MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Nakena]

That's a huge "You already know this". This isn't the first time the story has come up, you are capable of acquiring and retaining information independent of me. You can't expect me or anyone else to believe that you have learned nothing about this story in the last month. You knew that he had served the custodial portion of his sentence, you knew how long he'd been in the Navy. Don't pretend that you are ignorant of the details here.

Except I have never denied any of what you just linked, I very clearly asked for evidence that he murdered an ISIS prisoner, where the fuck were you going with this? You contributed absolutely nothing of value and just further reinforced the fact that people should just stop paying attention to you.

Supposedly theres a video of it in existence.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Except I have never denied any of what you just linked, I very clearly asked for evidence that he murdered an ISIS prisoner, where the fuck were you going with this? You contributed absolutely nothing of value and just further reinforced the fact that people should just stop paying attention to you.

Supposedly theres a video of it in existence.

Actually I hope not. The case won't be retried, so all a video would achieve is to recruit for IS.

[Fahran]

Supposedly theres a video of it in existence.

Actually I hope not. The case won't be retried, so all a video would achieve is to recruit for IS.

ISIL has no problems with recruitment as is. They have good publicity with their recruits when they're brutalizing Muslims who aren't pious enough. If that won't dissuade potential recruits and in fact serves to attract them, I doubt this is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I'd be more worried about it bolstering recruitment for groups that are marginally less insane.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Actually I hope not. The case won't be retried, so all a video would achieve is to recruit for IS.

ISIL has no problems with recruitment as is. They have good publicity with their recruits when they're brutalizing Muslims who aren't pious enough. If that won't dissuade potential recruits and in fact serves to attract them, I doubt this is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I'd be more worried about it bolstering recruitment for groups that are marginally less insane.

I only used that example because the guy who died in US custody was IS.

If the medic is to be believed (and btw, I don't, it's 1 against 7, or perhaps they all lied) Gallagher inflicted non-lethal injuries on the prisoner ... that's torture ... and the discovery of video to that effect will do no good for anyone.

When I say I hope the video doesn't exist, you can take it as read I also hope the torture never happened.

[Fahran]

When I say I hope the video doesn't exist, you can take it as read I also hope the torture never happened.

I would like to believe that as well, but, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to hear about people committing atrocities in a warzone. When you've seen atrocities and begun to hate the enemy, revenge becomes a fervent desire for some, even otherwise decent people. If a video does exist and the prosecution fumbled the case that badly, I'd suspect that they did it on purpose.

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

https://apnews.com/a3c6388217bfc1a48267fbb763608316

Not only is the economy doing well, china is starting to make trade concessions. Anyone who thinks the economy is failing must be young because they missed 2008. Nothing quite like 1 out of 20 homes getting foreclosed on within a few short years.

Aye, I am relatively young at the age of 16. I don't remember 2008, I don't have a reason too. I'm just scared of what'll happen when China's economy overcomes ours. I'm scared that Russia now has a missile that can travel at 27 times the speed of sound. I'm scared of the bulls*** that's going on in our society. People can't seem to get a grip.
The only good thing that I can think of is that Betelgeuse might just go supernova hehe

[Nobel Hobos 2]

When I say I hope the video doesn't exist, you can take it as read I also hope the torture never happened.

I would like to believe that as well, but, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to hear about people committing atrocities in a warzone. When you've seen atrocities and begun to hate the enemy, revenge becomes a fervent desire for some, even otherwise decent people. If a video does exist and the prosecution fumbled the case that badly, I'd suspect that they did it on purpose.

The prosecutor was replaced for malpractice part way though, it was the second prosecutor who came up with the brilliant idea of total immunity for one of the witnesses (or all of them I dunno, I mean the medic).

I've never heard of such an "I am Spartacus" defense, a witness claiming to have committed the crime themselves to get their friend off. I think because immunity usually doesn't extend that far, only to lesser charges. Or maybe the average criminal prosecutor is not so easily tricked?

In any case, Trump shouldn't be taking either side, with such uncertainty in the actual case, utmost support for Gallagher can only mean "I believe he did it and good for him".

For the record, I don't know if Gallagher did it or not so I won't support him NOR condemn him.

[The South Falls]

When I say I hope the video doesn't exist, you can take it as read I also hope the torture never happened.

I would like to believe that as well, but, sadly, it wouldn't surprise me to hear about people committing atrocities in a warzone. When you've seen atrocities and begun to hate the enemy, revenge becomes a fervent desire for some, even otherwise decent people. If a video does exist and the prosecution fumbled the case that badly, I'd suspect that they did it on purpose.

Everyone's a killer. We've just gotta be pushed to our limits, and voila.

[Ifreann]

That's a huge "You already know this". This isn't the first time the story has come up, you are capable of acquiring and retaining information independent of me. You can't expect me or anyone else to believe that you have learned nothing about this story in the last month. You knew that he had served the custodial portion of his sentence, you knew how long he'd been in the Navy. Don't pretend that you are ignorant of the details here.

Except I have never denied any of what you just linked, I very clearly asked for evidence that he murdered an ISIS prisoner, where the fuck were you going with this? You contributed absolutely nothing of value and just further reinforced the fact that people should just stop paying attention to you.

