Should the US (with UN aid) invade China?

[Totally Not OEP]

I wanna invade just to destroy an opponent, nothing personal.

[Grenartia]

But what about trade wars

If the US government apparatus was fully behind Trump, we'd kick China's ass in a trade war and bring about a new Century of Humiliation for them. But alas, he is fighting with both hands tied behind his back.

Oh, you're one of those "Trump is a 4D Chessmaster" types.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If the US government apparatus was fully behind Trump, we'd kick China's ass in a trade war and bring about a new Century of Humiliation for them. But alas, he is fighting with both hands tied behind his back.

Oh, you're one of those "Trump is a 4D Chessmaster" types.

That's not even remotely what he said.

[Grenartia]

Oh, you're one of those "Trump is a 4D Chessmaster" types.

That's not even remotely what he said.

It was implied.

[Bear Stearns]

If the US government apparatus was fully behind Trump, we'd kick China's ass in a trade war and bring about a new Century of Humiliation for them. But alas, he is fighting with both hands tied behind his back.

Oh, you're one of those "Trump is a 4D Chessmaster" types.

I am not...Trump shoots himself in the foot on a daily basis. I'm saying that if the US government was 100% on board and not beholden to free-trade oriented special interest groups, we'd dominate China in a trade war.

[Totally Not OEP]

That's not even remotely what he said.

It was implied.

You'd have to be blind to believe that.

[Grenartia]

Oh, you're one of those "Trump is a 4D Chessmaster" types.

I am not...Trump shoots himself in the foot on a daily basis.

Alright, I was wrong. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

I'm saying that if the US government was 100% on board and not beholden to free-trade oriented special interest groups, we'd dominate China in a trade war.

Except trade wars aren't good, particularly when the warring parties have each other by the balls.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I wanna invade just to destroy an opponent, nothing personal.

"We did it nsg! We destroyed China!"
*entire world is on fire from a nuclear war*

[Totally Not OEP]

I wanna invade just to destroy an opponent, nothing personal.

"We did it nsg! We destroyed China!"
*entire world is on fire from a nuclear war*

They lack the ability to engage in and win strategic nuclear warfare. With that said, however, I'm not afraid to lose San Francisco or Chicago, to be honest. Removing the largest extant threat to the United States in the modern area is worth the cost; the USSR, afterall, lost 30 million to defeat the Reich.

[Bear Stearns]

I'm saying that if the US government was 100% on board and not beholden to free-trade oriented special interest groups, we'd dominate China in a trade war.

Except trade wars aren't good, particularly when the warring parties have each other by the balls.

China's been waging a trade war against us since the early 1990s. Either they stop their shit or we hit them back hard.

[Grenartia]

Except trade wars aren't good, particularly when the warring parties have each other by the balls.

China's been waging a trade war against us since the early 1990s. Either they stop their shit or we hit them back hard.

Tit-for-tat tariffs aren't the way to win a trade war. Going somewhere else is.

[Totally Not OEP]

China's been waging a trade war against us since the early 1990s. Either they stop their shit or we hit them back hard.

Tit-for-tat tariffs aren't the way to win a trade war. Going somewhere else is.

???

[Bear Stearns]

China's been waging a trade war against us since the early 1990s. Either they stop their shit or we hit them back hard.

Tit-for-tat tariffs aren't the way to win a trade war. Going somewhere else is.

That just kicks the can down the road and doesn't solve the structural problem that America's working class has been decimated by globalization.

Moving manufacturing to Vietnam won't change our position.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"We did it nsg! We destroyed China!"
*entire world is on fire from a nuclear war*

They lack the ability to engage in and win strategic nuclear warfare. With that said, however, I'm not afraid to lose San Francisco or Chicago, to be honest. Removing the largest extant threat to the United States in the modern area is worth the cost; the USSR, afterall, lost 30 million to defeat the Reich.

With nuclear warfare no one wins. Everyone loses.
also your post reeks of"some of you may die but that is a sacrifice i'm willing to make"

[Grenartia]

Tit-for-tat tariffs aren't the way to win a trade war. Going somewhere else is.

That just kicks the can down the road and doesn't solve the structural problem that America's working class has been decimated by globalization.

Moving manufacturing to Vietnam won't change our position.

Vietnam isn't the only alternative.

