Iran vs the US Megathread

[Nazariles]

Trump`s assuring speech has created two distinct paths for the current situation: either a slow de-escalation or a prolonging of the conflict.

To be quite honest, I tilt towards the latter. The Iranian Regime and several Shiite militias in Iraq have clung to the promise of chasing the US Armed Forces out of Iraq (that will likely not happen and Trump has actually asked NATO to provide more assistance in the Middle East). So the question remains: is the Iranian regime and the Pro-Iranian Shiite militias willing to depart from their call to remove any American troops in Iraq?

The Pro-Iranian Houthis actually called this lame missile attack from the Iranians a "beginning" to something. I have a feeling that the real threat does not come from Iran itself, but it's proxies.

[Thermodolia]

It isn't if we were to declare war on them. Which, again, is moot since it doesn't seem like they're heading that way for the time being.

I believe targeting civilians unnesscearily is a war crime

Where did they say anything about civilians

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

He probably locked in the impeachment opposition and will probably get a polling boost as a result. I was always bearish on the impeachment chances and bullish on his reelection odds, and this definitely intensified those sentiments.

Yes most certainly although Trump can still fuck it up, he's been known to do that. For right now, let us be thankful a war is not coming.

Indeed, but also let us not forget a war was nearly started when Trump opened his fucking mouth.

[Zurkerx]

To be fair, he did achieve something: he put Iran on noticed that their BS won't be tolerated and Iran obliged by that for the most part.

He also showed the world he does not give a damn about sovereignty and is wiling to act in other countries with no concern of what its government wants.

When has any modern American President cared about the sovereignty of other nations? Trump is simply doing what others have done, despite him criticizing said practice as a candidate.

[Novus America]

It isn't if we were to declare war on them. Which, again, is moot since it doesn't seem like they're heading that way for the time being.

I believe targeting civilians unnesscearily is a war crime

We can massively cripple their ability to wage wars without targeting civilians.

Again we are not going to the point, but we could if we had to, and avoid an Iraq type situation by doing so.

[Thermodolia]

To be fair, he did achieve something: he put Iran on noticed that their BS won't be tolerated and Iran obliged by that for the most part.

He also showed the world he does not give a damn about sovereignty and is wiling to act in other countries with no concern of what its government wants.

Tbh that needed to be shown a long time ago

[Thermodolia]

Yes most certainly although Trump can still fuck it up, he's been known to do that. For right now, let us be thankful a war is not coming.

Indeed, but also let us not forget a war was nearly started when Trump opened his fucking mouth.

No it wasn’t

[Zurkerx]

Yes most certainly although Trump can still fuck it up, he's been known to do that. For right now, let us be thankful a war is not coming.

Indeed, but also let us not forget a war was nearly started when Trump opened his fucking mouth.

Not really. While increase escalations could have led to war, that was unlikely given Iran's current state. I do suspect the conflicts between Iran and United States, however, will remain prolong.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Indeed, but also let us not forget a war was nearly started when Trump opened his fucking mouth.

No it wasn’t

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

[Satuga]

No it wasn’t

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

Pretty sure it wouldve been then same even if Trump didnt announce his death but whatever.

[Ethel mermania]

No it wasn’t

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

The tension was created when the Iranian proxys directed by solumani attacked an american base and killed a contractor.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

Pretty sure it wouldve been then same even if Trump didnt announce his death but whatever.

No it wouldn't have. The US could have just denied killing him and Iran couldn't do anything to prove it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

The tension was created when the Iranian proxys directed by solumani attacked an american base and killed a contractor.

So you kill him and then you deny it. You don't blast it all over twitter.

[Ozizcangenattleerstopine]

Pretty sure it wouldve been then same even if Trump didnt announce his death but whatever.

No it wouldn't have. The US could have just denied killing him and Iran couldn't do anything to prove it.

Doesn't mean Iran would treat the US with smiles.

