Hong Kong

[Novus America]

How much money did Emperor-Chairman Xi pay you for this post?

It honestly does read like something the 50 cent army would post.

However I doubt he is being paid.

His loyalty is like one of those dogs that exhibits slavish loyalty to a master who starves and beats it. It is not a reciprocal or rational loyalty.

[Pasong Tirad]

I’ve found another great article that shows that Lam is the right leader.

President Xi Jinping praised the Chief Executive Carrie Lam on Thursday for showing courage and undertaking during their second meeting in a week. Xi met Lam and several members of her cabinet on day two of his visit to Macau.

It comes comes just three days after their talks in Beijing during the Chief Executive's duty visit.

In his latest comment, Xi said the central government fully affirms Lam's display of courage and her acceptance of her responsibilities during this extraordinary time.

He also said Beijing fully supports her work plans raised during her duty visit, and hopes every department under the SAR government will work together under her leadership to get their work done for Hong Kong.

Lam, meanwhile, thanked the President Xi for meeting her. She said she would certainly lead the government in putting an end to violence and restore order in the city.

It’s good to see the Chinese continue to support the Hong Kong government. This really does show that China doesn’t abandon its local governments in times of need. I am very touched. There is no doubt Hong Kong is in crisis but does China throw its regional government under a bus? No. Not in the least.

There really is a 2 way cooperation between regional and national government.

I think it’s something to emulate.

You are so laughably divorced from the reality of the situation that it's just sad now. This isn't infuriating, this is pitiful.

[Bombadil]

I quite like this article, in fact it's interesting how much organic commentary there is on various different platforms.. a lot of people are talking, just not the more influential people who can genuinely pressure China, but for what's at stake..

In a rare act of bravery FC Cologne have decided to pull out of a shared training camp in China saying they should not support “such a totalitarian and brutal dictatorship”. This stands in stark contrast to the cowardice of Arsenal FC when they disavowed the opinion of one its star players Mesut Özil.

Stefan Müller-Römer, a board member for FC Cologne put it bluntly.

“I understand that Germany can’t completely get by without China and that there is an exchange between the two countries but we don’t need China in sport and I stand by that.

In China human rights are being massively disregarded. A complete surveillance state is being built, one worse than even George Orwell could have imagined. I have followed developments in China for more than 20 years and I have been there several times. I know what I am talking about.”

China is always quick to retaliate in these matters, pulling an Arsenal game off the air regardless of the club’s hasty retreat and attacking Mesut Özil for his opinion, an opinion backed by UN statements on the horrifying events in Xinjiang. The NBA was similarly punished when a mere manager of the Houston Rockets tweeted his support for Hong Kong. The enormous over-reaction is designed for one thing only, to ensure people stay quiet and do not comment on what is happening in China.

Continued here..

[Infected Mushroom]

I quite like this article, in fact it's interesting how much organic commentary there is on various different platforms.. a lot of people are talking, just not the more influential people who can genuinely pressure China, but for what's at stake..

In a rare act of bravery FC Cologne have decided to pull out of a shared training camp in China saying they should not support “such a totalitarian and brutal dictatorship”. This stands in stark contrast to the cowardice of Arsenal FC when they disavowed the opinion of one its star players Mesut Özil.

Stefan Müller-Römer, a board member for FC Cologne put it bluntly.

“I understand that Germany can’t completely get by without China and that there is an exchange between the two countries but we don’t need China in sport and I stand by that.

In China human rights are being massively disregarded. A complete surveillance state is being built, one worse than even George Orwell could have imagined. I have followed developments in China for more than 20 years and I have been there several times. I know what I am talking about.”

China is always quick to retaliate in these matters, pulling an Arsenal game off the air regardless of the club’s hasty retreat and attacking Mesut Özil for his opinion, an opinion backed by UN statements on the horrifying events in Xinjiang. The NBA was similarly punished when a mere manager of the Houston Rockets tweeted his support for Hong Kong. The enormous over-reaction is designed for one thing only, to ensure people stay quiet and do not comment on what is happening in China.

