by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:10 pm
by Mountain Goat » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:14 pm
Shaduru wrote:People from fascist countries where not poor and most of the fascist movements improved the economy while improving the general life of the people.
by Rojava Free State » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:28 pm
Shaduru wrote:I would expect Iron Fist Consumerists to be some kind of ultra-capitalist nation that only cares about the market. Instead, I get a direct comparison to Fascism, which is based on anti-ultra-capitalism values and on the "Nation above all". People from fascist countries where not poor and most of the fascist movements improved the economy while improving the general life of the people. Yes, we had crazy dictators, but everything they did was in order to benefit (or to what they think was benefit) the Nation and its people. They were most definetly not Iron Fist Consumerists. A great example of a fascist with many anti-capitalist views would be Mosley. But on the wiki, it is explained as Fascism. Someone care to explain?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:34 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Shaduru wrote:I would expect Iron Fist Consumerists to be some kind of ultra-capitalist nation that only cares about the market. Instead, I get a direct comparison to Fascism, which is based on anti-ultra-capitalism values and on the "Nation above all". People from fascist countries where not poor and most of the fascist movements improved the economy while improving the general life of the people. Yes, we had crazy dictators, but everything they did was in order to benefit (or to what they think was benefit) the Nation and its people. They were most definetly not Iron Fist Consumerists. A great example of a fascist with many anti-capitalist views would be Mosley. But on the wiki, it is explained as Fascism. Someone care to explain?
*Laughs in Ugandan*
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:36 pm
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:39 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Shaduru wrote:I would expect Iron Fist Consumerists to be some kind of ultra-capitalist nation that only cares about the market. Instead, I get a direct comparison to Fascism, which is based on anti-ultra-capitalism values and on the "Nation above all". People from fascist countries where not poor and most of the fascist movements improved the economy while improving the general life of the people. Yes, we had crazy dictators, but everything they did was in order to benefit (or to what they think was benefit) the Nation and its people. They were most definetly not Iron Fist Consumerists. A great example of a fascist with many anti-capitalist views would be Mosley. But on the wiki, it is explained as Fascism. Someone care to explain?
*Laughs in Ugandan*
by Rojava Free State » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:42 pm
Shaduru wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
*Laughs in Ugandan*
Idi Amin was an anti-communist, but only for the first part of his regime. And I do not believe he represents any political ideology besides "Dictatorship", since what it seems that he mostly wanted was...power. Nothing else. As crude as that. And went from being anti-communist to getting supported by the USSR
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:48 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Shaduru wrote:
Idi Amin was an anti-communist, but only for the first part of his regime. And I do not believe he represents any political ideology besides "Dictatorship", since what it seems that he mostly wanted was...power. Nothing else. As crude as that. And went from being anti-communist to getting supported by the USSR
I meant to say Rwandan. sorry, I always mix those two countries up
I'm sure we all remember what happened in 1990s Rwanda
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:51 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Shaduru wrote:
Idi Amin was an anti-communist, but only for the first part of his regime. And I do not believe he represents any political ideology besides "Dictatorship", since what it seems that he mostly wanted was...power. Nothing else. As crude as that. And went from being anti-communist to getting supported by the USSR
I meant to say Rwandan. sorry, I always mix those two countries up
I'm sure we all remember what happened in 1990s Rwanda
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:57 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:58 pm
Shaduru wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
I meant to say Rwandan. sorry, I always mix those two countries up
I'm sure we all remember what happened in 1990s Rwanda
I do not know if they were fascist or not, but surely you mean THE genocide. I mean, as I said, the fascist dictators did what they believed was better for the country, not really what was better. It went the same way in Germany. What I am trying to disprove is that fascists were some kind of authoritarian capitalists.
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:00 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Shaduru wrote:
Idi Amin was an anti-communist, but only for the first part of his regime. And I do not believe he represents any political ideology besides "Dictatorship", since what it seems that he mostly wanted was...power. Nothing else. As crude as that. And went from being anti-communist to getting supported by the USSR
I meant to say Rwandan. sorry, I always mix those two countries up
I'm sure we all remember what happened in 1990s Rwanda
by Giovenith » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:01 pm
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Pinochet fits "Iron fist Consumerists"
Being authoritarian doesn’t make you a fascist though, fascism is particular kind of authoritarianism that relies on popular revolution, wealth redistribution, and representation of all major class groups, all for the good of their nation
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:04 pm
Giovenith wrote:I'm not going to lie, I thought this was going to be a rant about how people who watch Marvel's Iron Fist are somehow fascists. You know, typical internet hot take.
by Estado Novo Portugues » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:08 pm
by Genivaria » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:09 pm
Shaduru wrote:I would expect Iron Fist Consumerists to be some kind of ultra-capitalist nation that only cares about the market. Instead, I get a direct comparison to Fascism, which is based on anti-ultra-capitalism values and on the "Nation above all". People from fascist countries where not poor and most of the fascist movements improved the economy while improving the general life of the people. Yes, we had crazy dictators, but everything they did was in order to benefit (or to what they think was benefit) the Nation and its people. They were most definetly not Iron Fist Consumerists. A great example of a fascist with many anti-capitalist views would be Mosley. But on the wiki, it is explained as Fascism. Someone care to explain?
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:11 pm
Estado Novo Portugues wrote:Capitalism is an economic system and fascism is a political one—the two are not mutually exclusive. It's quite possible for a nation to be pro-business and support free markets while having authoritarian government policies.
The modern Russia and China are current examples. Their economies have been capitalist for quite a while, judging by all the foreign companies doing business there (Vladimir Putin even had a Mercedes-Benz as his state car). But their government systems are still very totalitarian—autocracy, media censorship, political prisons, suppression of protests, etc—and very much "everything in the state, nothing against the state" (a Mussolini slogan). I'd classify those two as Iron Fist Consumerists. Someone mentioned Pinochet's Chile, I would also add Franco's Spain.
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:13 pm
Genivaria wrote:Shaduru wrote:I would expect Iron Fist Consumerists to be some kind of ultra-capitalist nation that only cares about the market. Instead, I get a direct comparison to Fascism, which is based on anti-ultra-capitalism values and on the "Nation above all". People from fascist countries where not poor and most of the fascist movements improved the economy while improving the general life of the people. Yes, we had crazy dictators, but everything they did was in order to benefit (or to what they think was benefit) the Nation and its people. They were most definetly not Iron Fist Consumerists. A great example of a fascist with many anti-capitalist views would be Mosley. But on the wiki, it is explained as Fascism. Someone care to explain?
Hahahahaha! Not really no.
by Pangurstan » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:15 pm
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:16 pm
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:17 pm
Pangurstan wrote:Iron fist consumerists is medium economic freedom, so not really ultra-capitalist. It’s the basic “oppressive dictatorship” classification.
by Shaduru » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:19 pm
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Shaduru wrote:
I am talking about Germany And Italy mostly. Is there any opposition here? I need to know which fascist countries (not just dictatorships) had very poor people.
Well there are many, particularly Mobutu’s Zaire, that were poor, but they are beginning to economically boom right before they got overthrown (usually by a NATO backed group)
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:20 pm
Estado Novo Portugues wrote:Capitalism is an economic system and fascism is a political one—the two are not mutually exclusive.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:24 pm
Shaduru wrote:Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Well there are many, particularly Mobutu’s Zaire, that were poor, but they are beginning to economically boom right before they got overthrown (usually by a NATO backed group)
Can we please exclude Africa? I mean, some of the rulers that people here called "fascists" where only authoritarian and...Africa was poor either with Fascism, communism or capitalism.
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