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Where Should We Resettle Refugees?

The Midwest
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The East
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5%
The Southern States
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8%
The West
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We Shouldn't Resettle Refugees
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:54 pm

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Thyrgga wrote:
Which is exactly his point. Those people got marginalized by the other group.

And you missed the irony of someone calling for a nation founded on the displacement of aboriginal people to bar settlement of foreigners out of an unrealistic and probably racist fear of displacement.


There is no irony in not wanting history to repeat itself. As for displacement, San Lumen is constantly cheering how much more diverse we get. Emulating the natives even if you did the conquests is dumb. You get no moral points for being weak and pathetic. There is no hypocrisy in taking and not wanting to be taken from in turn. It's merely the reality of the world. If you don't defend it or fight hard enough, you end up a slave to another.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:55 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Well, yes. The problem we have is similar yet also different. The threat that you mentioned, perhaps come from the recent ones that have yet to be integrated into society. Meanwhile.....mine comes from certain parts of the native population, because of certain foreign influence. That's why I think, while others may not agree, certain values such as equal respect to each other may have been taught to kids.


Whats wrong with natives?


What's wrong with them is that the government can't pick and choose, the way government can with refugees. Even the worst criminal record, criminal association rather than lawful involvement in society, and even the worst work and welfare record does not entitle government to push them across the border and shut the door.
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Postby The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Cekoviu wrote:On what basis do thou make this judgment?

Importing foreign workers is bad for the workers already there. It drives down wages and takes away jobs. Not to mention the potential problems– which are contingent on the country of origin of the refugees and the country to which they are being resettled– of irreconcilable cross-cultural differences, which could increase crime, terrorism, violence, need I go on?
Gormwood wrote:the irony of someone calling for a nation founded on the displacement of aboriginal people to bar settlement of foreigners out of an unrealistic and probably racist fear of displacement.

The East Marches perfectly described my position on this completely irrelevant point.

I car not for the past, nor for atoning the supposed crimes of my ancestors. I merely look to securing the best possible future for my people.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:45 pm

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:On what basis do thou make this judgment?

Importing foreign workers is bad for the workers already there. It drives down wages and takes away jobs.

In turn decreasing production and consumer-end costs, adding more taxes to the pool and allowing greater welfare allocation, and providing further openings through the additional product input resulting from their labor, which on the whole decreases the problems associated with joblessness; of course, this hinges on appropriate economic policy and not bringing in too many or too few. It's conservative, miserly economic policies that cause an appropriately-sized influx of immigrants (including refugees) to have significant negative effects on previously present workers rather than an inherent problem with immigration, I would argue.
Not to mention the potential problems– which are contingent on the country of origin of the refugees and the country to which they are being resettled– of irreconcilable cross-cultural differences, which could increase crime, terrorism, violence, need I go on?

I challenge thee to find a permanently irreconcilable cultural difference resulting in the effects thou postulate here.
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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:46 pm

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:On what basis do thou make this judgment?

Importing foreign workers is bad for the workers already there. It drives down wages and takes away jobs. Not to mention the potential problems– which are contingent on the country of origin of the refugees and the country to which they are being resettled– of irreconcilable cross-cultural differences, which could increase crime, terrorism, violence, need I go on?
Gormwood wrote:the irony of someone calling for a nation founded on the displacement of aboriginal people to bar settlement of foreigners out of an unrealistic and probably racist fear of displacement.

The East Marches perfectly described my position on this completely irrelevant point.

I car not for the past, nor for atoning the supposed crimes of my ancestors. I merely look to securing the best possible future for my people.

That's more than 14 words.
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Postby Cantelo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:52 pm

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:On what basis do thou make this judgment?

Importing foreign workers is bad for the workers already there. It drives down wages and takes away jobs. Not to mention the potential problems– which are contingent on the country of origin of the refugees and the country to which they are being resettled– of irreconcilable cross-cultural differences, which could increase crime, terrorism, violence, need I go on?
Gormwood wrote:the irony of someone calling for a nation founded on the displacement of aboriginal people to bar settlement of foreigners out of an unrealistic and probably racist fear of displacement.

The East Marches perfectly described my position on this completely irrelevant point.

I car not for the past, nor for atoning the supposed crimes of my ancestors. I merely look to securing the best possible future for my people.


