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Postby Loftegen 3 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:40 pm

It was bad sex, so it wasn't real socialism!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:40 pm

Neu California wrote:So, uh, what's this thread supposed to be about because I can't make heads or tails of it

Joy Behar said something not related to physical beauty can lend itself to sexual attraction which somehow proves that women aren't as horny as men because the OP will fuck a warm hole but also Behar is too ugly to fuck something something.


I don't know either.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:42 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Neu California wrote:So, uh, what's this thread supposed to be about because I can't make heads or tails of it

Joy Behar said something not related to physical beauty can lend itself to sexual attraction which somehow proves that women aren't as horny as men because the OP will fuck a warm hole but also Behar is too ugly to fuck something something.


I don't know either.


Ngl I myself am on the kinky side but if joy behar made moves on me, i'd make usaine bolt look like a snail. I advise you all do the same
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:44 pm

Loftegen 3 wrote:It was bad sex, so it wasn't real socialism!


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:45 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Joy Behar said something not related to physical beauty can lend itself to sexual attraction which somehow proves that women aren't as horny as men because the OP will fuck a warm hole but also Behar is too ugly to fuck something something.


I don't know either.


Ngl I myself am on the kinky side but if joy behar made moves on me, i'd make usaine bolt look like a snail. I advise you all do the same

Don't kink shame.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:04 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
New haven america wrote:Why are you so fascinated with the female orgasm?

Aren't we all? Why else do you figure gun owners/truck owners/etc... are made out to be compensating for an inadequately sized penis?

Uh, until they're in their 30's or 40's most women can't orgasm from PIV sex (The interior part of the clitoris hasn't grown and engorged by that point) only, and need clitoral or g-spot stimulation in order to get off (A task which the penis is very poorly designed for).

Also, the general consensus among women tends to be girth>length.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:06 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Do they realize, when they say this, how horny men are?

Imma stop you right here. As a dick carrying member of the male persuasion...knock this shit off. Let's stop propagating the myth that being a dude means we'll fuck anything warm and hollow. If that's your M.O. than own it, stop trying to blame it on your dick.

Thanks in advance,
All the people you're using to excuse your own behavior.

Why do they feel the need to label all men as horn-dogs? what do they gain from dragging all of us down with them?

Also, tbh, I find women tend to be more kinky than guys are, so yeah...
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Postby US-SSR » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:32 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
US-SSR wrote:Seems like OP wants to springboard off Joy Behar's taste in men in order to talk about the female orgasm. fwiw back in the day I wasn't about to have sex with any woman who thought abortion wasn't an option if all other precautions failed...


Am I the only person who along with a partner has used both condoms and birth control pills at the same time to make sure pregnancy is 100% impossible?


Nope. Not by a long shot. But anything that can happen, will happen, including some heroic zygotes getting past barriers and chemical warfare to do what it has evolved to do. I knew a woman who had her tubes tied and conceived afterwards.

Saiwania wrote:I don't see many Incels wanting to be with Joy Behar. Then again, if someone closes their eyes; it might not be such a big deal. I don't know why it is, but the Conservative women on average, seem to be more physically attractive than the Liberal women within US media. It is true enough to be a stereotype and meme.


In the immortal words of Ben Frankin, in the dark, all cats are gray.

New haven america wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Aren't we all? Why else do you figure gun owners/truck owners/etc... are made out to be compensating for an inadequately sized penis?

Uh, until they're in their 30's or 40's most women can't orgasm from PIV sex (The interior part of the clitoris hasn't grown and engorged by that point) only, and need clitoral or g-spot stimulation in order to get off (A task which the penis is very poorly designed for).

Also, the general consensus among women tends to be girth>length.


Not that I ignored such basic things as foreplay but my partners in their 20s must not have been "most women" then...mmm...
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:53 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Do they realize, when they say this, how horny men are?

Imma stop you right here. As a dick carrying member of the male persuasion...knock this shit off. Let's stop propagating the myth that being a dude means we'll fuck anything warm and hollow. If that's your M.O. than own it, stop trying to blame it on your dick.

