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by Dentali » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:09 pm
by The Sandersmen » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:15 pm
Puertollano wrote:Levi Murphy - Speech to Working Families Party, New York
March 15th
To get a Green New Deal passed, we need to ban corporate donations, ban corporate lobbyists and clean out Washington D.C. Clean politics means a clean, renewable future for the many, not just for the few.
Thank you everyone for listening. I believe it is a Q&A session now, so I am open to questions anyone would like to ask."
by Puertollano » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:02 pm
The Sandersmen wrote:Puertollano wrote:Levi Murphy - Speech to Working Families Party, New York
March 15th
To get a Green New Deal passed, we need to ban corporate donations, ban corporate lobbyists and clean out Washington D.C. Clean politics means a clean, renewable future for the many, not just for the few.
Thank you everyone for listening. I believe it is a Q&A session now, so I am open to questions anyone would like to ask."
Giselle Campbell approached the stage and sat in her seat near the Senator.
"So, Senator, thank you for joining us, and for all the work you have done in your career to support working families. I have received several questions for you from partnering organizations of ours. This one comes from Trans United Fund. Many street-based workers are migrants or transgender people who have limited options in the formal economies. And so they do sex work for survival. It puts them in a very vulnerable position — the fact that it's criminalized. How will you plan to deal with sex work as President?"
by The Sandersmen » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:21 pm
Puertollano wrote:The Sandersmen wrote:
Giselle Campbell approached the stage and sat in her seat near the Senator.
"So, Senator, thank you for joining us, and for all the work you have done in your career to support working families. I have received several questions for you from partnering organizations of ours. This one comes from Trans United Fund. Many street-based workers are migrants or transgender people who have limited options in the formal economies. And so they do sex work for survival. It puts them in a very vulnerable position — the fact that it's criminalized. How will you plan to deal with sex work as President?"
"It should be abundantly clear, and it has become abundantly clear to me, that sex work should be decriminalized. In the same way that prohibition didn't work, how the current war on drugs isn't working, the prohibition of sex work just does not work, and in fact, it does more damage than it does good. What we need to do is make the sex industry regulated - to prevent the exploitation of the workers that you spoke about, and protect people from the spread of sexual-transmitted infections. We cannot stop the fact that people do sex work, but what we can do, is it least make it so that when it does occur, it is done safely with the rights of all parties upheld. Because at the end of the day, it's the poor working class communities hurt by this. It's a little radical, but it needs to be done. Sex work needs to be decriminalized, and that's my policy."
by Gordano and Lysandus » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:41 pm
FROM: [Representative Caroline Simone]
TO: [Representative Kathleen Nez], [Representative Emily Davenport], [Representative John Atang], [Representative Alejandro Nuñez], [Senator Karel Volek], [Senator James Moore], [Senator Benjamin Little], [Senator Jillian Dayton]
BCC: [Speaker Malcolm Douglas]
Dear colleagues,
I am writing this email to you all in the hopes of broaching an idea that I think is of general interest to most of the people present. Any future Democratic administration cannot be fueled entirely on opposition to Republican politics, and eventually, we will expect rifts to reopen between the moderate and progressive factions of our party. In ways, we've already seen this occurring between some members of our party. If we are going to be able to govern effectively, then we need to be able to govern as a united front and make efforts to keep our divisions cloaked from the public eye. We need to manifest structures which will enable us to work together as a party despite those divisions. The Democratic Party will not be delivered to victory if we do not appear able to govern and deliver on the promises we make to the American people.
Congressional caucuses exist for the various wings within our party - the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition being two examples of this. However, my interest is not in furthering factionalism but in ameliorating it. Thus, I'd propose the establishment of a Democratic Bicameral Unity Caucus (presumably under a more catchy title) to enable us to have mechanisms and institutions within Congress to build consensus on our shared ground and foster compromise where we differ. The Republicans have (until the recently Prendergast-Vohoffsky spat) done a very good job of maintaining their outward unity, and we should try to catch up with that regard.
I have written to you all in particular because I believe you all particularly understand the issue that I am highlighting, and I believe you all share my conviction that a stronger, united Democratic Party is necessary now more than ever if we're going to overcome the challenges ahead of us. We cannot afford to fail in 2020 - the inevitable price will be a Wolf-fueled recession which will prevent us from making any serious reforms as we'll be trapped by the same issues as Baharia - clearing up a mountain of economic chaos leftover from a previous administration's misrule.
