The Christian Discussion Thread X: Originally there were 15

[Salus Maior]

No, I think he doesn’t take enough into account the total lack of any evidence.

Then what sources are there to prove the exodus happened?

The Old Testament.

[Kowani]

So you disagree with the evidence?

I think the past is very hard to gauge in a way that all things that have happened, can be recorded accurately or without information being lost to time (I think Arch at the very least would agree with that statement, at least by itself). And I think that the Exodus is too important an event to have not happened at all to any extent, even if it didn't happen exactly as it did in the book of Exodus.

The importance of an event in a narrative has no bearing on its historicity.

[Kowani]

No, I think he doesn’t take enough into account the total lack of any evidence.

Then what sources are there to prove the exodus happened?

I don’t believe in the Exodus.

[Thermodolia]

Question can anyone get a blessing or just catholics/Christians? Meaning that is it possible for I a Jew to get said blessing

Anyone can get a blessing, but fair warning to worship In a Christian Church would constitute idolatry in your faith.

I’m not worshiping there, I’m going to a wedding.

[Diarcesia]

A believer's defense, aside from their faith that God exists, is that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The same can be said for unicorns, fairies, elves, Minotaur, and all the other creatures we now associate with myths and legends.

I think we have reasonably scoured much of the planet to assume their nonexistence. Even then, there's a small chance that some of them might have a strong basis on reality (such as unicorns a long-extinct rhino species).

Or the other 4,000 or so gods that people have worshipped over the years

Yet the fact the ideals of God has changed with human and scientific advancement. People used to believe the gods lived on mountains, then in the sky, then in the stars, so on and so forth.
New information, greater knowledge, and empirical evidence allows humanity to adapt.

The burden of proof lays with the person trying to prove something, not the one to deny it.

Failing to prove God exists does not necessarily mean God does not exist.

Proving that God does not exist will do that. These are different things.

[Celritannia]

So you disagree with the evidence?

I think the past is very hard to gauge in a way that all things that have happened, can be recorded accurately or without information being lost to time (I think Arch at the very least would agree with that statement, at least by itself). And I think that the Exodus is too important an event to have not happened at all to any extent, even if it didn't happen exactly as it did in the book of Exodus.

Yet Egypt did not hold mass amounts of slaves, nor would they have the manpower to keep them in line.
In fact, ancient and medieval slave holdings were small and sparse.
All the monuments in Egypt were built by free Egyptians who received great care, and were honoured with burials where they worked.
IT wasn't until the transatlantic slave trade that we see mass slave holdings.

Robin Hood is a well known character, yet there is no evidence for his existence, same with King Arthur.

[Hanafuridake]

Wonder if he is in this video https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-501 ... d-in-egypt

He was in Ancient Aliens once, so he's told me.

Though considering he's an actual expert, I'm surprised he managed to get through all the pseudoscience.

[Aeritai]

I did some searching around the internet and found this neat website.

https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/ou ... -services/

Nice to know the Church is taking care of immigrants and provide for them.

[Tarsonis]

Anyone can get a blessing, but fair warning to worship In a Christian Church would constitute idolatry in your faith.

I’m not worshiping there, I’m going to a wedding.

There is usually a mass involved. I’d consult your Rabbi

[Diarcesia]

He was in Ancient Aliens once, so he's told me.

Though considering he's an actual expert, I'm surprised he managed to get through all the pseudoscience.

Wait, I did see an Ancient Aliens episode on Egypt. I may have seen him. Forgot which one.

[Tarsonis]

Wonder if he is in this video https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-501 ... d-in-egypt

He was in Ancient Aliens once, so he's told me.

He was. I’ve seen the episode, can’t remember which one.

[Celritannia]

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[Celritannia]

I think we have reasonably scoured much of the planet to assume their nonexistence. Even then, there's a small chance that some of them might have a strong basis on reality (such as unicorns a long-extinct rhino species).

Same can be said for the Abrahamic God.

Failing to prove God exists does not necessarily mean God does not exist.

Proving that God does not exist will do that. These are different things.

No, the burden of proof. It is your job to prove to me there is a God.
I do not need to believe in something until there is evidence. That's how the scientific principle works.
The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

[Celritannia]

He was in Ancient Aliens once, so he's told me.