[Totally Not OEP]

They lack the ability to engage in and win strategic nuclear warfare. With that said, however, I'm not afraid to lose San Francisco or Chicago, to be honest. Removing the largest extant threat to the United States in the modern area is worth the cost; the USSR, afterall, lost 30 million to defeat the Reich.

With nuclear warfare no one wins. Everyone loses.
also your post reeks of"some of you may die but that is a sacrifice i'm willing to make"

My post is exactly that because the prognosticators on Nuclear Warfare tend to be duplicitous for a reason.

[Bear Stearns]

That just kicks the can down the road and doesn't solve the structural problem that America's working class has been decimated by globalization.

Moving manufacturing to Vietnam won't change our position.

Vietnam isn't the only alternative.

The only place I think it would make sense to outsource would be Latin America, as if could bring Latin America's living standards at least somewhat closer to ours and thus massively cut back on immigration. These would also be trade relationships where we'd have a lot more power to get favorable terms for ourselves. But even then, it's not as good as developing a self-sufficient smart economy back home where our working class is supported by the state.

[Grenartia]

Vietnam isn't the only alternative.

The only place I think it would make sense to outsource would be Latin America, as if could bring Latin America's living standards at least somewhat closer to ours and thus massively cut back on immigration. These would also be trade relationships where we'd have a lot more power to get favorable terms for ourselves. But even then, it's not as good as developing a self-sufficient smart economy back home where our working class is supported by the state.

That's more like what I was thinking.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

China at this time is incapable of invading Taiwan.

Source?

A quick complilation surface scratch of some YouTube videos I’ve seen.

Should be enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67BZ1T0ehU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr0s2t9uG5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKq2sTCV1Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05m5ON7XfWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrmGefn9Gaw








Further considerations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eViswN602_k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WryHV3wSsmw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj87LmKGIvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQV_DKQkT8o



Also I can’t source it but remember hearing somewhere that some Chinese general said that they could on,y attack Taiwan for 2 weeks and that some Taiwanese defense person they could only hold for 2 weeks...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

With nuclear warfare no one wins. Everyone loses.
also your post reeks of"some of you may die but that is a sacrifice i'm willing to make"

My post is exactly that because the prognosticators on Nuclear Warfare tend to be duplicitous for a reason.

Ok then, but I still don't want all of mankind to die in nuclear fire so a China war is a big no go from me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

My post is exactly that because the prognosticators on Nuclear Warfare tend to be duplicitous for a reason.

Ok then, but I still don't want all of mankind to die in nuclear fire so a China war is a big no go from me.

Not even close to all of mankind would die in nuclear fire from a war with China lol. Shit you could launch every weapon currently on the earth and it wouldn't kill all of mankind.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

But what about trade wars

If the US government apparatus was fully behind Trump, we'd kick China's ass in a trade war and bring about a new Century of Humiliation for them. But alas, he is fighting with both hands tied behind his back.

Tariffs won’t do as much as cutting off resources feeding into the massive factory called China.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Ok then, but I still don't want all of mankind to die in nuclear fire so a China war is a big no go from me.

Not even close to all of mankind would die in nuclear fire from a war with China lol. Shit you could launch every weapon currently on the earth and it wouldn't kill all of mankind.

It would still kill a significant amount of people and cause a modern civilization collapse, don’t pretend a nuclear war would be all sunshine and rainbows when it would actually be ash and radiation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not even close to all of mankind would die in nuclear fire from a war with China lol. Shit you could launch every weapon currently on the earth and it wouldn't kill all of mankind.

It would still kill a significant amount of people and cause a modern civilization collapse, don’t pretend a nuclear war would be all sunshine and rainbows when it would actually be ash and radiation.

It likely wouldn't even collapse modern civilization. Even if all the northern hemisphere countries bamboozled each other with bombs and had no survival plans the southern hemisphere would largely be fine minus serious economic woes.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

That just kicks the can down the road and doesn't solve the structural problem that America's working class has been decimated by globalization.

Moving manufacturing to Vietnam won't change our position.

Vietnam isn't the only alternative.

Short term Africa is good as cheap labor, the continent industrializes and China’s “takeover” is halted.


Long term, robots will replace people in factory’s having the cheapest “labour” in the us. And having a (hopefully) skilled retrained workforce. Going back to trade school, college, military, or retirement.