I'll be interested to hear back from you on this proposal.
Yours sincerely,
Rep. Carrie Simone
NY-12
by Granluras » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:57 pm
Puertollano wrote:buncha ultra-progressive BS
by Puertollano » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:04 pm
The Sandersmen wrote:Puertollano wrote:
"It should be abundantly clear, and it has become abundantly clear to me, that sex work should be decriminalized. In the same way that prohibition didn't work, how the current war on drugs isn't working, the prohibition of sex work just does not work, and in fact, it does more damage than it does good. What we need to do is make the sex industry regulated - to prevent the exploitation of the workers that you spoke about, and protect people from the spread of sexual-transmitted infections. We cannot stop the fact that people do sex work, but what we can do, is it least make it so that when it does occur, it is done safely with the rights of all parties upheld. Because at the end of the day, it's the poor working class communities hurt by this. It's a little radical, but it needs to be done. Sex work needs to be decriminalized, and that's my policy."
"Senator, this one's from 350.org...you've mentioned a Green New Deal as a policy solution to the climate crisis. How do you envision the transitional period between the status quo and fossil-fuel independence? In other words, what kind of fuel are you envisioning in utilizing as part of the transition towards a renewable future.. transitional fuels like nuclear or natural gas?"
by Sarenium » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:04 am
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:FROM: [Representative Caroline Simone]
TO: [Representative Kathleen Nez], [Representative Emily Davenport], [Representative John Atang], [Representative Alejandro Nuñez], [Senator Karel Volek], [Senator James Moore], [Senator Benjamin Little], [Senator Jillian Dayton]
BCC: [Speaker Malcolm Douglas]
Dear colleagues,
I am writing this email to you all in the hopes of broaching an idea that I think is of general interest to most of the people present. Any future Democratic administration cannot be fueled entirely on opposition to Republican politics, and eventually, we will expect rifts to reopen between the moderate and progressive factions of our party. In ways, we've already seen this occurring between some members of our party. If we are going to be able to govern effectively, then we need to be able to govern as a united front and make efforts to keep our divisions cloaked from the public eye. We need to manifest structures which will enable us to work together as a party despite those divisions. The Democratic Party will not be delivered to victory if we do not appear able to govern and deliver on the promises we make to the American people.
Congressional caucuses exist for the various wings within our party - the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition being two examples of this. However, my interest is not in furthering factionalism but in ameliorating it. Thus, I'd propose the establishment of a Democratic Bicameral Unity Caucus (presumably under a more catchy title) to enable us to have mechanisms and institutions within Congress to build consensus on our shared ground and foster compromise where we differ. The Republicans have (until the recently Prendergast-Vohoffsky spat) done a very good job of maintaining their outward unity, and we should try to catch up with that regard.
I have written to you all in particular because I believe you all particularly understand the issue that I am highlighting, and I believe you all share my conviction that a stronger, united Democratic Party is necessary now more than ever if we're going to overcome the challenges ahead of us. We cannot afford to fail in 2020 - the inevitable price will be a Wolf-fueled recession which will prevent us from making any serious reforms as we'll be trapped by the same issues as Baharia - clearing up a mountain of economic chaos leftover from a previous administration's misrule.
I'll be interested to hear back from you on this proposal.
Yours sincerely,
Rep. Carrie Simone
NY-12
Dear Representative Simone,
Absolutely interested! Would it be possible for you to come past my office tomorrow morning to discuss this further?
Thanks, J
...I'd like to do you slowly...
Just another Australian.
by Gordano and Lysandus » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:30 am
Sarenium wrote:Jillian Dayton stared at her laptop as she read the email on the way home, she clicked out a hasty response;Dear Representative Simone,
Absolutely interested! Would it be possible for you to come past my office tomorrow morning to discuss this further?
Thanks, J
The next email in her inbox was a much less flattering "CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE: APRIL".
by Dentali » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:23 am
Sarenium wrote:Dentali wrote:
“I have no preference, not a big drinker honestly just trying to be courteous... my wife likes the red though” he added sitting and relaxing “whatever you’re making smells great.”
