Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVIII: Hyena Central Command 憶ラ

[Hanafuridake]

Women (and transmen) are allowed to have abortions because the fetus is growing inside of their body, which is obviously quite different from just having to pay for your living child. I'm not going to get into the nuance and ethics of abortion, but there is no comparison between having to pay child support and the health risks associated with pregnancy.

This is the first time I remember hearing that, and the idea of parents "opting out" of parentage is by far a more progressive idea than them being forced to take care of their children.

Do you even know what a baby box is Dagashi? It's where you leave your baby for the state to take no questions asked. Even assuming we go with that foolish line of thinking, we already have a mechanism for mother's to op out after the fact.

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

[North German Realm]

I thought the male-version of the pill was halted mostly due to unsavory side effects.

It was feminist pressure at the the CDC which stopped the first generation and it didn't get restarted research wise till just recently. They have been worrying about in the Guardian for 10 years.

So wait, they pressured them not to research it because "what if we want babies? men shouldn't have any agency", started the rumor of "men just didn't like the taste"... and everyone just went on with it?
Or am I reading this wrong?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Do you even know what a baby box is Dagashi? It's where you leave your baby for the state to take no questions asked. Even assuming we go with that foolish line of thinking, we already have a mechanism for mother's to op out after the fact.

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

I think that unmarried or divorced parents should only be responsible for their children if they are granted partial or full custody. It's a spit in the face to be forced to support kids who you cannot see.

[Novus America]

I thought the male-version of the pill was halted mostly due to unsavory side effects.

It was feminist pressure at the the CDC which stopped the first generation and it didn't get restarted research wise till just recently. They have been worrying about in the Guardian for 10 years.

Ah yes, postmodern feminism. All about equality and ending gender roles, except when preserving inequality and gender roles benefits women.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It was feminist pressure at the the CDC which stopped the first generation and it didn't get restarted research wise till just recently. They have been worrying about in the Guardian for 10 years.

So wait, they pressured them not to research it because "what if we want babies? men shouldn't have any agency", started the rumor of "men just didn't like the taste"... and everyone just went on with it?
Or am I reading this wrong?

That's more or less right. Feminism is a bad meme.

[Novus America]

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

I think that unmarried or divorced parents should only be responsible for their children if they are granted partial or full custody. It's a spit in the face to be forced to support kids who you cannot see.

This is a fair point.

[Hanafuridake]

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

I think that unmarried or divorced parents should only be responsible for their children if they are granted partial or full custody. It's a spit in the face to be forced to support kids who you cannot see.

Fair enough.

[Novus America]

Although I understand the concerns the fact is the “paper abortions”/opt outs would raise the birth rate.

Without single mothers our rate would be much lower than it is already.

That we rely on single mothers so much one can say is bad, but the fact is right now we need them. As much as we should encourage traditional families we cannot solely rely on them right now.

[The East Marches II]

Do you even know what a baby box is Dagashi? It's where you leave your baby for the state to take no questions asked. Even assuming we go with that foolish line of thinking, we already have a mechanism for mother's to op out after the fact.

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

In America, in most states you can leave your baby outside of a fire station without questions asked. This was done so we didn't have prom night babies in dumpsters. Using the line of reasoning, it is right that we extend that out to men also if the goal is to save lives. Unless you are against that sort of thing or against abortion.

[The East Marches II]

It was feminist pressure at the the CDC which stopped the first generation and it didn't get restarted research wise till just recently. They have been worrying about in the Guardian for 10 years.

So wait, they pressured them not to research it because "what if we want babies? men shouldn't have any agency", started the rumor of "men just didn't like the taste"... and everyone just went on with it?
Or am I reading this wrong?

Yes for the pressuring. I can't say about the liking the taste part tbh. But everyone did go along with it. They feared on the .gov side it would crater the birth rates also. Most babies are accidents. France banned contraception from a left wing perspective so they wouldn't be out numbered by the Germans back in the Third Republic. This thinking is more common than one might think. Feminists hold the current power in terms of influence. Afterall, just look how they defined rape! (A man can't be raped)

[Galloism]

It was feminist pressure at the the CDC which stopped the first generation and it didn't get restarted research wise till just recently. They have been worrying about in the Guardian for 10 years.

So wait, they pressured them not to research it because "what if we want babies? men shouldn't have any agency", started the rumor of "men just didn't like the taste"... and everyone just went on with it?
Or am I reading this wrong?

Betty Friedan actually led the chants of "No Male Pill" when it was introduced in the 1970s as a possible male pill based on a cottonseed extract.

(It turned out it had the nasty side effect of sometimes causing permanent infertility, which made most people reject it. Except the Chinese, who still use it today.)

[Diopolis]

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

In America, in most states you can leave your baby outside of a fire station without questions asked. This was done so we didn't have prom night babies in dumpsters. Using the line of reasoning, it is right that we extend that out to men also if the goal is to save lives. Unless you are against that sort of thing or against abortion.