Thanks in advance,
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Now if a female poster had said that, the MRAs would have come charging in smelling blood.
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Postby Page » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:33 am

Glad to know that the second dumbest person on The View has spiced up her sex life by sleeping with socialists. I assume Meghan McCain prefers to just go to the Raytheon factory floor where they keep all the bombs to satisfy that sexual desires that run in her DNA.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:36 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Ngl I myself am on the kinky side but if joy behar made moves on me, i'd make usaine bolt look like a snail. I advise you all do the same

Don't kink shame.

Kink shaming is my kink tho.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:48 am

That's nice for Joy Behar, I suppose.
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:49 am

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:51 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Neu California wrote:So, uh, what's this thread supposed to be about because I can't make heads or tails of it


Apparently Joy Behar had sex with a lot of men. She was totally willing to bang the hell out of someone...just someone, it doesn't matter who

Except bernie, no bernie banging for joy.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:52 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:A real socialist also sails the red sea.

:unsure:

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:47 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Don't kink shame.

Kink shaming is my kink tho.

Very original, much creative
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:49 am

New haven america wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Aren't we all? Why else do you figure gun owners/truck owners/etc... are made out to be compensating for an inadequately sized penis?

Uh, until they're in their 30's or 40's most women can't orgasm from PIV sex (The interior part of the clitoris hasn't grown and engorged by that point) only, and need clitoral or g-spot stimulation in order to get off (A task which the penis is very poorly designed for).

Also, the general consensus among women tends to be girth>length.

1. The narrative I'm referring to doesn't typically come with any caveat about gun/truck owners being picky about her age.

2. If it weren't about perceived ability to satisfy a woman, why would anyone even care?


Cannot think of a name wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Do they realize, when they say this, how horny men are?

Imma stop you right here. As a dick carrying member of the male persuasion...knock this shit off. Let's stop propagating the myth that being a dude means we'll fuck anything warm and hollow. If that's your M.O. than own it, stop trying to blame it on your dick.

Thanks in advance,
All the people you're using to excuse your own behavior.

>Implying I'm referring to my own behaviour.

I'm one of the few who's actually deterred by the risks... for now. Even way back before I was deterred by them, I could when obsessed enough with one girl find other girls' flirting genuinely untempting.

If you're wrong about me, what else could you be wrong about?
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Andsed » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:50 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Andsed wrote:Kink shaming is my kink tho.

Very original, much creative

...shut up. :p
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:53 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
For years, women have claimed to be just as horny as men. Do they realize, when they say this, how horny men are? Joy's literally right across the table from Meghan McCain, a woman bashed by left and right alike for different reasons, the one insult they have in common being for her weight, yet it doesn't make her any less attractive as evidenced by the popularity of hentai portraying women of her exact body type, hair colour, etc... how can they not notice that lust doesn't rely on respect?

Oh for Pete’s sake.

Women and men may have some statistically based differences for what in particular they find attractive, but there’s no horny test and even more pointedly no proof of any sort that men are more horny than women or vice versa.

Various men and women can “get laid” regardless of body type, although statistics again weigh in here. But, and I don’t know how to tell you this...

Fat people of both sexes fuck regularly.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:59 am

Galloism wrote:Women and men may have some statistically based differences for what in particular they find attractive, but there’s no horny test and even more pointedly no proof of any sort that men are more horny than women or vice versa.

There is a horny test, it's called "child support law." Most males who take that risk of being a "dead-broke dad" are separated from that circumstance solely by chance. This hasn't dissuaded them.

Women risk needing to abort, but it's still their choice. It's possible women are even hornier than men are, but it's impossible to prove.


Galloism wrote:Various men and women can “get laid” regardless of body type, although statistics again weigh in here. But, and I don’t know how to tell you this...

Fat people of both sexes fuck regularly.

We can only prove it for women. For men, you'd need paternity testing at birth.
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:36 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Galloism wrote:Women and men may have some statistically based differences for what in particular they find attractive, but there’s no horny test and even more pointedly no proof of any sort that men are more horny than women or vice versa.

