The Iron Curtain: A Cold War RP (OOC, Reboot, Open)

[The Hoosier Alliance]

Is a Discord going to be created for this?

[The Hoosier Alliance]

Also, FYI, the reason there is and will continue to be brutal repression and mass murder is because that’s what happened IRL.

[New Finnish Republic]

Started on a post, will hopefully have it done tonight.

[Union Princes]

Eh, Communist China is not my kind of thing.

Probably just do what Finland had done and do the Blue Shirt Movement in the National China

If you don't mind me asking, what were you planning on doing for China?

Nothing too special, I suppose. I was thinking of a fascist China in the cold war after the Blue Shirt Society gain enough popularity during the second sino-Japanese war to establish Chiang as a fascist dictator. Making China an anti-communist and anti-colonialist power in East Asia

[Asardia]

Is a Discord going to be created for this?

I'll put a poll up, although I don't think we really need one.

Also, FYI, the reason there is and will continue to be brutal repression and mass murder is because that’s what happened IRL.

Ok. This was the first time I heard of the Guatemalan Revolution, so I wasn't too familiar with it. I appreciate the historical accuracy

Started on a post, will hopefully have it done tonight.

No pressure. With the IC being made late last night, you guys have plenty of time for a post.

If you don't mind me asking, what were you planning on doing for China?

Nothing too special, I suppose. I was thinking of a fascist China in the cold war after the Blue Shirt Society gain enough popularity during the second sino-Japanese war to establish Chiang as a fascist dictator. Making China an anti-communist and anti-colonialist power in East Asia

Hmm I see. So basically a nationalist victory in the civil war huh. Does anything else interest you to RP as?

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And while we're on the topic of divergences, I was asked about Finland possibly being a communist state if a coup in 1948 succeeded.

[Dentali]

Is a Discord going to be created for this?

I'll put a poll up, although I don't think we really need one.

Also, FYI, the reason there is and will continue to be brutal repression and mass murder is because that’s what happened IRL.

Ok. This was the first time I heard of the Guatemalan Revolution, so I wasn't too familiar with it. I appreciate the historical accuracy

Started on a post, will hopefully have it done tonight.

No pressure. With the IC being made late last night, you guys have plenty of time for a post.

Nothing too special, I suppose. I was thinking of a fascist China in the cold war after the Blue Shirt Society gain enough popularity during the second sino-Japanese war to establish Chiang as a fascist dictator. Making China an anti-communist and anti-colonialist power in East Asia

Hmm I see. So basically a nationalist victory in the civil war huh. Does anything else interest you to RP as?

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And while we're on the topic of divergences, I was asked about Finland possibly being a communist state if a coup in 1948 succeeded.

Again, China either needs to be communist or split. No unified China unless its commie

[Confederate American SU]

Goodness sakes, we already agreed on a map for China. The South and West are KMT-controlled. The Communists control the Northern and East-Central parts of the country.

Seriously, we shouldn't have to wait for a fortnight just to resolve arguments over China.

Honestly, the rule that I have in my head is that the smaller and more obscure the nation is, the more you can diverge from history. The Great Powers should be at least mostly OTL, but smaller nations can be different. This would actually incentivize players to actually pick smaller countries over major powers, and generally make things more 'realistic'. It is easier to start a revolution or coup in a smaller nation over a large superpower.

Alternatively, you can just play the Blueshirts as a pro-KMT faction. I guess they can be the ones who control the Nationalist movement post-WW2, but you might find yourself lacking in support from anywhere. (And, you're don't have the benefit of geographic isolation and raw military superiority like South Africa.)

[Asardia]

I'll put a poll up, although I don't think we really need one.



Ok. This was the first time I heard of the Guatemalan Revolution, so I wasn't too familiar with it. I appreciate the historical accuracy



No pressure. With the IC being made late last night, you guys have plenty of time for a post.



Hmm I see. So basically a nationalist victory in the civil war huh. Does anything else interest you to RP as?

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And while we're on the topic of divergences, I was asked about Finland possibly being a communist state if a coup in 1948 succeeded.

Again, China either needs to be communist or split. No unified China unless its commie

Goodness sakes, we already agreed on a map for China. The South and West are KMT-controlled. The Communists control the Northern and East-Central parts of the country.

Seriously, we shouldn't have to wait for a fortnight just to resolve arguments over China.

Honestly, the rule that I have in my head is that the smaller and more obscure the nation is, the more you can diverge from history. The Great Powers should be at least mostly OTL, but smaller nations can be different. This would actually incentivize players to actually pick smaller countries over major powers, and generally make things more 'realistic'. It is easier to start a revolution or coup in a smaller nation over a large superpower.

Alternatively, you can just play the Blueshirts as a pro-KMT faction. I guess they can be the ones who control the Nationalist movement post-WW2, but you might find yourself lacking in support from anywhere. (And, you're don't have the benefit of geographic isolation and raw military superiority like South Africa.)

I thought we already agreed on it. Dentali's most recent map was how China would be split. I was just curious as to what UP wanted to do since he was really interested in being China.