He was. I’ve seen the episode, can’t remember which one.

I must see this now.

[Salus Maior]

He was in Ancient Aliens once, so he's told me.

Though considering he's an actual expert, I'm surprised he managed to get through all the pseudoscience.

Apparently he was the voice of reason in that show, but they cut out a lot of what he had to say.

[Diarcesia]

I think we have reasonably scoured much of the planet to assume their nonexistence. Even then, there's a small chance that some of them might have a strong basis on reality (such as unicorns a long-extinct rhino species).

Same can be said for the Abrahamic God.

Failing to prove God exists does not necessarily mean God does not exist.

Proving that God does not exist will do that. These are different things.

No, the burden of proof. It is your job to prove to me there is a God.
I do not need to believe in something until there is evidence. That's how the scientific principle works.
The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

I cannot prove it to you scientifically. He may or may not actually exist.

Given this, am I correct to think that your position is that he doesn't exist because there is no proof available?

[Celritannia]

Same can be said for the Abrahamic God.




No, the burden of proof. It is your job to prove to me there is a God.
I do not need to believe in something until there is evidence. That's how the scientific principle works.
The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

I cannot prove it to you scientifically. He may or may not actually exist.

Given this, am I correct to think that your position is that he doesn't exist because there is no proof available?

That is correct.
I'd be happy with clear evidence. Doesn't mean I'd worship him/her/them though.

[Hanafuridake]

Though considering he's an actual expert, I'm surprised he managed to get through all the pseudoscience.

Apparently he was the voice of reason in that show, but they cut out a lot of what he had to say.

Shame that that's legal.

[Northern Davincia]

Yes, they were. Idolatry is a sin. Human sacrifice is a sin. Advancement of a civilization or culture is not equivalent to virtue.
I am obligated to make others aware of their sins. Otherwise, they would continue sinning in ignorance, surrendering themselves to oblivion.

People having different gods is part of their culture.
Not every pagan society practised Human Sacrifice, it was extremely rare.
That's just your opinion.
And I have no care, and do not wish to be apart of this thing you call "saving me from myself".
To quote:

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius

Then their cultures are wrong. You having no care and Aurelius' quote are opinions as well, yet he at least expects virtue from mortals. You claiming subjectivity on all moral matters is tantamount to rejecting all virtue.

[Northern Davincia]

I cannot prove it to you scientifically. He may or may not actually exist.

Given this, am I correct to think that your position is that he doesn't exist because there is no proof available?

That is correct.
I'd be happy with clear evidence. Doesn't mean I'd worship him/her/them though.

Do you believe the universe is eternal, or does it have a beginning?

[Farnhamia]

So Judaism and Islam are satanic now?

In a way, yes. The phrase "Synagogue of Satan" did not originate from nowhere. Judaism nowadays is in error by ignoring the prophets, and Islam is based on the words of a false prophet.

Implying Judaism is akin to or connected to Satanism? *** Warned for trolling. ***

[Celritannia]

Then their cultures are wrong. You having no care and Aurelius' quote are opinions as well, yet he at least expects virtue from mortals. You claiming subjectivity on all moral matters is tantamount to rejecting all virtue.

Their cultures were not wrong.
And me not caring about what your religion says just means I do not care.
I have morals, virtues, and principles, but all without a need for any deity.

Do you believe the universe is eternal, or does it have a beginning?

Well, I think the proof of the Big Bang answers that.

[Celritannia]

In a way, yes. The phrase "Synagogue of Satan" did not originate from nowhere. Judaism nowadays is in error by ignoring the prophets, and Islam is based on the words of a false prophet.

Implying Judaism is akin to or connected to Satanism? *** Warned for trolling. ***

It may be the wording, but is this a warning that implies satanism is a bad religion?

[Farnhamia]

Implying Judaism is akin to or connected to Satanism? *** Warned for trolling. ***

It may be the wording, but is this a warning that implies satanism is a bad religion?

Individual cases are judged individually but a great many people do seem to have a negative opinion of Satanism.

[Celritannia]

It may be the wording, but is this a warning that implies satanism is a bad religion?

Individual cases are judged individually but a great many people do seem to have a negative opinion of Satanism.

This is true, which is why it seemed to be targeting Satanism.
But that was just from my observation.
Thank you for clearing that up for me