There is a horny test, it's called "child support law." Most males who take that risk of being a "dead-broke dad" are separated from that circumstance solely by chance. This hasn't dissuaded them.


First, that's a stupid argument, both because most people don't think about children at sexy time and that it negates a similarly gendered analysis of women.

Women risk needing to abort, but it's still their choice. It's possible women are even hornier than men are, but it's impossible to prove.


Second, women risk literally having children in a lot of places. Hell, even here, if they live outside the range of getting to an abortion clinic.

And while it may be possible that women are hornier than men or vice versa, but it's really hard to say either way, so its' best to keep it as net neutral until proven otherwise.

So in the original generously referred to as argument, when you said:

For years, women have claimed to be just as horny as men. Do they realize, when they say this, how horny men are?


Until proven otherwise, yes, they probably do.

Galloism wrote:Various men and women can “get laid” regardless of body type, although statistics again weigh in here. But, and I don’t know how to tell you this...

Fat people of both sexes fuck regularly.

We can only prove it for women. For men, you'd need paternity testing at birth.

Paternity testing at birth may be a good policy thing, but that's irrelevant to the known fact that fat men fuck. Hell, statistically, there's probably a fat person fucking within a few hundred meters of you.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:05 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Galloism wrote:Women and men may have some statistically based differences for what in particular they find attractive, but there’s no horny test and even more pointedly no proof of any sort that men are more horny than women or vice versa.

There is a horny test, it's called "child support law." Most males who take that risk of being a "dead-broke dad" are separated from that circumstance solely by chance. This hasn't dissuaded them.

Women risk needing to abort, but it's still their choice. It's possible women are even hornier than men are, but it's impossible to prove.


Galloism wrote:Various men and women can “get laid” regardless of body type, although statistics again weigh in here. But, and I don’t know how to tell you this...

Fat people of both sexes fuck regularly.

We can only prove it for women. For men, you'd need paternity testing at birth.

You only need to have sex once to have a kid. Having kids is not a reliable counter of having sex once you go above the number of kids you have

In fact experience shows already having to live with children is the best rational for birth control evah.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:12 am

Galloism wrote:First, that's a stupid argument, both because most people don't think about children at sexy time and that it negates a similarly gendered analysis of women.

They know it's a risk. Some are deterred. Some aren't.

This gives us a bare minimum estimate of the sex drive of men. Women might exceed this, they might not. But women who claim to be as horny as men do not typically specify whether it's because "women are hornier than they're made out to be" or "men are less so."


Galloism wrote:Hell, even here, if they live outside the range of getting to an abortion clinic.

And cannot find anyone willing to transport them to wherever they can?

There's also safe haven sites, which males have no real equivalent to either. Whether or not they even need one is beside the point of how much more clear-cut the evidence of "finding it worth the risks involved" is.

If an individual woman has access neither to abortion nor to a safe haven site, then yes, we've established she must be pretty horny if she accepts that risk. But for males the risk is there by definition.


Galloism wrote:And while it may be possible that women are hornier than men or vice versa, but it's really hard to say either way, so its' best to keep it as net neutral until proven otherwise.

Which comes back full circle to why a woman sleeping with male socialists doesn't prove respect for them any more than the gender-flip.


Galloism wrote:Paternity testing at birth may be a good policy thing, but that's irrelevant to the known fact that fat men fuck. Hell, statistically, there's probably a fat person fucking within a few hundred meters of you.

That only indicates how often sex is happening, not who is involved.

I'm not saying fat guys don't have sex at all, I'm saying overweight women getting pregnant is stronger proof men don't find weight unattractive than can be proven about the gender-flip.
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Galloism » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:32 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Galloism wrote:First, that's a stupid argument, both because most people don't think about children at sexy time and that it negates a similarly gendered analysis of women.

They know it's a risk. Some are deterred. Some aren't.


And just like women know pregnancy is a risk. Some are deterred, some aren't.

And to be honest, there's a level of trust here you haven't factored in. Women are trusted more by society than men are in general principle. So when a woman says "hey i'm on birth control" men are likely to believe them, while when men say "I've had a vasectomy" women aren't likely to believe them.