I’m not opposed to safe haven laws- there are some parents who legitimately need them- but abortion and paper abortion should be considered infanticide.

[Galloism]

In America, in most states you can leave your baby outside of a fire station without questions asked. This was done so we didn't have prom night babies in dumpsters. Using the line of reasoning, it is right that we extend that out to men also if the goal is to save lives. Unless you are against that sort of thing or against abortion.

I’m not opposed to safe haven laws- there are some parents who legitimately need them- but abortion and paper abortion should be considered infanticide.

That's a very odd position.

Abortion is murder, and so is paper abortion but only for men (even though no one dies).

[Salus Maior]

I’m not opposed to safe haven laws- there are some parents who legitimately need them- but abortion and paper abortion should be considered infanticide.

That's a very odd position.

Abortion is murder, and so is paper abortion by only for men.

Any parent who abandons their child and family has committed a serious wrong and a great deal of harm, man or woman. I'm not for making that easier to do.

[Xuloqoia]

I mean, if we're going with hatcheries, why not slide all the way down the slippery slope? The growth vats are a wonderful tool for transhuman augmentation of the population. The children would be raised by the state, indoctrinated with massive quantities of propaganda in order to turn them into virtuous and productive citizens. It's a rather modest proposal, but it should do the trick.

/sarcasm, if you haven't figured it out yet

[Salus Maior]

And the imprisonment of murderous parents for life given that their relationship to the victim would make them prime suspects in most cases.

...and?

I mean, even if you know who the parent is (which normally isn't the case in these instances), and you are able to punish them... the kid is still dead.

Which is why you have a criminal genetics database.

[Novus America]

That's a very odd position.

Abortion is murder, and so is paper abortion by only for men.

Any parent who abandons their child and family has committed a serious wrong and a great deal of harm, man or woman. I'm not for making that easier to do.

Regardless it is not murder. You cannot commit murder without literally killing someone.

[Salus Maior]

Any parent who abandons their child and family has committed a serious wrong and a great deal of harm, man or woman. I'm not for making that easier to do.

Regardless it is not murder. You cannot commit murder without literally killing someone.

I'm not really agreeing with Dio on that.

But it is abandonment and that's also very serious.

[Diopolis]

I’m not opposed to safe haven laws- there are some parents who legitimately need them- but abortion and paper abortion should be considered infanticide.

That's a very odd position.

Abortion is murder, and so is paper abortion but only for men (even though no one dies).

The practical difference is that safe haven laws surrender the child to someone else’s custody.

[Hanafuridake]

I've never heard of the term before, but I've made clear that I think both parents ought to be responsible for their living children and not be able to choose not to support them.

In America, in most states you can leave your baby outside of a fire station without questions asked. This was done so we didn't have prom night babies in dumpsters. Using the line of reasoning, it is right that we extend that out to men also if the goal is to save lives. Unless you are against that sort of thing or against abortion.

That's completely messed up and wrong. I'm all for expanding access to welfare and birth control for mothers, but you shouldn't be able to abandon your child on a doorstep.

[Galloism]

That's a very odd position.

Abortion is murder, and so is paper abortion but only for men (even though no one dies).

The practical difference is that safe haven laws surrender the child to someone else’s custody.

So does a paper abortion.

[Hanafuridake]

:blink:

In all honesty, ban high fructose corn syrup.

Why do Americans do this? Just sweeten your foods with beetroot or sugar cane like civilised people do.

Not so long ago I bought a bottle of soda water that was imported from the USA. It was only after I noticed that my gin and tonic tasted rather too sweet that I read the contents of the bottle and saw there was corn syrup added into the water.

Apparently Americans put additives in the water.

The fucking water.

Jesus Christ. It’s shit like this that makes me think that maybe we’ll be better off under a Chinese or Russian dominated world.

People think Children of the Corn is a horror movie, but it's just a documentary about ordinary life in Iowa.

[The East Marches II]

In America, in most states you can leave your baby outside of a fire station without questions asked. This was done so we didn't have prom night babies in dumpsters. Using the line of reasoning, it is right that we extend that out to men also if the goal is to save lives. Unless you are against that sort of thing or against abortion.

That's completely messed up and wrong. I'm all for expanding access to welfare and birth control for mothers, but you shouldn't be able to abandon your child on a doorstep.

What's the difference between that and abortion then? How can you be for one and not the other? It's a logically incoherent position.

[Fahran]

What's the difference between that and abortion then? How can you be for one and not the other? It's a logically incoherent position.

Denial of the humanity of fetuses. If they have no rights, you have no moral or legal responsibility to consider their interests over your own.

[The East Marches II]

What's the difference between that and abortion then? How can you be for one and not the other? It's a logically incoherent position.

Denial of the humanity of fetuses. If they have no rights, you have no moral or legal responsibility to consider their interests over your own.

So the distinction is whether the thing left the womb. I wonder if they are fan of the now infamous 9 month abortions for mental health. If we use their logic, it's fine so long as an arbitrary legal line by the state is not crossed.