I agree with that rule on country's divergences. I still think the communists splitting is unrealistic though, but we can still do it. Just waiting for UEN to get the app done. I'll add that rule to the list

[Totally Not OEP]

If you don't mind me asking, what were you planning on doing for China?

Nothing too special, I suppose. I was thinking of a fascist China in the cold war after the Blue Shirt Society gain enough popularity during the second sino-Japanese war to establish Chiang as a fascist dictator. Making China an anti-communist and anti-colonialist power in East Asia

This is actually pretty accurate to what likely would've happened in a KMT-ruled China.

[Puertollano]

I posted. Asardia, I summoned the Soviet ambassador to the GDR in the very last line.

[Union Princes]

My plan for China was to simply be a fascist country that would split the Cold War between three ideologies.

The anti-communism and anti-colonialism the Blue Shirt Society preaches would be attractive to the French, British, and Dutch colonies in Asia.

Spreading Fascism to Korea, Indochina, Malaysia and maybe Japan to form a fascist bloc.

Though I doubt I would care about Japan since it's firmly occupied by US forces at this time

[Dentali]

My plan for China was to simply be a fascist country that would split the Cold War between three ideologies.

The anti-communism and anti-colonialism the Blue Shirt Society preaches would be attractive to the French, British, and Dutch colonies in Asia.

Spreading Fascism to Korea, Indochina, Malaysia and maybe Japan to form a fascist bloc.

Though I doubt I would care about Japan since it's firmly occupied by US forces at this time

Make a rebel group in one nation if you want, but you arent making a fascist chinese state end of conversation

[New Finnish Republic]

Finally got a post up. Fingers crossed it ends well.

[Confederate American SU]

My plan for China was to simply be a fascist country that would split the Cold War between three ideologies.

The anti-communism and anti-colonialism the Blue Shirt Society preaches would be attractive to the French, British, and Dutch colonies in Asia.

Spreading Fascism to Korea, Indochina, Malaysia and maybe Japan to form a fascist bloc.

Though I doubt I would care about Japan since it's firmly occupied by US forces at this time

Reading on the Blue-Shirts, they seem to be more of just a paramilitary organization for the Chiang Kai Shek regime than a legitimately fascist organization. They can definitely survive past WW2, but it'd be as Chiang Kai Shek's paramilitary organization. They also wouldn't call themselves overt fascists, and instead promote Chiang Kai Shek to follow the route of leaders like Franco and Salazar.

Basically, they'd just be radical KMT supporters and just another part of the Chiang Kai Shek regime. Even if they go rogue, they'd probably just take over the KMT and promote their own leader. It'd just be a slightly more radical Nationalist China. They WOULDN'T create a Fascist bloc, especially in Japan. Considering what Japan did to China, they're probably going to let Japan stay under Allied control.

[Sarenium]

Country Name: Imperial State of Iran
Head of State/Government: His Imperial Majesty, Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran (Head of State) | Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran (Appointed May, 1950)
Type of Government:Autocratic Governance by Shah with minor input by Majlis (Legislature)
Capital: Tehran, Iran
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here); (Iran of 1950?)
Population: ~16 million residents
Faction: None
History:
What remains of the ancient Persian Empire is incarnated today as the Imperial State of Iran. After the 1946 eviction of the Soviet Union, the nation's politics has been uprooted by three factions. The Democratic parties angling for greater Parliamentary authority, the Communists whose grip has eroded since the '46 Eviction of the Soviets and the Royalists who have enjoyed public support for decades as the party of status quo. This all changed in the 1949 'enghelab-eh-koochik' (Little Revolution) in which spontaneous strikes blockaded the railways into and out of Tehran demanding greater political rights. The negotiations were successfully handled by career politician, Mohammed Mossadegh who brought the Unionists and the Shah to the table after which a commitment to greater political representation was made. Since then, Iran has removed land requirements for the ability to vote and lowered the minimum income a modest degree, Mossadegh has called it 'Compromise for now' implying that he would push for a further political reorganization than one which the Shah has thus far permitted. Enter 1950, the first election for Majlis resoundingly ended the grip of the Royalists, and Mossadegh's 'National Front' united with the 'New Iran' and 'Liberal Democrats' parties of the Majlis to form the first democratically elected, Majority Government in Iranian history. He promptly became Prime Minister amid an era of remarkable opportunity and political turbulence. Mossadegh himself has promised to renegotiate the contractual bindings of AIOC, a sentiment that has received silent glares from the British Embassy and absolute silence from the American; he has coupled this with a pledge to expand public services and make the Majlis more democratic. These promises are broad and how many of them the Shah acquiesces to will be the first test of the Mossadegh Government.

[Asardia]

I posted. Asardia, I summoned the Soviet ambassador to the GDR in the very last line.

