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by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:16 am
by Boda » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:17 am
Nord-Norden wrote:That leaves us vulnerable to raids. Which is why we instated the password to begin with
by Christus Imperat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:20 am
It's a dead region. Dead regions get refounded. It is better for dead regions to get refounded rather than wasting the name. Why do we want to liberate this?
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:23 am
Christus Imperat wrote:"Liberation" is nice sounding word for the imperialism of the irrelevant. Should a member of a small region take leadership when its other members go silent, it is not the job of the security council to annex that small region.
This is hegemony, this is empire with nice words, and it is not voluntary. When the only voice of a group tells you to leave them alone, you leave them alone.
As it stands, Christus Imperat opposes the forceful annexation of Aurelia by the security council, unless The Viceroyalty of Kaidokrai, Nord-Norden, or Aurelia say otherwise.It's a dead region. Dead regions get refounded. It is better for dead regions to get refounded rather than wasting the name. Why do we want to liberate this?
Exactly. Stop wasting the lives of the citizens to control people. That is not the role of Nationstates Uniting.
by Christus Imperat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:32 am
by Xoriet » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:39 am
Christus Imperat wrote:This conversation is where our true values are determined. I don't mind the time spent. I mind the deception.
This is not only a waste of time, it is a waste of the resources of the Members of the World Assembly and their governments. Taxes are privations of the resources of our people. Let's not waste the sweat of our people on conquering the unwilling.
This "Liberation" is a hegemonic conquest of an independent region. Leave them alone, Kuriko. Leave them alone, yes men.
by Christus Imperat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:43 am
Xoriet wrote:Christus Imperat wrote:This conversation is where our true values are determined. I don't mind the time spent. I mind the deception.
This is not only a waste of time, it is a waste of the resources of the Members of the World Assembly and their governments. Taxes are privations of the resources of our people. Let's not waste the sweat of our people on conquering the unwilling.
This "Liberation" is a hegemonic conquest of an independent region. Leave them alone, Kuriko. Leave them alone, yes men.
It's literally taking a region away from raiders attempting to refound it.
by Concrete Slab » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:49 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:53 am
Xoriet wrote:Memories are long when it comes to a guy (hi Nephmir) who declared war on half the game and promised to purge their entire populace into TRR to "cleanse" them of "corruption"~
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Christus Imperat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:57 am
Concrete Slab wrote:You can complain and whine all you want, this is still going to pass by an overwhelming margin.
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Xoriet wrote:Memories are long when it comes to a guy (hi Nephmir) who declared war on half the game and promised to purge their entire populace into TRR to "cleanse" them of "corruption"~
And that's the reason why TWP has voted for this Liberation. Nice to stick it in even a small way to Auralia and Nephmir. The West has a long memory.
by A Bloodred Moon » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:04 am
Concrete Slab wrote:You can complain and whine all you want, this is still going to pass by an overwhelming margin.
by Lord Dominator » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:38 am
by Boda » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 am
Lord Dominator wrote:Don't care about the actual Liberation, Nephmir can burn for all I care.
by Christus Imperat » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:03 am
by Boda » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:19 am
Christus Imperat wrote:
Hate to ignore people, but what justification is there to the liberation itself? It seems a conquest with a flattering euphemism.
by Nord-Norden » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:31 am
Boda wrote:Christus Imperat wrote:
Hate to ignore people, but what justification is there to the liberation itself? It seems a conquest with a flattering euphemism.
To be honest it's mostly for smug and petty satisfaction than others. Auralia has always been infamous on NS and i cannot disagree
witH That as Auralia has also rubbed me the wrong way. Kinda glad The DEmocratika is planning a coup on it ngl.
by Lord Dominator » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:54 am
Nord-Norden wrote:Boda wrote:
To be honest it's mostly for smug and petty satisfaction than others. Auralia has always been infamous on NS and i cannot disagree
witH That as Auralia has also rubbed me the wrong way. Kinda glad The DEmocratika is planning a coup on it ngl.
And truth reveals itself. This is and always was a petty thing. One group of raiders, calling themselves Defenders, coming after a small band of honest do god reinvigorators. This was a dead region, it will not change after this "Liberation" but it might if we get to try.
by Boda » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:04 am
Nord-Norden wrote:And truth reveals itself. This is and always was a petty thing. One group of raiders, calling themselves Defenders, coming after a small band of honest do god reinvigorators. This was a dead region, it will not change after this "Liberation" but it might if we get to try.
by Nord-Norden » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:59 am
Boda wrote:Nord-Norden wrote:And truth reveals itself. This is and always was a petty thing. One group of raiders, calling themselves Defenders, coming after a small band of honest do god reinvigorators. This was a dead region, it will not change after this "Liberation" but it might if we get to try.
All you did was trophize the region as a result of defender contact. What changes do you even plan to make for aurelia if you refound it?
by Roavin » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:06 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:I do however remain confuzzled that our standard for native apparently includes someone lists their nations that were in-region, despite neither having been in-region for at least three years or so.
Numero Capitan wrote:The argument of other raiders that as soon as a nation CTEs it has less right to a region than an imperialist group of raiders sniffing around would again be very convenient to those trying to suggest it, but is a nonsense. Sjal actually left the region as they had another nation there and only wanted to RP as one of them, but the region also had a temporary policy of ejecting people as soon as they became inactive for a while. The suggestion that either of those things rescinds any right they have as natives of the region is nonsense.
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by Lord Dominator » Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:58 pm
Roavin wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:I do however remain confuzzled that our standard for native apparently includes someone lists their nations that were in-region, despite neither having been in-region for at least three years or so.
See:Numero Capitan wrote:The argument of other raiders that as soon as a nation CTEs it has less right to a region than an imperialist group of raiders sniffing around would again be very convenient to those trying to suggest it, but is a nonsense. Sjal actually left the region as they had another nation there and only wanted to RP as one of them, but the region also had a temporary policy of ejecting people as soon as they became inactive for a while. The suggestion that either of those things rescinds any right they have as natives of the region is nonsense.
by Murden » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:06 pm
by Nrevyw » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:36 pm
Murden wrote:The region was left in a bereft state and all but abandoned. Why should we care about its vaunted history and community when no one native stepped up to the plate to actually do anything to preserve it? I think the support for liberation is an example of animosity towards raiders/conquerors which is unfairly misplaced. The new owners hardly invaded a bustling region, but an empty one. They're utilizing an asset that would otherwise continue to gather moss. I do not support this proposal.
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