She smiled, "thank you, my eldest gifted me a cookbook for Christmas, you tell me whether that was a subtle jab at my cooking or not. In my family, red was always for celebrations, perhaps we'll save that for a future celebration where our spouses can be with us. White wine was used to mark the beginning of a journey. Either that, or my parents were too heavy of a drinking couple," she poured two glasses of white wine, sat down and looked at James, "how are things in Michigan?"
by Dentali » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 am
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:FROM: [Representative Caroline Simone]
TO: [Representative Kathleen Nez], [Representative Emily Davenport], [Representative John Atang], [Representative Alejandro Nuñez], [Senator Karel Volek], [Senator James Moore], [Senator Benjamin Little], [Senator Jillian Dayton]
BCC: [Speaker Malcolm Douglas]
Dear colleagues,
I am writing this email to you all in the hopes of broaching an idea that I think is of general interest to most of the people present. Any future Democratic administration cannot be fueled entirely on opposition to Republican politics, and eventually, we will expect rifts to reopen between the moderate and progressive factions of our party. In ways, we've already seen this occurring between some members of our party. If we are going to be able to govern effectively, then we need to be able to govern as a united front and make efforts to keep our divisions cloaked from the public eye. We need to manifest structures which will enable us to work together as a party despite those divisions. The Democratic Party will not be delivered to victory if we do not appear able to govern and deliver on the promises we make to the American people.
Congressional caucuses exist for the various wings within our party - the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition being two examples of this. However, my interest is not in furthering factionalism but in ameliorating it. Thus, I'd propose the establishment of a Democratic Bicameral Unity Caucus (presumably under a more catchy title) to enable us to have mechanisms and institutions within Congress to build consensus on our shared ground and foster compromise where we differ. The Republicans have (until the recently Prendergast-Vohoffsky spat) done a very good job of maintaining their outward unity, and we should try to catch up with that regard.
I have written to you all in particular because I believe you all particularly understand the issue that I am highlighting, and I believe you all share my conviction that a stronger, united Democratic Party is necessary now more than ever if we're going to overcome the challenges ahead of us. We cannot afford to fail in 2020 - the inevitable price will be a Wolf-fueled recession which will prevent us from making any serious reforms as we'll be trapped by the same issues as Baharia - clearing up a mountain of economic chaos leftover from a previous administration's misrule.
I'll be interested to hear back from you on this proposal.
Yours sincerely,
Rep. Carrie Simone
NY-12
TO: Rep Carrie Simone
FROM: Senator Moore
I'm open to the idea in concept but I want to see how you believe i should be implemented. I don't want to establish a litmus test for the party.
by Gordano and Lysandus » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:53 am
Dentali wrote:TO: Rep Carrie Simone
FROM: Senator Moore
I'm open to the idea in concept but I want to see how you believe i should be implemented. I don't want to establish a litmus test for the party.
FROM: [Representative Caroline Simone]
TO: [Senator James Moore]
I've no intention of it becoming a litmus test. It's about getting the Democrats ready for governing again. It'll be explicit that it's not about trying to control Democratic members of Congress, but fostering dialogue between differing viewpoints and helping us develop legislation that enjoys broad-based support. It doesn't necessarily look good for the Party where we keep churning out bills that don't quite make it over the line. Conflict resolution, resource pooling, unified messaging - I think there's plenty to gain here. I confess, I'm not a congressional grandée, I'd need guidance and advice on how to best structure such a caucus.
by Agarntrop » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:55 am
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:FROM: [Representative Caroline Simone]
TO: [Representative Kathleen Nez], [Representative Emily Davenport], [Representative John Atang], [Representative Alejandro Nuñez], [Senator Karel Volek], [Senator James Moore], [Senator Benjamin Little], [Senator Jillian Dayton]
BCC: [Speaker Malcolm Douglas]
Dear colleagues,
I am writing this email to you all in the hopes of broaching an idea that I think is of general interest to most of the people present. Any future Democratic administration cannot be fueled entirely on opposition to Republican politics, and eventually, we will expect rifts to reopen between the moderate and progressive factions of our party. In ways, we've already seen this occurring between some members of our party. If we are going to be able to govern effectively, then we need to be able to govern as a united front and make efforts to keep our divisions cloaked from the public eye. We need to manifest structures which will enable us to work together as a party despite those divisions. The Democratic Party will not be delivered to victory if we do not appear able to govern and deliver on the promises we make to the American people.
