Banning criticism of the Israeli government's policies is supporting civil rights now. I guess the fascists are right when they say we live in a clown world.
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by Wallenburg » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:58 pm
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:41 am
Gravlen wrote:In lighter news, it's a good day for Trump as he, today, have paid the $2 million in damages he was required to pay after admitting to misusing money in a charity he controlled. The President of the United States is still not allowed to run a charity, however, and has to seek permission from the courts if he ever wishes to do so again.
Trump 2020!
by The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:05 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Gravlen wrote:In lighter news, it's a good day for Trump as he, today, have paid the $2 million in damages he was required to pay after admitting to misusing money in a charity he controlled. The President of the United States is still not allowed to run a charity, however, and has to seek permission from the courts if he ever wishes to do so again.
Trump 2020!
This is some kind of farce.
“Vote for me. I am legally not allowed to run a charity without court approval, but I’ll take care of the country!”
Be honest: how is Trump any better than Joe Exotic?
by New Bremerton » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:38 am
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:42 am
New Bremerton wrote:As I wrote on a different thread, leftists only care about "muh free speech" when it's them being accused of antisemitism. Now they stamp their feet and cry foul. Too late. They reap what they sow. Trump did the right thing in issuing this Executive Order.
by New Bremerton » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:19 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:New Bremerton wrote:As I wrote on a different thread, leftists only care about "muh free speech" when it's them being accused of antisemitism. Now they stamp their feet and cry foul. Too late. They reap what they sow. Trump did the right thing in issuing this Executive Order.
As opposed to you, selectively not caring about freedom of speech when it is the people you don’t agree with being trampled under the jackboot.
Boycotting Israel is not antisemitic.
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:48 am
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:50 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Boycotting Israel is not antisemitic.
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:18 am
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:22 am
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:29 am
New Bremerton wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:As opposed to you, selectively not caring about freedom of speech when it is the people you don’t agree with being trampled under the jackboot.
Boycotting Israel is not antisemitic.
Lying about what I said doesn't change the truth. No one's being trampled under your hypothetical jackboot.
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:34 am
Vassenor wrote:So what antisemitism is actually being covered?
by Proctopeo » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:39 am
Fahran wrote:The basic complaint here, when people say the definition is too sweeping, is that they'll get penalized for using dog whistles. And I really don't care.
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:47 am
Proctopeo wrote:This is what confuses me; most of the people opposing this move are the type who should support penalizing people for using dog whistles (at least by my observations).
I should note that I don't really care either way about this move by the administration, being neither Jewish nor Anti-Semitic.
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:47 am
Fahran wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Define "a lot". In percentages. With a survey of some kind and not "you see" etc.
You can't attend an event hosted by an Anti-Zionist organization without discovering, at the very least, a substantial plurality of people, even in the most civilized of settings, who harbor resentments and negative attitudes towards Jewish people on the whole. In the case of Palestine, about 93% of the population has Antisemitic attitudes and Palestinians are the driving force behind BDS, a movement originated by Palestinians. So, if I had to guess in the absence of research, I'd say between 70% and 80% of Anti-Zionists are Anti-Semites globally. And, again, the majority of them are willing to abide dog whistles and explicitly Antisemitic speakers even if they themselves aren't Anti-Semites.
Source.
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:54 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Aw, did you try to sneak in numbers from people in Palestine during a conversation about American students? Aren't you adorable.
by New Bremerton » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:55 am
Fahran wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Define "a lot". In percentages. With a survey of some kind and not "you see" etc.
You can't attend an event hosted by an Anti-Zionist organization without discovering, at the very least, a substantial plurality of people, even in the most civilized of settings, who harbor resentments and negative attitudes towards Jewish people on the whole. In the case of Palestine, about 93% of the population has Antisemitic attitudes and Palestinians are the driving force behind BDS, a movement originated by Palestinians. So, if I had to guess in the absence of research, I'd say between 70% and 80% of Anti-Zionists are Anti-Semites globally. And, again, the majority of them are willing to abide dog whistles and explicitly Antisemitic speakers even if they themselves aren't Anti-Semites.
Source.
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:00 am
New Bremerton wrote:The source you just gave is exactly why Palestinians don't deserve a state and might as well clear off to Jordan en masse. It's precisely why there is no peace between Israelis and Palestinians today.
by Gormwood » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:01 am
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:06 am
Gormwood wrote:I like this "because there may be a few Jew haters in BDS the entire thing needs to be censored and shut down" argument.
by Gravlen » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:16 am
Fahran wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote:Define "a lot". In percentages. With a survey of some kind and not "you see" etc.
You can't attend an event hosted by an Anti-Zionist organization without discovering, at the very least, a substantial plurality of people, even in the most civilized of settings, who harbor resentments and negative attitudes towards Jewish people on the whole. In the case of Palestine, about 93% of the population has Antisemitic attitudes and Palestinians are the driving force behind BDS, a movement originated by Palestinians. So, if I had to guess in the absence of research, I'd say between 70% and 80% of Anti-Zionists are Anti-Semites globally. And, again, the majority of them are willing to abide dog whistles and explicitly Antisemitic speakers even if they themselves aren't Anti-Semites.
Source.
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:18 am
New Bremerton wrote:Fahran wrote:You can't attend an event hosted by an Anti-Zionist organization without discovering, at the very least, a substantial plurality of people, even in the most civilized of settings, who harbor resentments and negative attitudes towards Jewish people on the whole. In the case of Palestine, about 93% of the population has Antisemitic attitudes and Palestinians are the driving force behind BDS, a movement originated by Palestinians. So, if I had to guess in the absence of research, I'd say between 70% and 80% of Anti-Zionists are Anti-Semites globally. And, again, the majority of them are willing to abide dog whistles and explicitly Antisemitic speakers even if they themselves aren't Anti-Semites.
Source.
B-but it's not antisemitic to associate with people who harbor antisemitic attitudes! /s
People aren't stupid.
The source you just gave is exactly why Palestinians don't deserve a state and might as well clear off to Jordan en masse. It's precisely why there is no peace between Israelis and Palestinians today.
Similarly damning percentages can be found in other Arab and Muslim-majority countries, including, I'm ashamed to say, my home country Malaysia, where the figure stands at 50% last I checked, and the figure is only that low because of the large percentage of non-Muslim Indians and Chinese like myself who don't hate Jews or Israel.
This bigotry is what the Left implicitly defends, and the correlation between a rise in anti-Zionism and a rise in antisemitic discrimination and hate crimes committed by leftists and Muslims on Western college campuses simply cannot be ignored.
The EO doesn't censor free speech or outlaw criticism of Israel, as some leftists disingenuously claim. Trump is at least doing the right thing by cracking down on this vile and toxic behavior toward Jewish students just going about their daily lives, even if his motives for doing so are questionable. Leftist hypocrisy and double standards be damned.
by Fahran » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:21 am
Gravlen wrote:I think the point of the question was that nobody cares about your unresearched speculation.
You could have saved a lot of typing by just saying "I'm just guessing" instead.
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:23 am
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