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by Gallia- » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:21 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:52 pm
Post War America wrote:Which is exactly what is needed in this case, an armed variant of a transport bird to support air assault operations so that valuable attack helicopters are free to engage in what attack helicopters do best.
by Crookfur » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:07 am
Post War America wrote:In a reverse look at the above discussion, was the MH-60 a mistake? One of my puppets has a very limited number of dedicated attack birds, and a decent number of utility models and I was thinking of upgunning some Eurocopter Cougars.
by Gallia- » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:48 am
by Crookfur » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:00 am
Gallia- wrote:rooivalk took like 500 years to make tbf
by Gallia- » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:01 am
by Ormata » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:13 am
Gallia- wrote:there was a little boi thing but that was less a gunship and more like the sioux scout "gunship"
it had no sensors or anything iirc it was just a mocked up alouette with a giat 20mm and tandem seating
of all the dumbcopter babships i always liked the PENETRATOR because it's super dumb even among the dumbcopters
just has a 20mm ass blaster to dab on mi-24s or crop dust trenches or whatever lmao
by Gallia- » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:24 am
by Post War America » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:58 am
Crookfur wrote:Post War America wrote:In a reverse look at the above discussion, was the MH-60 a mistake? One of my puppets has a very limited number of dedicated attack birds, and a decent number of utility models and I was thinking of upgunning some Eurocopter Cougars.
IIRC the French spec ops cougars and caracals can all be fitted with a 20mm door gun plus gun and rocket pods buts pretty much just for the same limited operations as the AH-60 and MH-60s.
If you have the tooling and a license to produce cougars then developing a more in depth gunship modification would be an option if the procurement of additional dedicated attack helicopters would be problematic. Basically if you find yourself in a similar situation to where Romania or South afria were with the puma.
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by The Dolphin Isles » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:23 am
by The united American-Isreali empire » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:56 am
Gallia- wrote:Purpelia wrote:I'd disagree. They are a jack of all trades that can be used as either an attack helicopter or a transport depending on what's needed at the time.
An entirely useless capability.
Mi-24 should have lost the wings and every bit of armament except the door guns. Improved armor would help but you'd be looking at UH-1 levels of troop movement. Not that that's bad by the standards of the time, I suppose. UH-60 was still a decade away, but by the time it shows up it's obviously the best assault transport in the world and remains a high level competitor.
by The Akasha Colony » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:02 pm
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:I suspect fully well if it had been better on the engines it would of been my better. I grew up liking the idea. It is very verastile and a jack of all trades design.
by Crookfur » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:59 pm
The Dolphin Isles wrote:The Aérospatiale Gazelle has some pretty amazing possible modifications. 68 mm unguided HE rockets, 20 mm cannon, or 2-6 ATGMS. I have even seen pictures of it with a door-mounted minigun and MANPAD missiles. The Eurocopter Fennec is in a similar boat as well as the previously mentioned Aérospatiale Alouette.
by Danternoust » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:21 pm
Arming a light utility is a just about workable solution if you can't get hold of anything better but pretty much everyone with a reasonable budget has adopted a dedicated attack helicopter in the rough "medium twin' class to replace such solutions over the years.
by The Manticoran Empire » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:22 pm
Danternoust wrote:Soviet Gigantomania was ... interesting. I wonder how concentrated production would have become if Khrushchev did not introduce modest reforms for regionalism.Arming a light utility is a just about workable solution if you can't get hold of anything better but pretty much everyone with a reasonable budget has adopted a dedicated attack helicopter in the rough "medium twin' class to replace such solutions over the years.
Helicopters only work when they are out of range of small arms and on a battlefield with clear front lines.
by Korva » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:08 pm
Crookfur wrote:I thought I could recall some sort of armed puma/oynx stop gap but that appears not to have been a thing.
by Gallia- » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:03 pm
The united American-Isreali empire wrote:Gallia- wrote:
An entirely useless capability.
Mi-24 should have lost the wings and every bit of armament except the door guns. Improved armor would help but you'd be looking at UH-1 levels of troop movement. Not that that's bad by the standards of the time, I suppose. UH-60 was still a decade away, but by the time it shows up it's obviously the best assault transport in the world and remains a high level competitor.
I suspect fully well if it had been better on the engines it would of been my better. I grew up liking the idea. It is very verastile and a jack of all trades design.
by Puzikas » Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:36 pm
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by Theodosiya » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:26 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:02 pm
Theodosiya wrote:Three engine utility/assault helicopter like AW-101, quite useful for everything except attack, yes? How it compares to UH-60?
by Triplebaconation » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:48 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:02 pm
Triplebaconation wrote:It's somewhere between a UH-60 and CH-53, and closer to the UH-60 in most respects. Nobody's going to carry 45 troops around in a Merlin (standing room only!). 16-24 is more likely.
by Triplebaconation » Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:00 am
by New Vihenia » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:37 am
Triplebaconation wrote:
The CH-53 is an entirely different order of big, with about twice the cabin volume of a Merlin. They may be able to carry the same dudes on paper, but the difference is the CH-53 can actually deploy them in combat instead of carrying them around like a clown car.
by Turuma » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:47 am
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