Congressional caucuses exist for the various wings within our party - the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition being two examples of this. However, my interest is not in furthering factionalism but in ameliorating it. Thus, I'd propose the establishment of a Democratic Bicameral Unity Caucus (presumably under a more catchy title) to enable us to have mechanisms and institutions within Congress to build consensus on our shared ground and foster compromise where we differ. The Republicans have (until the recently Prendergast-Vohoffsky spat) done a very good job of maintaining their outward unity, and we should try to catch up with that regard.
I have written to you all in particular because I believe you all particularly understand the issue that I am highlighting, and I believe you all share my conviction that a stronger, united Democratic Party is necessary now more than ever if we're going to overcome the challenges ahead of us. We cannot afford to fail in 2020 - the inevitable price will be a Wolf-fueled recession which will prevent us from making any serious reforms as we'll be trapped by the same issues as Baharia - clearing up a mountain of economic chaos leftover from a previous administration's misrule.
I'll be interested to hear back from you on this proposal.
Yours sincerely,
Rep. Carrie Simone
NY-12
FROM: Rep. J Atang
TO: Rep. C Simone
I would be interested in partaking in any such Congressional caucus should it come about.
by Gordano and Lysandus » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:17 am
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:04 pm
by Greater Arab State » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:18 pm
To: Representative Theodore Vohoffsky
From: House Minority Leader Thomas Volker
RE: A meeting
Representative,
I expect you to attend a meeting with me in my office imminently in order to discuss some recent developments.
Yours most respectfully,
House Minority Leader Thomas Volker
by Sarenium » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:55 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Sarenium wrote:Jillian Dayton stared at her laptop as she read the email on the way home, she clicked out a hasty response;Dear Representative Simone,
Absolutely interested! Would it be possible for you to come past my office tomorrow morning to discuss this further?
Thanks, J
The next email in her inbox was a much less flattering "CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE: APRIL".
Senator Dayton's Office, Washington, District of Columbia
Representative Simone hadn't expected to be invited to speak with Jillian Dayton but as an avid proponent of breaking America's political glass ceiling, she was glad to go. A warm smile was on her face as she made her way into the appropriate Senate office building, wearing a grey women's suit with skirt - a typically muted look on her part but she always dressed sharply and in a businesslike manner - it was part of her brand, or so she was told. The safe pair of hands. The neutral, reliable party. Giving a knock on the Senator's office door, he spoke with the secretaries and let them know she was there, and when she was finally admitted, she approached with warm enthusiasm and went to give Jillian's hand a shake. "Senator Dayton, it's a pleasure."
...I'd like to do you slowly...
Just another Australian.
by Gordano and Lysandus » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:57 pm
Sarenium wrote:"Please, call me Jillian," Dayton gestured to the couches as she and Simone both sat down, "thank you for meeting on such short notice."
by Shah Rukh Khan » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:00 pm
Dentali wrote:Shah Rukh Khan wrote:
"Interesting...I'm guessing you're aware that I have endorsed Little for the presidency, but you're bipartisan work with him does make you seem like a reliable person to cross party lines, at least in my eyes. I am interested in your positions...there are perhaps places where you could work with even the crazy democrats among us. I saw recently in one of your interviews, I think it was South Carolina, where you expressed support for an earned income tax credit expansion...do you really back that, as a fiscal conservative? Because I've been a longtime supporter of such an expansion, and I'm a cosponsor on the congressional bill that deals with that...I think Westra sponsored that if I'm not mistaken."
"Tax credits based on earned income are a conservative idea not a liberal one" Richardson said chuckling "It encourages people to participate in the workforce... yes some Conservatives think it subsidizes low wage employers instead of employees... but thats an incomplete way to look at it, the EITC isn't just a cash transfer it gets workers into formal employment and increases their market income, then the longer they are employed the more skills they develop and the more they are worth... which leads to higher wages."
