MAGAThread XVIII: The Authority Is Total

[San Montalbano]

That says treason or bribery

Were being told quid pro

Unless your telling me they are EXACTLY the same and even then, it also has to be discussed: is the president allowed to give and take within his powers as the head of the executive branch

If the CIA thinks Trump needs to go... Methinks I'm willing to listen.

What?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

In 25 words or less, what is it you want us to allow?

Thank you Farnhamia - For NS to allow us to create multi choice Private and Public Polls on our general and RP threads again like we used too. To allow us to create multi choice Public Polls on our regional Polls. I really think it can be done. They can even create like a site Poll generator or something we can access and link to our OP Introduction Post Page.

Thank you Farnhamia.

Greater Miami Shores Alberto.

That would be cool ...

[Farnhamia]

In 25 words or less, what is it you want us to allow?

Thank you Farnhamia - For NS to allow us to create multi choice Private and Public Polls on our general and RP threads again like we used too. To allow us to create multi choice Public Polls on our regional Polls. I really think it can be done. They can even create like a site Poll generator or something we can access and link to our OP Introduction Post Page.

Thank you Farnhamia.

Greater Miami Shores Alberto.

Multiple choice polls are possible. I don't know what you mean by "Private and Public Polls," unless you mean you want to see who is voting for which choice. Did you bring this up in Technical as you were told to do?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

As a matter of information, Article II, Section 4 says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Note the "or."

Okay?

Trump has done many many bad things. Some mild, some not so much ...

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Thank you Farnhamia - For NS to allow us to create multi choice Private and Public Polls on our general and RP threads again like we used too. To allow us to create multi choice Public Polls on our regional Polls. I really think it can be done. They can even create like a site Poll generator or something we can access and link to our OP Introduction Post Page.

Thank you Farnhamia.

Greater Miami Shores Alberto.

Multiple choice polls are possible. I don't know what you mean by "Private and Public Polls," unless you mean you want to see who is voting for which choice. Did you bring this up in Technical as you were told to do?

Oh?

[San Montalbano]

Okay?

Trump has done many many bad things. Some mild, some not so much ...

Im sure you think he does

You havn’t adressed what i said inregarding the powers of his office.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Trump has done many many bad things. Some mild, some not so much ...

Im sure you think he does

You havn’t adressed what i said inregarding the powers of his office.

I think I did. Just to make sure, could you ask the question again ?

[Farnhamia]

Multiple choice polls are possible. I don't know what you mean by "Private and Public Polls," unless you mean you want to see who is voting for which choice. Did you bring this up in Technical as you were told to do?

Oh?

Back on Jolt you could create public poll that would allow you to see who voted how.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Oh?

Back on Jolt you could create public poll that would allow you to see who voted how.

Very interesting


(Not being sarcastic)

[San Montalbano]

Im sure you think he does

You havn’t adressed what i said inregarding the powers of his office.

I think I did. Just to make sure, could you ask the question again ?

Of course

Let's say that hypothetically he had committed quid pro quo.

1. Is that the EXACT same as Bribery?
2. Is it within the presidents power as head of the executive branch to perform quid pro quo on behalf of the United States?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I think I did. Just to make sure, could you ask the question again ?

Of course

Let's say that hypothetically he had committed quid pro quo.

1. Is that the EXACT same as Bribery?
2. Is it within the presidents power as head of the executive branch to perform quid pro quo on behalf of the United States?

Who benefits from undermining Donald Trump's political opponents via frivolous litigation? The United States or Donald Trump who will get four more years of robbing America?
Or has Donald Trump ascended to Roi Soleil status in your eyes already?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

I think I did. Just to make sure, could you ask the question again ?

Of course

Let's say that hypothetically he had committed quid pro quo.

1. Is that the EXACT same as Bribery?
2. Is it within the presidents power as head of the executive branch to perform quid pro quo on behalf of the United States?

There is no “committing” quid pro quo. That simply means do this for me I do this for you. That’s fine in Diplomacy. answering #2 but for #1 trump “using” quid pro quo. Asked the Ukrainian president to do him a political favor so he could get military aid and visit the Whitehouse. That used the component of quid pro quo but he “committed” Bribery / attempted bribery.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Thank you Farnhamia - For NS to allow us to create multi choice Private and Public Polls on our general and RP threads again like we used too. To allow us to create multi choice Public Polls on our regional Polls. I really think it can be done. They can even create like a site Poll generator or something we can access and link to our OP Introduction Post Page.

Thank you Farnhamia.

Greater Miami Shores Alberto.

Multiple choice polls are possible. I don't know what you mean by "Private and Public Polls," unless you mean you want to see who is voting for which choice. Did you bring this up in Technical as you were told to do?

Thank You Farnhamia - I mean right now we can create Private Polls on our general and RP threads where we cant see who voted which way. So allow us the option of creating Private and Public Polls if we wish where we can see who voted which way on the Public Polls.