Continued here..

I’m not seeing the wisdom of this business decision (I could be wrong)

Wouldn’t this cause FC Cologne a net expected loss in profits? Unless they’re counting on the PR from the act with anti-China sports fans to be worth it and sonehow cause a bounce back... seems a long shot

I’m not privy to all details but can someone who understands the industry tell me if Cologne can still profit from this play?

[Infected Mushroom]

I’ve found another great article that shows that Lam is the right leader.



It’s good to see the Chinese continue to support the Hong Kong government. This really does show that China doesn’t abandon its local governments in times of need. I am very touched. There is no doubt Hong Kong is in crisis but does China throw its regional government under a bus? No. Not in the least.

There really is a 2 way cooperation between regional and national government.

I think it’s something to emulate.

The article does not show that Lam is the right leader at all. It shows that someone praised another person. When it's Xi Jingping praising anyone, that's not a good sign. This praise shows Lam to be a puppet of China and someone who is more than happy to carry out the repressive will of the Chinese government. It's a safe bet that anyone Xi Jingping praises is only acting in the Chinese governments' best interests. I bet Lam will be happy to earn some extra social credits. It's more likely she's been given a stern talking to behind the scenes though. Xi Jingping can't project an image of disunity, because his whole spiel is about the One China Policy (read One China Policy as 'Get in Line or Else Policy')

My understanding is that if you get a measure of praise from Xi himself (the big man), you did something extraordinary and it has to count for something.

I mean he’s not easily impressed and rarely does he praise. I just thought I’d bring it up as a counterpoint to those who think Lam is poor regional governor. I mean, if a leader who represents over a billion people and one of the world’s greatest and most important economies says “you’re brave...” then you did something right

[Bombadil]

I quite like this article, in fact it's interesting how much organic commentary there is on various different platforms.. a lot of people are talking, just not the more influential people who can genuinely pressure China, but for what's at stake..

In a rare act of bravery FC Cologne have decided to pull out of a shared training camp in China saying they should not support “such a totalitarian and brutal dictatorship”. This stands in stark contrast to the cowardice of Arsenal FC when they disavowed the opinion of one its star players Mesut Özil.

Stefan Müller-Römer, a board member for FC Cologne put it bluntly.

“I understand that Germany can’t completely get by without China and that there is an exchange between the two countries but we don’t need China in sport and I stand by that.

In China human rights are being massively disregarded. A complete surveillance state is being built, one worse than even George Orwell could have imagined. I have followed developments in China for more than 20 years and I have been there several times. I know what I am talking about.”

China is always quick to retaliate in these matters, pulling an Arsenal game off the air regardless of the club’s hasty retreat and attacking Mesut Özil for his opinion, an opinion backed by UN statements on the horrifying events in Xinjiang. The NBA was similarly punished when a mere manager of the Houston Rockets tweeted his support for Hong Kong. The enormous over-reaction is designed for one thing only, to ensure people stay quiet and do not comment on what is happening in China.

Continued here..

I’m not seeing the wisdom of this business decision (I could be wrong)

Wouldn’t this cause FC Cologne a net expected loss in profits? Unless they’re counting on the PR from the act with anti-China sports fans to be worth it and sonehow cause a bounce back... seems a long shot

I’m not privy to all details but can someone who understands the industry tell me if Cologne can still profit from this play?

German football clubs are essentially owned by fans, they have a 50+1% rule, and its their fans who made this request so it's of no matter whether they lose out, and for a small club like them $1.8M is not insignificant.. but unlike you, they place decency and respect for freedom of speech and an end to repressive behaviour above mere profit.

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m not seeing the wisdom of this business decision (I could be wrong)

Wouldn’t this cause FC Cologne a net expected loss in profits? Unless they’re counting on the PR from the act with anti-China sports fans to be worth it and sonehow cause a bounce back... seems a long shot

I’m not privy to all details but can someone who understands the industry tell me if Cologne can still profit from this play?