"Now its not perfect, its far too complex and the weirdness can do things like make people lose benefits if they get married or other counterproductive measures, it has a big rate of improper payments... Its needs to be reformed and streamlined, first and foremost do away with the marriage penalty and removing the disincentive to earn more money. Reform should come before increasing it... but yes, in concept I want to increase it."
by Sarenium » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:01 pm
Dentali wrote:Sarenium wrote:
She smiled, "thank you, my eldest gifted me a cookbook for Christmas, you tell me whether that was a subtle jab at my cooking or not. In my family, red was always for celebrations, perhaps we'll save that for a future celebration where our spouses can be with us. White wine was used to mark the beginning of a journey. Either that, or my parents were too heavy of a drinking couple," she poured two glasses of white wine, sat down and looked at James, "how are things in Michigan?"
"Michigan's better than its been. The Flint crisis is mostly over, Detroit is better than its been in decades... we are moving forward on the minimum wage, Marijuana, paid sick leave, infrastructure, so many Republicans obstructing us got voted out in 2018 and everything is happening at once. Much like Virginia actually... I think you'll have some big wins in 2019 locally."
...I'd like to do you slowly...
Just another Australian.
by Sarenium » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:03 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Sarenium wrote:"Please, call me Jillian," Dayton gestured to the couches as she and Simone both sat down, "thank you for meeting on such short notice."
"It's no great inconvenience, Jillian." She smiled softly. "You may call me Carrie." Nodding a little and settling down into the couch, she moved her legs into her typical 'Duchess lean' manner of sitting and regarded the other curiously. "I'm assuming I'm actually here to talk about 2020."
...I'd like to do you slowly...
Just another Australian.
by Gordano and Lysandus » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:08 pm
Sarenium wrote:"We could talk about 2020," Dayton responded, "I was not joking when I said I was interested in what you envision for the future of any such Unity Caucus."
by Sarenium » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:15 pm
Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Sarenium wrote:"We could talk about 2020," Dayton responded, "I was not joking when I said I was interested in what you envision for the future of any such Unity Caucus."
"I'm used to being approached under a pretext. The purpose of the unity caucus is, to put it bluntly, to try to stop the fault lines in the Party costing us the election. Baginski's refusal to concede to Clifford and then lukewarm endorsement was poisonous. We can't have that again. Whomever our candidate is - progressive or moderate - we need to make sure that our congressional delegation is able to back them up without unduly alienating one wing of the party or the other. We must maintain the broad church, or we'll risk losing ground to one flank or the other." She shrugged gently, looking down dejectedly. "I'm getting tired of having a weekly Twitter spat with Westra. I can't believe he'd go on The Young Turks." She pinched the bridge of her nose. "You'd think someone so moral would consider the implications. I despair, truly." Pulling away from her tangent, she continued. "We need to strengthen and build up our mechanisms in the congressional party to allow Democrats across the spectrum to put forward their views and allow us to find compromise and a plan forward. That's the essence of it. Maybe one day we won't need it, maybe American politics will change, but for the time being, if we're going to win 2020, we need to find a way of holding together the coalition and avoiding bleeding people off to third parties."
...I'd like to do you slowly...
Just another Australian.
by Gordano and Lysandus » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:23 pm
Sarenium wrote:"I agree," Dayton replied, "our party's unity must be maintained. Our registered membership wants the party to drift to the left, our representatives who form the House Majority won in Republican leaning seats. I do worry that the wrong nominee in 2020 would lose even Virginia," she warned, "a number of prospective members consider themselves, myself included, as the potential nominee come 2020. Would non-aggression be something that would be binding between candidates?"
by Dentali » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:00 pm
Shah Rukh Khan wrote:Dentali wrote:
"Tax credits based on earned income are a conservative idea not a liberal one" Richardson said chuckling "It encourages people to participate in the workforce... yes some Conservatives think it subsidizes low wage employers instead of employees... but thats an incomplete way to look at it, the EITC isn't just a cash transfer it gets workers into formal employment and increases their market income, then the longer they are employed the more skills they develop and the more they are worth... which leads to higher wages."
"Now its not perfect, its far too complex and the weirdness can do things like make people lose benefits if they get married or other counterproductive measures, it has a big rate of improper payments... Its needs to be reformed and streamlined, first and foremost do away with the marriage penalty and removing the disincentive to earn more money. Reform should come before increasing it... but yes, in concept I want to increase it."
"Right." Nuñez took an awkward pause. "You did strike me as a reasonable candidate, although it would be political suicide to say so in public...how do you anticipate the Republican field to be shaping up?"
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