You could’ve saved yourself the trouble and just said “14/88” because holy shit, that “future for my people” rhetoric is the most thinly veiled white nationalist argument I’ve seen on here. It tells me all I need to know about your character/beliefs to be honest, and frankly makes any sort of debate with you utterly worthless. White nationalists do not deserve to be heard or given a platform to spread their disgusting views.
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Yirophia
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Postby Yirophia » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:56 pm

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

Ah yes, it's well known that having literally twice the money you would have otherwise is very detrimental to anyone and everyone.
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:22 pm

Cantelo wrote:
The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:Importing foreign workers is bad for the workers already there. It drives down wages and takes away jobs. Not to mention the potential problems– which are contingent on the country of origin of the refugees and the country to which they are being resettled– of irreconcilable cross-cultural differences, which could increase crime, terrorism, violence, need I go on?

The East Marches perfectly described my position on this completely irrelevant point.

I car not for the past, nor for atoning the supposed crimes of my ancestors. I merely look to securing the best possible future for my people.


You could’ve saved yourself the trouble and just said “14/88” because holy shit, that “future for my people” rhetoric is the most thinly veiled white nationalist argument I’ve seen on here. It tells me all I need to know about your character/beliefs to be honest, and frankly makes any sort of debate with you utterly worthless. White nationalists do not deserve to be heard or given a platform to spread their disgusting views.


Actually they do deserve a platform after all this bullshit anti-white propaganda thats been thrown around, and if they are the only ones willing to speak up about it then fuck it.


You do not even know what the fuck white nationalism is, and i can tell you this, its not nazism.

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
You could’ve saved yourself the trouble and just said “14/88” because holy shit, that “future for my people” rhetoric is the most thinly veiled white nationalist argument I’ve seen on here. It tells me all I need to know about your character/beliefs to be honest, and frankly makes any sort of debate with you utterly worthless. White nationalists do not deserve to be heard or given a platform to spread their disgusting views.


Actually they do deserve a platform after all this bullshit anti-white propaganda thats been thrown around, and if they are the only ones willing to speak up about it then fuck it.

It's always fascinating to make contact with people from different universes. Please tell me more about how the world works there!
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:27 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:
Actually they do deserve a platform after all this bullshit anti-white propaganda thats been thrown around, and if they are the only ones willing to speak up about it then fuck it.

It's always fascinating to make contact with people from different universes. Please tell me more about how the world works there!


The world isnt the leftist online bubble you live in, some day you will learn this.
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Postby Yirophia » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:32 pm

Pannerstone wrote:white nationalism is [...] not nazism.


Ooh, that's a good one, really split my sides. Tell me the one about the mustachioed gentleman who apparently did nothing wrong again.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:33 pm

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

I will remind you that America was founded by immigrants.

When you say native peoples who are you referring to? What is the definition of an American
?

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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:34 pm

Yirophia wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:white nationalism is [...] not nazism.


Ooh, that's a good one, really split my sides. Tell me the one about the mustachioed gentleman who apparently did nothing wrong again.


Many white nationalists want something akin to Japan, others to a lesser degree

Its not national socialist

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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:They should be resettled in their own country.

The state's purpose should be to serve its own people, not a foreign people. Taking in refugees is, in fact, a detriment to the native people, and thus the state should not do so.

I will remind you that America was founded by immigrants.

When you say native peoples who are you referring to? What is the definition of an American
?


Whats a europeon but distant Roman?

Whats a native american but a crosser of asia?

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:38 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Yirophia wrote:
Ooh, that's a good one, really split my sides. Tell me the one about the mustachioed gentleman who apparently did nothing wrong again.


Many white nationalists want something akin to Japan, others to a lesser degree

Its not national socialist

And Japan is facing a population decline that they may have to bring in migrants. And in before some Handmaid's Tale Taliban grade batshit proposal about banning women from education and work so they can squirt out babies to boost the population.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:40 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It's always fascinating to make contact with people from different universes. Please tell me more about how the world works there!


The world isnt the leftist online bubble you live in, some day you will learn this.

Can you give me some examples of websites in the leftist online bubble that I allegedly live in?
Pannerstone wrote:
Yirophia wrote:
Ooh, that's a good one, really split my sides. Tell me the one about the mustachioed gentleman who apparently did nothing wrong again.


Many white nationalists want something akin to Japan, others to a lesser degree

Its not national socialist

I love how Nazis who have never been to and don't at all understand Japan idolize it. Really betrays the naïveté and idealism inherent to the ideology.
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:40 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:
Many white nationalists want something akin to Japan, others to a lesser degree

Its not national socialist

And Japan is facing a population decline that they may have to bring in migrants. And in before some Handmaid's Tale Taliban grade batshit proposal about banning women from education and work so they can squirt out babies to boost the population.