German football clubs are essentially owned by fans, they have a 50+1% rule, and its their fans who made this request so it's of no matter whether they lose out, and for a small club like them $1.8M is not insignificant.. but unlike you, they place decency and respect for freedom of speech and an end to repressive behaviour above mere profit.

I thought football was all about profit maximization

[Bombadil]

The article does not show that Lam is the right leader at all. It shows that someone praised another person. When it's Xi Jingping praising anyone, that's not a good sign. This praise shows Lam to be a puppet of China and someone who is more than happy to carry out the repressive will of the Chinese government. It's a safe bet that anyone Xi Jingping praises is only acting in the Chinese governments' best interests. I bet Lam will be happy to earn some extra social credits. It's more likely she's been given a stern talking to behind the scenes though. Xi Jingping can't project an image of disunity, because his whole spiel is about the One China Policy (read One China Policy as 'Get in Line or Else Policy')

My understanding is that if you get a measure of praise from Xi himself (the big man), you did something extraordinary and it has to count for something.

I mean he’s not easily impressed and rarely does he praise. I just thought I’d bring it up as a counterpoint to those who think Lam is poor regional governor. I mean, if a leader who represents over a billion people and one of the world’s greatest and most important economies says “you’re brave...” then you did something right

Yes, well this is all very well except..

A leaked audio recording has emerged in which Hong Kong’s leader, Carrie Lam, can be heard saying she would quit if she had “a choice” but suggesting she was being prevented from doing so by authorities in Beijing.

In the recording, obtained by Reuters, the Hong Kong chief executive told a group of businesspeople in a closed-door meeting last week she was “very, very limited” in how her government could respond to the mass protests that began in June over a proposal to allow extradition to mainland China.

“For a chief executive to have caused this huge havoc to Hong Kong is unforgivable. If I have a choice, the first thing [I would do] is to quit, having made a deep apology,” Lam said, her voice breaking with emotion. “So I make a plea to you for your forgiveness.”

She'd resign if she had the choice, it's Xi Jinping who forces her to remain so essentially she's being courageous for.. following his orders over her own personal choice.

[Bombadil]

German football clubs are essentially owned by fans, they have a 50+1% rule, and its their fans who made this request so it's of no matter whether they lose out, and for a small club like them $1.8M is not insignificant.. but unlike you, they place decency and respect for freedom of speech and an end to repressive behaviour above mere profit.

I thought football was all about profit maximization

It's about many things, entertainment, sport, community.. and this community decided to stand up for its values.

More businesses should be doing the same.

[Novus America]

German football clubs are essentially owned by fans, they have a 50+1% rule, and its their fans who made this request so it's of no matter whether they lose out, and for a small club like them $1.8M is not insignificant.. but unlike you, they place decency and respect for freedom of speech and an end to repressive behaviour above mere profit.

I thought football was all about profit maximization

It is not. At least to many people.

[Pasong Tirad]

German football clubs are essentially owned by fans, they have a 50+1% rule, and its their fans who made this request so it's of no matter whether they lose out, and for a small club like them $1.8M is not insignificant.. but unlike you, they place decency and respect for freedom of speech and an end to repressive behaviour above mere profit.

I thought football was all about profit maximization

Fuck entertaining people I suppose

[Novus America]

The article does not show that Lam is the right leader at all. It shows that someone praised another person. When it's Xi Jingping praising anyone, that's not a good sign. This praise shows Lam to be a puppet of China and someone who is more than happy to carry out the repressive will of the Chinese government. It's a safe bet that anyone Xi Jingping praises is only acting in the Chinese governments' best interests. I bet Lam will be happy to earn some extra social credits. It's more likely she's been given a stern talking to behind the scenes though. Xi Jingping can't project an image of disunity, because his whole spiel is about the One China Policy (read One China Policy as 'Get in Line or Else Policy')

My understanding is that if you get a measure of praise from Xi himself (the big man), you did something extraordinary and it has to count for something.