[North German Realm]

No it wasn’t

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

They started when the IR's proxies, directed by Soleimani, killed a US civilian. And later when they occupied the US Embassy in Iraq

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No it wouldn't have. The US could have just denied killing him and Iran couldn't do anything to prove it.

Doesn't mean Iran would treat the US with smiles.

No but that would be Iran being Iran. Nothing like this.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The tense situation was started when Trump announced the generals death.

Had he not done that this tension would have never happened.

They started when the IR's proxies, directed by Soleimani, killed a US civilian. And later when they occupied the US Embassy in Iraq

Again, you kill the guy who did it, then deny killing them.

[Ifreann]

You've been waging this war on terror for twenty years with no sign of it ending.

That'll happen when you let a bunch of neo-lib and neo-con jackasses run things.

You can put any label on them you want, their consistent policy of just shooting the designated baddies has gotten your nation nowhere. The same policy doesn't become clever when Trump does it. Killing Saddam didn't bring peace. Killing Bin Laden didn't bring peace. Twenty years of taking out terrorist leaders and enemy generals and foreign rulers and you're still at war, but you think that killing Soleimani was a great achievement? At best someone in Iran is getting a promotion and you'll be just as deep in the quagmire as ever before.

[Tarsonis]

At least The memes are on point

[Novus America]

That'll happen when you let a bunch of neo-lib and neo-con jackasses run things.

You can put any label on them you want, their consistent policy of just shooting the designated baddies has gotten your nation nowhere. The same policy doesn't become clever when Trump does it. Killing Saddam didn't bring peace. Killing Bin Laden didn't bring peace. Twenty years of taking out terrorist leaders and enemy generals and foreign rulers and you're still at war, but you think that killing Soleimani was a great achievement? At best someone in Iran is getting a promotion and you'll be just as deep in the quagmire as ever before.

Except we really are not that deep. US casualties are very low and rare.

But had we been more realistic, less idealistic and less soft, we could have done better is the point.

[Tarsonis]

They started when the IR's proxies, directed by Soleimani, killed a US civilian. And later when they occupied the US Embassy in Iraq

Again, you kill the guy who did it, then deny killing them.

That doesn’t send the intended message though.

[North German Realm]

They started when the IR's proxies, directed by Soleimani, killed a US civilian. And later when they occupied the US Embassy in Iraq

Again, you kill the guy who did it, then deny killing them.

Which does nothing. It has to be a show of force: If you continue your acts of terrorism in the country, this is the result. Your generals get killed like the dogs they are, and there's quite literally nothing that you can do about it that won't result in your destruction if we so will it". The IR has demonstrated, repeatedly, that it does not understand diplomacy, only shows of strength.

[Novus America]

They started when the IR's proxies, directed by Soleimani, killed a US civilian. And later when they occupied the US Embassy in Iraq

Again, you kill the guy who did it, then deny killing them.

Not good to deny it, then you look like you are scared and a liar.
If you do not want to openly claim it you refuse to say. Neither confirm nor deny.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Again, you kill the guy who did it, then deny killing them.

That doesn’t send the intended message though.

When that message could get a reply of "Iran declares war", I think it was best left unsent.

Another Iraq type war would lead to the same results as last time.

I don't want 2030-2040 to be about yet another new terrorist group that is somehow even worse then ISIS and another refugee crisis.

[Satuga]

No it wouldn't have. The US could have just denied killing him and Iran couldn't do anything to prove it.

Except that the public would clearly be able to tell who did it, especially because of where he was killed. All denying does when the public already knows who is responsible shows distrust and secrecy to the public, and while making it open made things more hostile, it certainly helps with public relations in the US considering most assassinations the US has committed weren't originally released to the public. Trump is making a clear statement when he released it, which is "This is what happens when you attack America, it's citizens, or it's allies. You get blown the fuck up." was it the right call? Considering were not going to war and that Iran is sending empty attacks I'd say yeah it was.