They dont have to bring in shit.

Population decline happens, it waxes and wains

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I will remind you that America was founded by immigrants.

When you say native peoples who are you referring to? What is the definition of an American
?


Whats a europeon but distant Roman?

Whats a native american but a crosser of asia?

What's this but a series of inane, yet seemingly thoughtful, questions?
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Postby Cantelo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:42 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
You could’ve saved yourself the trouble and just said “14/88” because holy shit, that “future for my people” rhetoric is the most thinly veiled white nationalist argument I’ve seen on here. It tells me all I need to know about your character/beliefs to be honest, and frankly makes any sort of debate with you utterly worthless. White nationalists do not deserve to be heard or given a platform to spread their disgusting views.


Actually they do deserve a platform after all this bullshit anti-white propaganda thats been thrown around, and if they are the only ones willing to speak up about it then fuck it.


You do not even know what the fuck white nationalism is, and i can tell you this, its not nazism.


Christ on a stick, it’s unironic advocacy for white nationalism.

No. Just, no. You’re not worth talking to or debating; the only response a white nationalist deserves is a Dresden-style beatdown. As a great band once sang, Nazi punks fuck off.
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:46 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:
Actually they do deserve a platform after all this bullshit anti-white propaganda thats been thrown around, and if they are the only ones willing to speak up about it then fuck it.


You do not even know what the fuck white nationalism is, and i can tell you this, its not nazism.


Christ on a stick, it’s unironic advocacy for white nationalism.

No. Just, no. You’re not worth talking to or debating; the only response a white nationalist deserves is a Dresden-style beatdown. As a great band once sang, Nazi punks fuck off.


Its called understanding other movements

Something you apparently cant do without breaking down and making stupid and childish threats.

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Postby Cantelo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:49 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
Christ on a stick, it’s unironic advocacy for white nationalism.

No. Just, no. You’re not worth talking to or debating; the only response a white nationalist deserves is a Dresden-style beatdown. As a great band once sang, Nazi punks fuck off.


Its called understanding other movements

Something you apparently cant do without breaking down and making stupid and childish threats.


No, there is no place for a white ethnostate pure and simple; not in the Americas, not in Europe or Africa, not anywhere. White nationalism is a pathetic excuse for racist sentiment by using the veil of “white people matter too” and pretending as though white people are an oppressed group in Western societies, which they are not. The denial of this is just feeding into conspiracy theories such as white genocide, which does not exist and is merely a Neo-Nazi talking point. There is never a time where talking about this subject matter is not directly connected with the idea of white supremacy.
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:
Its called understanding other movements

Something you apparently cant do without breaking down and making stupid and childish threats.


No, there is no place for a white ethnostate pure and simple; not in the Americas, not in Europe or Africa, not anywhere. White nationalism is a pathetic excuse for racist sentiment by using the veil of “white people matter too” and pretending as though white people are an oppressed group in Western societies, which they are not. The denial of this is just feeding into conspiracy theories such as white genocide, which does not exist and is merely a Neo-Nazi talking point. There is never a time where talking about this subject matter is not directly connected with the idea of white supremacy.


I thought you were done talking or are you going to keep complaining about things you know nothing about?

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:57 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
No, there is no place for a white ethnostate pure and simple; not in the Americas, not in Europe or Africa, not anywhere. White nationalism is a pathetic excuse for racist sentiment by using the veil of “white people matter too” and pretending as though white people are an oppressed group in Western societies, which they are not. The denial of this is just feeding into conspiracy theories such as white genocide, which does not exist and is merely a Neo-Nazi talking point. There is never a time where talking about this subject matter is not directly connected with the idea of white supremacy.


I thought you were done talking or are you going to keep complaining about things you know nothing about?

Oh man, this is rich.
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Postby Pannerstone » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:58 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:
I thought you were done talking or are you going to keep complaining about things you know nothing about?

Oh man, this is rich.


Nothing is as rich and sweet and listening to a leftist pretend to be tough and threaten people online

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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:58 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:
Many white nationalists want something akin to Japan, others to a lesser degree

Its not national socialist

And Japan is facing a population decline that they may have to bring in migrants. And in before some Handmaid's Tale Taliban grade batshit proposal about banning women from education and work so they can squirt out babies to boost the population.


I have some small satisfaction in that people with more liberal leanings don't breed. The people who will be left will probably be the ones you need to import to make up for population shortfall, those with decidedly less friendly views towards feminism. It is ultimately a self-resolving problem :^)
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