I mean he’s not easily impressed and rarely does he praise. I just thought I’d bring it up as a counterpoint to those who think Lam is poor regional governor. I mean, if a leader who represents over a billion people and one of the world’s greatest and most important economies says “you’re brave...” then you did something right

Just because a brutal dictator who is powerful praises you does not mean you have merit to anyone besides said dictator.

[Infected Mushroom]

My understanding is that if you get a measure of praise from Xi himself (the big man), you did something extraordinary and it has to count for something.

I mean he’s not easily impressed and rarely does he praise. I just thought I’d bring it up as a counterpoint to those who think Lam is poor regional governor. I mean, if a leader who represents over a billion people and one of the world’s greatest and most important economies says “you’re brave...” then you did something right

Yes, well this is all very well except..

A leaked audio recording has emerged in which Hong Kong’s leader, Carrie Lam, can be heard saying she would quit if she had “a choice” but suggesting she was being prevented from doing so by authorities in Beijing.

In the recording, obtained by Reuters, the Hong Kong chief executive told a group of businesspeople in a closed-door meeting last week she was “very, very limited” in how her government could respond to the mass protests that began in June over a proposal to allow extradition to mainland China.

“For a chief executive to have caused this huge havoc to Hong Kong is unforgivable. If I have a choice, the first thing [I would do] is to quit, having made a deep apology,” Lam said, her voice breaking with emotion. “So I make a plea to you for your forgiveness.”

She'd resign if she had the choice, it's Xi Jinping who forces her to remain so essentially she's being courageous for.. following his orders over her own personal choice.

We all waver in our convictions and have moments of self doubt. But what matters ultimately is what we end up choosing to do.

If anything, this shows that there is humanity in Lam. She’s someone who faced a challenge (the threat of a protest/revolution), had doubts and fears... but chose to face these down and ultimately stay loyal to her government.

And in light of the overwhelming challenges... she’s managed to keep HK’s economy steady, every government service is still running, and the protests have been getting less violent. She even reacted to the Pro Dem symbolic electoral win with grace, in a way turning a potential PR disaster into something salvageable.

I think this makes her more worthy of praise. I look at results and long term conduct. If anything the tape shows that she cares about the people and the honor of the office of the CE.

[Bombadil]

But what matters ultimately is what we end up choosing to do.

..except she didn't choose.

[Infected Mushroom]

But what matters ultimately is what we end up choosing to do.

..except she didn't choose.

There’s nothing preventing her from quietly flying to the USA/UK, and then start trash talking the PRC for instance.

This would have caused a collapse in confidence.

...

Instead, she understands she has a role to play for the HK SAR and for China.

[Infected Mushroom]

My understanding is that if you get a measure of praise from Xi himself (the big man), you did something extraordinary and it has to count for something.

I mean he’s not easily impressed and rarely does he praise. I just thought I’d bring it up as a counterpoint to those who think Lam is poor regional governor. I mean, if a leader who represents over a billion people and one of the world’s greatest and most important economies says “you’re brave...” then you did something right

Just because a brutal dictator who is powerful praises you does not mean you have merit to anyone besides said dictator.

My understanding is that when Xi said this, he wasn’t just speaking for himself but also sharing the point of view of the Chinese people.

[Novus America]

..except she didn't choose.

There’s nothing preventing her from quietly flying to the USA/UK, and then start trash talking the PRC for instance.

This would have caused a collapse in confidence.

...

Instead, she understands she has a role to play for the HK SAR and for China.

There is. Besides money and power, her children are in Beijing.
Your assumption that she does it out of genuine loyalty to Xi (and as we have explained loyalty is not necessarily always a virtue) and not greed and fear is quite a massive assumption to make.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Just because a brutal dictator who is powerful praises you does not mean you have merit to anyone besides said dictator.

My understanding is that when Xi said this, he wasn’t just speaking for himself but also sharing the point of view of the Chinese people.

Lol. You assume the Emperor-Chairman speaks for his peasant subjects? Have you not studied Chinese history at all?

[Bombadil]

..except she didn't choose.

