by Grahnol » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:56 pm
by Farnhamia » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:57 pm
by Rojava Free State » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:58 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Kowani » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:01 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:This is another example of how corporate America has corrupted the free market and our government. If your business can't survive them why should we save it with tax payer dollars? If bob's burgers sucks so bad for example that no one wants to go there, isn't giving them a bailout akin to forcing me at gunpoint to go there, buy a burger and sink my teeth into the disgusting uncooked raw meat and have rotten lettuce while crying tears of agony?
The short answer is no
by Thermodolia » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:03 pm
by Rojava Free State » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:04 pm
Kowani wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:This is another example of how corporate America has corrupted the free market and our government. If your business can't survive them why should we save it with tax payer dollars? If bob's burgers sucks so bad for example that no one wants to go there, isn't giving them a bailout akin to forcing me at gunpoint to go there, buy a burger and sink my teeth into the disgusting uncooked raw meat and have rotten lettuce while crying tears of agony?
The short answer is no
This is quite possibly the stupidest argument you could’ve possibly made.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Grahnol » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:06 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Why stop at subsidies? Let’s not half ass it, let’s go all the way and nationalize everything
by Kowani » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:07 pm
by Rojava Free State » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:10 pm
Kowani wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
couldn't be as stupid as you throwing around insults without any actual points. I don't think we should prop up businesses that can't succeed in the least.
Entirely false. You see, subsidies are not “paying people to patronize the place”, and bailouts don’t force anyone to purchase anything. Your argument that bailouts are just forcing people to go there at gunpoint is factually wrong.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Xuloqoia » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:11 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Why stop at subsidies? Let’s not half ass it, let’s go all the way and nationalize everything
by Dooom35796821595 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:12 pm
by Grahnol » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:17 pm
Kowani wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
couldn't be as stupid as you throwing around insults without any actual points. I don't think we should prop up businesses that can't succeed in the least.
Entirely false. You see, subsidies are not “paying people to patronize the place”, and bailouts don’t force anyone to purchase anything. Your argument that bailouts are just forcing people to go there at gunpoint is factually wrong.
by Libertasnia » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:32 pm
Grahnol wrote:I guess I can kind of understand the government doing that to small businesses but it also feels like they favour them over other small businesses. At that point, they might as well just nationalise the business. I'm not against nationalising businesses at all, but for non-government businesses, funding them leaves a lot of room for businessmen to leverage their power and influence both in and outside of the government as well as room for governments to determine the path and bring possible favour to a specific business
What do you think, NSG?
by US-SSR » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:36 pm
by Bear Stearns » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:40 pm
by Senkaku » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:42 pm
by The Black Forrest » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:43 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:For many things, the government is often incapable of doing it itself, so it outsources the function to a third-party, usually a business or a non-profit. I think these need to be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
by Antityranicals » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:55 pm
by UniversalCommons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:57 pm
by Antityranicals » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:01 pm
UniversalCommons wrote:Corporate welfare is nonsense. The government collects your taxes to run the government not the neighbors business. You should give your taxes for standard government activities like roads, libraries, police schools, and the military. Every penny should be accounted for and displayed publicly. Why should the government be giving away your taxes to something other than the government. Businesses should borrow money from the government, not get handouts and then pay us back. Businesses are high risk enterprises to start. So are organizations when they start. Business and government together often create corruption. Church and government together creates morality laws.
by Antityranicals » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:02 pm
UniversalCommons wrote:It should be cheaper and better to get these services through taxes than as an individual payee.
by UniversalCommons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:12 pm
Antityranicals wrote:UniversalCommons wrote:Corporate welfare is nonsense. The government collects your taxes to run the government not the neighbors business. You should give your taxes for standard government activities like roads, libraries, police schools, and the military. Every penny should be accounted for and displayed publicly. Why should the government be giving away your taxes to something other than the government. Businesses should borrow money from the government, not get handouts and then pay us back. Businesses are high risk enterprises to start. So are organizations when they start. Business and government together often create corruption. Church and government together creates morality laws.
What's the moral difference between using tax dollars to provide services such as police and schools and using tax dollars to help other organizations provide such services? Why does spending being directly handled by the government matter?
by Thermodolia » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:53 am
Senkaku wrote:If it's in the country's strategic interests or there's some sort of demonstrable benefit to society, sure (though then there should be a debate as to if it should be nationalized or not). Throwing cash at oil companies or letting tech companies write off their taxes, though? That shit shouldn't fly.
by Samadhi » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:56 am
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