To allow us to create multi choice Public Polls on our regional Poll where we can see who voted which way. Right now we can only create one choice Public Polls on our regional Polls.

Yes I did bringing it up on technical as I was told to. But I did not explain to the Main Technical Moderator Frisbeeteria in clear details as I have to you on these two Posts. I keep hoping one day they soon they NS will allow us to do so exactly as I have described on these 2 Posts.

I think Public Polls where we can see who voted which way would be great on the Trump impeachment threads and the election threads of all real and RP Nations as well. It would cut down on fraud voting on the Trump impeachment Threads if this is actually happening which I don't know if it is happening or not.

An IP Address identification system on the Public Polls might be Possible But I don't know.

Thank You Farnhamia.

Greater Miami Shores - Alberto.

[Zurkerx]

While inwould like to agree with this

I act on verifiable evidence, not feelings

It is feelings that trump committed an impeachable offense, not verifiable.

I would also like to ask, is quid pro quo actually a crime for trump or is it only a crime if he is doing it to go after a political opponent, because that is an important distinction.

Quid pro quo is you give I give you. That’s fine if it’s like my country recognizes you, your country trades with me. But not fine if it’s like my country recognizes you, you give me 2 mil dollars.


That second one is a lot of corruption and bribery. One of only 2 things explicitly listed in impeachment (bribery).


What trump asked of Ukraine was very valuable to trump in a monetary value and valuable anyways.

Alright this conversation of going back-and-forth is literally hurting my brain. So, let's get some explaining here:

A Quid Quo Pro is no illegal: countries across the world do it to benefit each other on a foreign policy basis. However, when that Quid Quo Pro is for a domestic purpose, aka, Trump asking for dirt on a political opponent by soliciting a foreign government to benefit him and his campaign, then that is abuse of power and violation of campaign finance laws, as well as potential bribery because aid was withheld initially.

Trump, as we all know, is accused of soliciting a foreign government to dig dirt on a political opponent that he felt at the time, threatened his re-election hopes. Based on the evidence, witness testimony, and how the administration and Trump is reacting, we should at least suspect that there's something wrong and it needs to be investigated. Trump will likely not be removed but the scapegoat, aka, Giuliani, won't be so lucky.

[San Montalbano]

Of course

Let's say that hypothetically he had committed quid pro quo.

1. Is that the EXACT same as Bribery?
2. Is it within the presidents power as head of the executive branch to perform quid pro quo on behalf of the United States?

There is no “committing” quid pro quo. That simply means do this for me I do this for you. That’s fine in Diplomacy. answering #2 but for #1 trump “using” quid pro quo. Asked the Ukrainian president to do him a political favor so he could get military aid and visit the Whitehouse. That used the component of quid pro quo but he “committed” Bribery / attempted bribery.

How do you know it was a political favor? the president of Ukraine was elected on rooting out curruption, and it HAPPENS TO BE that Bidens son was making shit tons of money in a job he had no qualifications for, that looks like curruption and should be investigated.

Ask your self this: WHY is Bidens son on the board of a Ukrainian company making many thousands a month with no prior experience after being kicked out of the army for drug abuse?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

If you want more proof. This isint out of the blue.this is how trump operates. He’s been a conman his whole life. Never a real successful businessman. Trump university for instance, or the collapsing casino. I have grandma whose friend some time ago worked for trump and built some apartment for him. Once they were done the workers were called into an office and either trump or some high official said, I’m. To gonna pay you but you can sue me. This is who he is. A conman. Remember, he was registered Democrat some years before the election. He has even gone directly agents many republican values. And it’s pretty obvious all his other corrupt ties in Russia and the Middle East. He’s a conman, a shady figure.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

There is no “committing” quid pro quo. That simply means do this for me I do this for you. That’s fine in Diplomacy. answering #2 but for #1 trump “using” quid pro quo. Asked the Ukrainian president to do him a political favor so he could get military aid and visit the Whitehouse. That used the component of quid pro quo but he “committed” Bribery / attempted bribery.

How do you know it was a political favor? the president of Ukraine was elected on rooting out curruption, and it HAPPENS TO BE that Bidens son was making shit tons of money in a job he had no qualifications for, that looks like curruption and should be investigated.

Ask your self this: WHY is Bidens son on the board of a Ukrainian company making many thousands a month with no prior experience after being kicked out of the army for drug abuse?

That is highly exxagorated. And even if it was all true. That’s not the way to do it. There was a legal way to do it if it was real. But he chose to blackmail Ukraine (thus the word extortion).

[San Montalbano]

How do you know it was a political favor? the president of Ukraine was elected on rooting out curruption, and it HAPPENS TO BE that Bidens son was making shit tons of money in a job he had no qualifications for, that looks like curruption and should be investigated.

