political party or if you don’t like whose running then run yourself

[Pacomia]

Sure I have. And I don't get to participate because I'm not a member of the right clubs.

To elaborate, what I mean is that some California Republicans got the chance to experience what I experience every election: No one remotely resembling your values on the ballot. Not even someone they liked that had no chance. Only, from their perspective, bad and worse. To be fair, I do live in New Mexico, where I'm proud to say we had eight presidential candidates on our ballot in 2016. But then down-ballot, it was the same old R vs D over and over. Bad vs Worse. What a thrill to get a say in that choice.

So join a political party or if you don’t like whose running then run yourself

Not how it works.

At all.

Not even close.

[Idzequitch]

Sure I have. And I don't get to participate because I'm not a member of the right clubs.

To elaborate, what I mean is that some California Republicans got the chance to experience what I experience every election: No one remotely resembling your values on the ballot. Not even someone they liked that had no chance. Only, from their perspective, bad and worse. To be fair, I do live in New Mexico, where I'm proud to say we had eight presidential candidates on our ballot in 2016. But then down-ballot, it was the same old R vs D over and over. Bad vs Worse. What a thrill to get a say in that choice.

So join a political party or if you don’t like whose running then run yourself

Would you ever consider joining the GOP? No, because there are too many fundamental differences between you and them. I feel that way about both parties. I don't think I should be punished for not forcing my political views to fit neatly into one of two boxes.

And don't even get me started on this "run yourself" shit again. I have no funding. I have no desire to be a politician, and they'd deny me ballot access anyway since I still refuse to contort myself into becoming a Republican or a Democrat.

[Idzequitch]

So join a political party or if you don’t like whose running then run yourself

Not how it works.

At all.

Not even close.

Doesn't prevent him from parroting the point time and time and time again.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I decided to actually register to vote. I probably won't vote in the general, but I feel like I should vote in the democratic primary. Gonna cast for Bernie. Should be manage to get the nomination, this could be the most important election of my lifetime, kind of feel like I should have some part in it.

[USS Monitor]

2008 had a decent crop of candidates and a decent amount of debate. 2016 did not have enough, and I am really glad we have more this cycle.

I agree that having a larger field is good for the party, and that's why it bothered me when Sanders acted like he was offended to have so many people on stage. Like, hello? Earth to Bernie? That's democracy.

I watched that same debate, and I didn't see anything to make me think Sanders was offended that there were so many people on the debate stage. Where are you coming off with this nonsense?

"I'm the only candidate" this and "I'm the only candidate" that, loud as fuck. Body language too, and constantly talking over other people. It isn't shockingly out of character either, since he has a history of letting his popularity go to his head and becoming egotistical. He wasn't exactly gracious in defeat in 2016.

Just because you wanted to listen to him rattle on like it's one of his rallies doesn't mean the moderators should let him do that, or that it's acceptable for him to be aggressively talking over them every time they try to give someone else a turn.

The first night of that debate had intelligent conversation. The second night was just Bernie yelling and Harris playing the race card.

[USS Monitor]

Biden keeps telling people to not vote for him.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... meone-else

Maybe people should follow his advice idk

They should if he's going to keep doing that.

[Bear Stearns]

Alex Brown, a Division of Raymond James (now Deutsche Bank)
Bankers Trust (now Deutsche Bank)
Bank One (now JPMorgan Chase)
Barings (defunct)
Bear Stearns (defunct)
Chase Manhattan (now JPMorgan Chase)
Dean Witter Reynolds (now Morgan Stanley)
Dillon Read (now UBS)
Drexel Burnham Lambert (defunct)
Donaldson Lufkin & Jenrette (now Credit Suisse)
EF Hutton (merged with Shearson, and then American Express, became Lehman Brothers, now defunct)
First Boston (now Credit Suisse)
Fenner & Bean (became Merrill Lynch, now Bank of America)
Hornblower & Weeks (became Merrill Lynch, now Bank of America)
Jackson Steinem (fictional)
Kidder Peabody (became GE Capital, now defunct)
Kuhn Loeb (became Lehman Brothers, now defunct)
Lehman Brothers (defunct)
LF Rothschild (defunct)
Morgan Schiff (defunct)
Paine Weber (now Morgan Stanley)
Pierce & Pierce (fictional)
Salomon Brothers (now Morgan Stanley)
Shearson (merged with EF Hutton, and then American Express, became Lehman Brothers, now defunct)
Smith Barney (now Morgan Stanley)


and that is the history of US investment bank mergers and collapses since the 1970s

[Aureumterra]

So Warren threatened to criminalize spreading disinformation online

Didn’t she say she was Native American on Twitter?

[San Lumen]

So join a political party or if you don’t like whose running then run yourself

Would you ever consider joining the GOP? No, because there are too many fundamental differences between you and them. I feel that way about both parties. I don't think I should be punished for not forcing my political views to fit neatly into one of two boxes.

And don't even get me started on this "run yourself" shit again. I have no funding. I have no desire to be a politician, and they'd deny me ballot access anyway since I still refuse to contort myself into becoming a Republican or a Democrat.

Go run for local office then. To say everyone sucks is such a cop out

[Pacomia]

Would you ever consider joining the GOP? No, because there are too many fundamental differences between you and them. I feel that way about both parties. I don't think I should be punished for not forcing my political views to fit neatly into one of two boxes.

And don't even get me started on this "run yourself" shit again. I have no funding. I have no desire to be a politician, and they'd deny me ballot access anyway since I still refuse to contort myself into becoming a Republican or a Democrat.

Go run for local office then. To say everyone sucks is such a cop out

Elections are stressful, and generally those who don't have any past political experience or otherwise name recognition have a low chance of winning. You don't just run for political office. That's not how it works.

[Talvezout]

Chuck Schumer is the literal caricature version of Pelosi and I'm surprised he doesn't get more heat for that compared to Pelosi

[San Lumen]

Go run for local office then. To say everyone sucks is such a cop out

Elections are stressful, and generally those who don't have any past political experience or otherwise name recognition have a low chance of winning. You don't just run for political office. That's not how it works.

How does anyone get elected then? Everyone starts from somewhere

[Talvezout]

Elections are stressful, and generally those who don't have any past political experience or otherwise name recognition have a low chance of winning. You don't just run for political office. That's not how it works.

How does anyone get elected then? Everyone starts from somewhere

Running for something as simple as city council or school board or neighborhood council can change things for a lot of people honestly

[San Lumen]

How does anyone get elected then? Everyone starts from somewhere

Running for something as simple as city council or school board or neighborhood council can change things for a lot of people honestly

I agree. It’s an excellent place to start