You're obviously familiar with the story. You obviously read up on it when you learned about it in this thread. Therefore you already know about the evidence you're asking for. You're only asking for it so that you can say it doesn't count. So you can call part of a conspiracy against Gallagher, or just say that it isn't good enough because it didn't lead to a conviction. You're not trying to get new information that you can incorporate into your understanding of events.

[Gormwood]

The New York Times received a stash of documents including footage that apparently proves Gallagher is a douchebag war criminal

[Albrenia]

The New York Times received a stash of documents including footage that apparently proves Gallagher is a douchebag war criminal

Not that anyone will care, sadly. Fake news and whatnot.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

There is no double jeopardy. This isn’t a criminal trial.

Edir: Oops, thought this was about impeachment, not about Gallagher. This post will remain as a testament to my poor reading skill.

[Albrenia]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

There is no double jeopardy. This isn’t a criminal trial.

There's no double jeopardy in military cases? I did not know that, I just sort of assumed there was.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

There is no double jeopardy. This isn’t a criminal trial.

There's no double jeopardy in military cases? I did not know that, I just sort of assumed there was.

Ohh yeah, apologies, there is. I thought you were talking about impeachment.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Edir: Oops, thought this was about impeachment, not about Gallagher. This post will remain as a testament to my poor reading skill.

I'll let you live then.

I had to resort to cigars to get the subject back to impeachment before. I'll take this misunderstanding to say that indeed there's no double jeopardy I know of in impeachment/trial and the House could bring the exact same charges again.

Tho that would be silly. They'd at least change the wording.

[Albrenia]

There's no double jeopardy in military cases? I did not know that, I just sort of assumed there was.

Ohh yeah, apologies, there is. I thought you were talking about impeachment.

No worries.

[Nakena]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

How is it related to the Zimmermann case?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

How is it related to the Zimmermann case?

We seemed to have a strong case from the start, it was a racist killing for sure, but we just couldn't give it up when a court ruled otherwise. We lose every time his name comes up now.

I think Gallagher is going to be like that. We'll make a hero of him if we keep insisting (in face of the judgment) that he's actually a murderer.

[Gormwood]

How is it related to the Zimmermann case?

We seemed to have a strong case from the start, it was a racist killing for sure, but we just couldn't give it up when a court ruled otherwise. We lose every time his name comes up now.

I think Gallagher is going to be like that. We'll make a hero of him if we keep insisting (in face of the judgment) that he's actually a murderer.

A hero even if the NYT stash shows him committing war crimes?

[The East Marches II]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

tbf I thought they threw the case with how absolutely shit they were. It is just as likely they are hilariously incompetent upon further reading of the evidence and their actions after the fact.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

We seemed to have a strong case from the start, it was a racist killing for sure, but we just couldn't give it up when a court ruled otherwise. We lose every time his name comes up now.

I think Gallagher is going to be like that. We'll make a hero of him if we keep insisting (in face of the judgment) that he's actually a murderer.

A hero even if the NYT stash shows him committing war crimes?

IF
1. There is substantial evidence there
2. The military orders a retrial
3a. The President vetoes the retrial
or
3b. There is a retrial and he's found guilty
THEN
we'll make hay.

But why am I telling you? You're notorious for bringing up the Zimmerman case and you don't seem to notice that the racists and other right-wingers beat you on the facts every time.

There is such a thing as legitimate appeal to authority, and a court or court-martial is legitimate authority.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Also Double Jeopardy, there's no way he's getting tried again, and it's hard to imagine the "new" evidence wasn't available at trial.

I urge my fellow liberals to just drop this one. It's like Zimmerman all over again, we can't win.

Edit: well we can win points from Trump I guess, I'm sure we haven't heard the last from him. I mean we'll never prove Gallagher guilty (of the more serious charges) when a court has said he isn't.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Trump stripped medals from the prosecution team, supposedly for not winning the case.

tbf I thought they threw the case with how absolutely shit they were. It is just as likely they are hilariously incompetent upon further reading of the evidence and their actions after the fact.

Incompetent or corrupt, yes and that would make Trump right in his tweet.

"...and for giving immunity in a totally incompetent fashion" ... I couldn't say it better myself. Ghostwriter?

But if the prosecutor had handled the case properly, Gallagher would likely have been convicted. Isn't Trump playing for both teams a bit?

[The East Marches II]

tbf I thought they threw the case with how absolutely shit they were. It is just as likely they are hilariously incompetent upon further reading of the evidence and their actions after the fact.

Incompetent or corrupt, yes and that would make Trump right in his tweet.

"...and for giving immunity in a totally incompetent fashion" ... I couldn't say it better myself. Ghostwriter?

But if the prosecutor had handled the case properly, Gallagher would likely have been convicted. Isn't Trump playing for both teams a bit?

Playing for both sides has never stopped Mr. Trump before! As for the rest, are you perhaps part of Trump's twitter team? :^)

Edit: The defense also had a Saddam-era General testify, it helped his case alot too though not nearly so much as the top ten anime betrayals incident did. Somebody called some favors in.

[Albrenia]

A bit off topic, but have I told you I somehow find the little :^) at the end of many of your posts to be endearing and irritating in equal measure?

I mean we have actual coded Smilies, but your adherence to the Deep Magic is impressive.