Vyshinsky has left for the GDR. He can appear in your next post if you want

Country Name: Imperial State of Iran
Head of State/Government: His Imperial Majesty, Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran (Head of State) | Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran (Appointed May, 1950)
Type of Government:Autocratic Governance by Shah with minor input by Majlis (Legislature)
Capital: Tehran, Iran
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here); (Iran of 1950?)
Population: ~16 million residents
Faction: None
History:
What remains of the ancient Persian Empire is incarnated today as the Imperial State of Iran. After the 1946 eviction of the Soviet Union, the nation's politics has been uprooted by three factions. The Democratic parties angling for greater Parliamentary authority, the Communists whose grip has eroded since the '46 Eviction of the Soviets and the Royalists who have enjoyed public support for decades as the party of status quo. This all changed in the 1949 'enghelab-eh-koochik' (Little Revolution) in which spontaneous strikes blockaded the railways into and out of Tehran demanding greater political rights. The negotiations were successfully handled by career politician, Mohammed Mossadegh who brought the Unionists and the Shah to the table after which a commitment to greater political representation was made. Since then, Iran has removed land requirements for the ability to vote and lowered the minimum income a modest degree, Mossadegh has called it 'Compromise for now' implying that he would push for a further political reorganization than one which the Shah has thus far permitted. Enter 1950, the first election for Majlis resoundingly ended the grip of the Royalists, and Mossadegh's 'National Front' united with the 'New Iran' and 'Liberal Democrats' parties of the Majlis to form the first democratically elected, Majority Government in Iranian history. He promptly became Prime Minister amid an era of remarkable opportunity and political turbulence. Mossadegh himself has promised to renegotiate the contractual bindings of AIOC, a sentiment that has received silent glares from the British Embassy and absolute silence from the American; he has coupled this with a pledge to expand public services and make the Majlis more democratic. These promises are broad and how many of them the Shah acquiesces to will be the first test of the Mossadegh Government.

Accepted

[United Elemental Nations]

I think I will do a unified Communist China as in the OTL.

[The Hoosier Alliance]

Proxy war in Guatemala? Could be fun...

[United Elemental Nations]

Country Name:People's Republic of China
Head of State/Government:Chairman Mao Zedong
Type of Government:Communist Dictatorship
Capital:Beijing
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here)all modern Chinese territory except Tibet and Taiwan
Population:551,000,000
Faction:United Asian Federation
History:same as IRL

[United Elemental Nations]

Name of faction:United Asian Federation
Leader:China
Influence (number of members and power)For now just China
Base of operations:Shanghai
Goals:To be a counter against both the Warsaw Pact and NATO also seeks to prevent any Asian country from falling into the American or Soviet Sphere of influence.
History:Formed in December 1949 as a military alliance to counter balance both the Warsaw Pact and NATO and will allow any Asian nation to join.

[The Hoosier Alliance]

I'm learning so much about Central America due to all the research I'm doing into Guatemala. Looks like I have a claim to British Honduras (Belize). Can't wait for the sixties....

[Asardia]

Country Name:People's Republic of China
Head of State/Government:Chairman Mao Zedong
Type of Government:Communist Dictatorship
Capital:Beijing
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here)all modern Chinese territory except Tibet and Taiwan
Population:551,000,000
Faction:United Asian Federation
History:same as IRL

Accepted

Name of faction:United Asian Federation
Leader:China
Influence (number of members and power)For now just China
Base of operations:Shanghai
Goals:To be a counter against both the Warsaw Pact and NATO also seeks to prevent any Asian country from falling into the American or Soviet Sphere of influence.
History:Formed in December 1949 as a military alliance to counter balance both the Warsaw Pact and NATO and will allow any Asian nation to join.

Accepted.

I'm learning so much about Central America due to all the research I'm doing into Guatemala. Looks like I have a claim to British Honduras (Belize). Can't wait for the sixties....

I had the same experience with the USSR. Politics is quite interesting, and I'm glad you're enjoying this.

Also, the UK having 50,000 troops in Belize???

[The Hoosier Alliance]

I'm learning so much about Central America due to all the research I'm doing into Guatemala. Looks like I have a claim to British Honduras (Belize). Can't wait for the sixties....

I had the same experience with the USSR. Politics is quite interesting, and I'm glad you're enjoying this.

Also, the UK having 50,000 troops in Belize???

In 1948, Guatemala threatened to forcibly annex Belize (well, right now it's "British Honduras") and the coup that happened in 1954 (1950 in our timeline) only inflamed that sentiment. However, 50,000 does seem excessive at this point, but not really my decision lol

[New Finnish Republic]

I had the same experience with the USSR. Politics is quite interesting, and I'm glad you're enjoying this.

Also, the UK having 50,000 troops in Belize???

In 1948, Guatemala threatened to forcibly annex Belize (well, right now it's "British Honduras") and the coup that happened in 1954 (1950 in our timeline) only inflamed that sentiment. However, 50,000 does seem excessive at this point, but not really my decision lol

I think the British would appreciate some good old Kraut boys, the Good Kind, to assist them. Totally not in effort to reearm.

[Dentali]

I had the same experience with the USSR. Politics is quite interesting, and I'm glad you're enjoying this.

Also, the UK having 50,000 troops in Belize???

In 1948, Guatemala threatened to forcibly annex Belize (well, right now it's "British Honduras") and the coup that happened in 1954 (1950 in our timeline) only inflamed that sentiment. However, 50,000 does seem excessive at this point, but not really my decision lol

Supply limits are just numbers...