This gives us a bare minimum estimate of the sex drive of men. Women might exceed this, they might not. But women who claim to be as horny as men do not typically specify whether it's because "women are hornier than they're made out to be" or "men are less so."


I'm not even sure where you're going with this - the original statement was asking if Joy knows how horny men are.

Implying she's not as horny as men are (and, since this is the first i've heard of this person, i assume this is based on 'women are not as horny as men are', which is not proven).

Galloism wrote:Hell, even here, if they live outside the range of getting to an abortion clinic.

And cannot find anyone willing to transport them to wherever they can?


Yes.

There's also safe haven sites, which males have no real equivalent to either. Whether or not they even need one is beside the point of how much more clear-cut the evidence of "finding it worth the risks involved" is.

If an individual woman has access neither to abortion nor to a safe haven site, then yes, we've established she must be pretty horny if she accepts that risk. But for males the risk is there by definition.


Yes, the exact same risk. So almost any given child (sperm bank babies excepted) - almost any given child - is equal proof of the hornyness of both men and women, since by definition it took one of each.

Galloism wrote:And while it may be possible that women are hornier than men or vice versa, but it's really hard to say either way, so its' best to keep it as net neutral until proven otherwise.

Which comes back full circle to why a woman sleeping with male socialists doesn't prove respect for them any more than the gender-flip.


I'll agree with that, but when it comes to the original statement - does she know how horny men are - the answer is probably "yep, about the same as women (+/-)".

Galloism wrote:Paternity testing at birth may be a good policy thing, but that's irrelevant to the known fact that fat men fuck. Hell, statistically, there's probably a fat person fucking within a few hundred meters of you.

That only indicates how often sex is happening, not who is involved.

I'm not saying fat guys don't have sex at all, I'm saying overweight women getting pregnant is stronger proof men don't find weight unattractive than can be proven about the gender-flip.


Meh, BS. There's plenty of examples of fat guys with lots of kids. One is the president.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:52 am

Galloism wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:They know it's a risk. Some are deterred. Some aren't.


And just like women know pregnancy is a risk. Some are deterred, some aren't.

And to be honest, there's a level of trust here you haven't factored in. Women are trusted more by society than men are in general principle. So when a woman says "hey i'm on birth control" men are likely to believe them, while when men say "I've had a vasectomy" women aren't likely to believe them.

This gives us a bare minimum estimate of the sex drive of men. Women might exceed this, they might not. But women who claim to be as horny as men do not typically specify whether it's because "women are hornier than they're made out to be" or "men are less so."


I'm not even sure where you're going with this - the original statement was asking if Joy knows how horny men are.

Implying she's not as horny as men are (and, since this is the first i've heard of this person, i assume this is based on 'women are not as horny as men are', which is not proven).

And cannot find anyone willing to transport them to wherever they can?


Yes.

There's also safe haven sites, which males have no real equivalent to either. Whether or not they even need one is beside the point of how much more clear-cut the evidence of "finding it worth the risks involved" is.

If an individual woman has access neither to abortion nor to a safe haven site, then yes, we've established she must be pretty horny if she accepts that risk. But for males the risk is there by definition.


Yes, the exact same risk. So almost any given child (sperm bank babies excepted) - almost any given child - is equal proof of the hornyness of both men and women, since by definition it took one of each.

Which comes back full circle to why a woman sleeping with male socialists doesn't prove respect for them any more than the gender-flip.


I'll agree with that, but when it comes to the original statement - does she know how horny men are - the answer is probably "yep, about the same as women (+/-)".

That only indicates how often sex is happening, not who is involved.

I'm not saying fat guys don't have sex at all, I'm saying overweight women getting pregnant is stronger proof men don't find weight unattractive than can be proven about the gender-flip.


Meh, BS. There's plenty of examples of fat guys with lots of kids. One is the president.

And he married a porn star.

Donald trump the ultimate chad.


And a quibble, just because you have sex and get off, does not mean you are horny. Plenty of people have sex not necessarily because they want sex, but because their partner wants it, and they are trying to accommodate their partner.
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