Ask your self this: WHY is Bidens son on the board of a Ukrainian company making many thousands a month with no prior experience after being kicked out of the army for drug abuse?

That is highly exxagorated. And even if it was all true. That’s not the way to do it. There was a legal way to do it if it was real. But he chose to blackmail Ukraine (thus the word extortion).

How is it exxagerated? Do you have evidence of Hunter Bidens qualifications?

Burisma, and Ukraine is rife with curruption, the new president RAN ON ANTI-CURRUPTION, so if the president wan't the ukrainain president to do his job, then there is no issue there.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

That is highly exxagorated. And even if it was all true. That’s not the way to do it. There was a legal way to do it if it was real. But he chose to blackmail Ukraine (thus the word extortion).

How is it exxagerated? Do you have evidence of Hunter Bidens qualifications?

Burisma, and Ukraine is rife with curruption, the new president RAN ON ANTI-CURRUPTION, so if the president wan't the ukrainain president to do his job, then there is no issue there.

What ?


Your ignoring a lot of things I’ve said. I’m assuming you don’t care and are just saying things ?

Don’t you want what’s best ?

[San Montalbano]

How is it exxagerated? Do you have evidence of Hunter Bidens qualifications?

Burisma, and Ukraine is rife with curruption, the new president RAN ON ANTI-CURRUPTION, so if the president wan't the ukrainain president to do his job, then there is no issue there.

What ?


Your ignoring a lot of things I’ve said. I’m assuming you don’t care and are just saying things ?

I havn't ignored anything

I'm stating that what actually is happening is that the president is asking the leader of Ukraine to do what he was elected to do, root out curuption. It's not up to the president if he actually does it, but if it is believed that the Ukrainian goverment is horribly curupt then why can we trust them with military aid if we cannot trust those weapons will even remain in ukrainian hands?

Note: What I want? It dosn't matter what I want.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It's amusing... grimly amusing that a Fascist ardently believes Donald Trump the serial conman had the best concerns of Ukraine at heart when he ordered the Ukrainian president to undermine Donald's own political opponents via frivolous litigation.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

What ?


Your ignoring a lot of things I’ve said. I’m assuming you don’t care and are just saying things ?

I havn't ignored anything

I'm stating that what actually is happening is that the president is asking the leader of Ukraine to do what he was elected to do, root out curuption. It's not up to the president if he actually does it, but if it is believed that the Ukrainian goverment is horribly curupt then why can we trust them with military aid if we cannot trust those weapons will even remain in ukrainian hands?

isint it the Ukrainian duty to the president but to his people. If he wanted to do it legally (or the justice department for that matter) then it could have been done very differently. No need to stop military support and block a whitehouse meeting.
I mean there is so much proof flooding this situation, how is it so hard to avoid.the people testifying said trump doesent give a **** about Ukraine but cares about the investigation. Witch happens to be of course his largest political opponent.

[San Montalbano]

I havn't ignored anything

I'm stating that what actually is happening is that the president is asking the leader of Ukraine to do what he was elected to do, root out curuption. It's not up to the president if he actually does it, but if it is believed that the Ukrainian goverment is horribly curupt then why can we trust them with military aid if we cannot trust those weapons will even remain in ukrainian hands?

it’s nit the Ukrainian duty to the president but to his people. If he wanted to do it legally (or the justice department for that matter) then it could have been done very differently. No need to stop military support and block a whitehouse meeting.
I mean there is so much proof flooding this situation, how is it so hard to avoid.the people testifying said trump doesent give a **** about Ukraine but cares about the investigation. Witch happens to be of course his largest political opponent.

We don't know who his largest political opponent is, the DNC isn't close to picking a candidate yet, so that's a NOPE

and are you saying that it's NOT within his powers to do such things?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

and are you saying that it's NOT within his powers to do such things?

Demand and request that several foreign powers, including the PRC investigate Donald's political opponents? You honestly think he's Roi Soleil don't you?

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

it’s nit the Ukrainian duty to the president but to his people. If he wanted to do it legally (or the justice department for that matter) then it could have been done very differently. No need to stop military support and block a whitehouse meeting.
I mean there is so much proof flooding this situation, how is it so hard to avoid.the people testifying said trump doesent give a **** about Ukraine but cares about the investigation. Witch happens to be of course his largest political opponent.

We don't know who his largest political opponent is, the DNC isn't close to picking a candidate yet, so that's a NOPE

and are you saying that it's NOT within his powers to do such things?

1 at the time joe bides was polling at the top and republican campgain ads we’re focusing on Biden and the “socialists”

2 I don’t think the president can request a forgen government to investigate a us citicen. (Maybe through the DOJ ?) It’s definitely not appropriate, and with the blackmail/attempted bribery. He can’t do that. I mean I guess he can cuz he did, but not without breaking the law and gettin the only force that could prosecute and possibly remove him to activate, the congress.