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by Hakons » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:03 pm
by US-SSR » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:08 pm
Hakons wrote:Foreign volunteers for the IS should not be allowed to return. They committed high crimes in Syria or Iraq and should thus be tried according to the laws and judiciary of Syria or Iraq.
by Loben The 2nd » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:10 pm
US-SSR wrote:Hakons wrote:Foreign volunteers for the IS should not be allowed to return. They committed high crimes in Syria or Iraq and should thus be tried according to the laws and judiciary of Syria or Iraq.
Syria, Iraq, New Zealand or the Federated States of Micronesia are perfectly within their rights to try any US citizens they believe have committed crime in their jurisdictions under their laws. But no one can prevent any US citizen not in foreign custody from returning to the US. No one.
by Greed and Death » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:13 pm
Hakons wrote:Foreign volunteers for the IS should not be allowed to return. They committed high crimes in Syria or Iraq and should thus be tried according to the laws and judiciary of Syria or Iraq.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:19 pm
by Hakons » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:19 pm
by Gormwood » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:25 pm
by Genivaria » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:28 pm
Hakons wrote:Foreign volunteers for the IS should not be allowed to return. They committed high crimes in Syria or Iraq and should thus be tried according to the laws and judiciary of Syria or Iraq.
by The East Marches II » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:33 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:38 pm
by The East Marches II » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:42 pm
Genivaria wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
I honestly don't know. I know the Iraqis hanged a few of those women already and INTERPOL didn't get involved (and over the protests of some European countries).
Sounds like it defeats the purpose of having an organization like INTERPOL (who's domain includes terrorism btw) when they aren't going to collect international terrorists and execute them.
by Loben The 2nd » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:54 pm
by Australian rePublic » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:20 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Urran wrote:Joining a terrorist organization that pillages, rapes, enslaves, and burns people alive in cages is tantamount to treason. Ruling she was never a US citizen, if I understand that that is what has happened, is a moot point as she definitely deserves to lose her citizenship now.
Treason really is a dumb word, no country deserves absolute loyalty.
Until I see the judgement however I'll refrain from making kneejerk assumptions based on the political leanings of the judge.
by Thermodolia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:51 pm
by Thermodolia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:53 pm
by Rojava Free State » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:54 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Thermodolia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:56 pm
US-SSR wrote:Urran wrote:
Well, I can agree with that, but it IS a law that you lose your US citizenship by joining a foreign military. Joining a militant terrorist organization certainly fits, especially since ISIS wishes to create a caliphate, which is for all intents and purposes a theocratic state.
The law is that no US citizen by birth can lose their citizenship unless they intend to do so. As a practical matter that means renunciation overseas before a US consular officer. Plenty of US citizens, naturalized and native born, have served in foriegn militaries without losing their citizenship. F'rinstance Greece for many years demanded compulsory military service from dual nationals, ensnaring many Greek-American young men visiting their grandparents. None of them lost citizenship. Many Jewish Americans have served in the Israeli forces, none lost citizenship.
Here's a good explanation of the legal issues from the Lawfare blog.
As for ISIS, it is not a state, the US is not at war with it and even if it were unless the US could produce two witnesses against her Hoda still couldn't be tried for treason. Once her right to US citizenship is affirmed on appeal, if the US wants to try her for treason, supporting terrorism or allowing her dog to foul the footpath it could go right ahead and do so. But first it would have to let her enter the country of her birth and citizenship.
by Rojava Free State » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:01 pm
Thermodolia wrote:US-SSR wrote:
The law is that no US citizen by birth can lose their citizenship unless they intend to do so. As a practical matter that means renunciation overseas before a US consular officer. Plenty of US citizens, naturalized and native born, have served in foriegn militaries without losing their citizenship. F'rinstance Greece for many years demanded compulsory military service from dual nationals, ensnaring many Greek-American young men visiting their grandparents. None of them lost citizenship. Many Jewish Americans have served in the Israeli forces, none lost citizenship.
Here's a good explanation of the legal issues from the Lawfare blog.
As for ISIS, it is not a state, the US is not at war with it and even if it were unless the US could produce two witnesses against her Hoda still couldn't be tried for treason. Once her right to US citizenship is affirmed on appeal, if the US wants to try her for treason, supporting terrorism or allowing her dog to foul the footpath it could go right ahead and do so. But first it would have to let her enter the country of her birth and citizenship.
She’s not a citizen and it won’t be overturned. The appellate courts will uphold the ruling. She’s not going back to the US, Yemen can have her
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Loben The 2nd » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 pm
by Thermodolia » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:41 pm
by Kaystein » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:20 pm
by Loben The 2nd » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:21 pm
by US-SSR » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:54 pm
Kaystein wrote:Were they born in the United States?
by Kaystein » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:54 pm
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