There’s nothing preventing her from quietly flying to the USA/UK, and then start trash talking the PRC for instance.

This would have caused a collapse in confidence.

...

Instead, she understands she has a role to play for the HK SAR and for China.

I believe her son works in Beijing, I believe to be CE you need a family member in Beijing so they have leverage.

[Victoriala II]

where the fuck my angry gasmasked frontliner kung fu movie golden harvest my body fucking NEEDS it

[Novus America]

Just because a brutal dictator who is powerful praises you does not mean you have merit to anyone besides said dictator.

My understanding is that when Xi said this, he wasn’t just speaking for himself but also sharing the point of view of the Chinese people.

And what do you make that assumption on? He is not elected by the people, and clearly the Chinese people in Taiwan would say otherwise.

Just because you a rule a people with an iron fist does not mean they freely share your views.

[Infected Mushroom]

There’s nothing preventing her from quietly flying to the USA/UK, and then start trash talking the PRC for instance.

This would have caused a collapse in confidence.

...

Instead, she understands she has a role to play for the HK SAR and for China.

There is. Besides money and power, her children are in Beijing.
Your assumption that she does it out of genuine loyalty to Xi (and as we have explained loyalty is not necessarily always a virtue) and not greed and fear is quite a massive assumption to make.

And this shows that she’s in a place where she can consider both the interests of Hong Kong and Beijing since her family has seen both worlds. She has a point of view that other leaders may not be able to bring.

And she’s been utilizing that to tackle the HK problem in a way that, though at times may be unpopular, has overall been successful.

Consider this:

1. HK’s economy is still going strong
2. The social unrest has (relatively speaking) been going down
3. Recently, she’s focused a lot on bringing more welfare and social programs to help people weather this crisis
4. The rule of law has been maintained. Instead of using mass arrest, only the most violent protestors are arrested. Hence safeguarding confidence in HK’s rights (while at the same time, still lowering riot incidence).

Generally all good things

[Victoriala II]

hey you know how 50 cent posters in the mainland get their houses demolished by the government even though they lick the ccp's rectal lining clean

[Novus America]

There is. Besides money and power, her children are in Beijing.
Your assumption that she does it out of genuine loyalty to Xi (and as we have explained loyalty is not necessarily always a virtue) and not greed and fear is quite a massive assumption to make.

And this shows that she’s in a place where she can consider both the interests of Hong Kong and Beijing since her family has seen both worlds. She has a point of view that other leaders may not be able to bring.

And she’s been utilizing that to tackle the HK problem in a way that, though at times may be unpopular, has overall been successful.

Consider this:

1. HK’s economy is still going strong
2. The social unrest has (relatively speaking) been going down
3. Recently, she’s focused a lot on bringing more welfare and social programs to help people weather this crisis
4. The rule of law has been maintained. Instead of using mass arrest, only the most violent protestors are arrested. Hence safeguarding confidence in HK’s rights (while at the same time, still lowering riot incidence).

Generally all good things

It means her child is effectively a hostage.

Also this is the same defense made on behalf of all collaborators. That they kept stability and the occupying power happy.

Also this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.c ... governance
Her poor leadership is hurting the economy which is in recession.

[Infected Mushroom]

And this shows that she’s in a place where she can consider both the interests of Hong Kong and Beijing since her family has seen both worlds. She has a point of view that other leaders may not be able to bring.

And she’s been utilizing that to tackle the HK problem in a way that, though at times may be unpopular, has overall been successful.

Consider this:

1. HK’s economy is still going strong
2. The social unrest has (relatively speaking) been going down
3. Recently, she’s focused a lot on bringing more welfare and social programs to help people weather this crisis
4. The rule of law has been maintained. Instead of using mass arrest, only the most violent protestors are arrested. Hence safeguarding confidence in HK’s rights (while at the same time, still lowering riot incidence).

Generally all good things

It means her child is effectively a hostage.

Also this is the same defense made on behalf of all collaborators. That they kept stability and the occupying power happy.

There’s no collaboration. Hong Kong is Chinese.