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No, status quo
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No, Quebec should have its autonomy reduced
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"Quebec is the favourite child of Canada" NB Premier says

Postby Maqkaradj » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:27 am

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-is-the-favourite-child-and-its-hurting-canada-new-brunswick-premier-says
https://www.news1.news/2019/10/quebec-is-canadas-favorite-child-the-premier-of-new-brunswick-complains.html

The Premier of the Canadian Province of New Brunswick, Blaine Higgs, has recently said that Federal political leaders treat Quebec with excessive favouritism while ignoring other areas of Canada such as the Atlantic coast or Alberta.

Personally speaking, Higgs is not only the Premier of my province, but also my Provincial MP. Although I have my reservations about him, I do agree with him on this. Quebec has for far too long been given concessions and support by the Federal government at the expense of the rest of the country.

What do Canadian and non-Canadian NSG's think of this?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:36 am

Quebec should be an independent nation state.

This thread needs a good Poll if the OP agrees ?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:50 am

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=467837

There’s already a thread for Canadian politics
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:57 am

Thermodolia wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=467837

There’s already a thread for Canadian politics

I think all threads have their own unique value, I like this thread, this thread is not about who should be the next Prime Minister of Canada. This thread is about Quebec.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:00 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=467837

There’s already a thread for Canadian politics

I think all threads have their own unique value, I like this thread, this thread is not about who should be the next Prime Minister of Canada.


Yes, but this is still related to Canadian Politics, therefore this should still go in the Canadian Politics thread. That thread’s purpose is to lump all the events in one thread to not clutter up the forum.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:01 am

Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I think all threads have their own unique value, I like this thread, this thread is not about who should be the next Prime Minister of Canada.


Yes, but this is still related to Canadian Politics, therefore this should still go in the Canadian Politics thread. That thread’s purpose is to lump all the events in one thread to not clutter up the forum.

Thank you for saying yes to my statement, I strongly disagree with you and Thermy.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:06 am

Maqkaradj wrote:https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-is-the-favourite-child-and-its-hurting-canada-new-brunswick-premier-says
https://www.news1.news/2019/10/quebec-is-canadas-favorite-child-the-premier-of-new-brunswick-complains.html

The Premier of the Canadian Province of New Brunswick, Blaine Higgs, has recently said that Federal political leaders treat Quebec with excessive favouritism while ignoring other areas of Canada such as the Atlantic coast or Alberta.

Personally speaking, Higgs is not only the Premier of my province, but also my Provincial MP. Although I have my reservations about him, I do agree with him on this. Quebec has for far too long been given concessions and support by the Federal government at the expense of the rest of the country.

What do Canadian and non-Canadian NSG's think of this?

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Quebec has for far too long been given concessions and support by the Federal government at the expense of the rest of the country.

Like recognizing French as an official language of Quebec, if Quebec is part of Canada English should be the official language of Quebec and all provinces of Canada.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:14 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:
Yes, but this is still related to Canadian Politics, therefore this should still go in the Canadian Politics thread. That thread’s purpose is to lump all the events in one thread to not clutter up the forum.

Thank you for saying yes to my statement, I strongly disagree with you and Thermy.

Doesn’t matter. The rules are rules. There is already a thread for Canadian politics. Everything regarding Canadian politics must go there. If you post a thread like this one outside of the Canadian politics thread that is considered spam
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:17 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Thank you for saying yes to my statement, I strongly disagree with you and Thermy.

Doesn’t matter. The rules are rules. There is already a thread for Canadian politics. Everything regarding Canadian politics must go there. If you post a thread like this one outside of the Canadian politics thread that is considered spam


Thermy summed it up really well. This really should go in the Canadian politics thread, otherwise the forum would be too messy to handle.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:29 am

Maqkaradj wrote:https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-is-the-favourite-child-and-its-hurting-canada-new-brunswick-premier-says
https://www.news1.news/2019/10/quebec-is-canadas-favorite-child-the-premier-of-new-brunswick-complains.html

The Premier of the Canadian Province of New Brunswick, Blaine Higgs, has recently said that Federal political leaders treat Quebec with excessive favouritism while ignoring other areas of Canada such as the Atlantic coast or Alberta.

Personally speaking, Higgs is not only the Premier of my province, but also my Provincial MP. Although I have my reservations about him, I do agree with him on this. Quebec has for far too long been given concessions and support by the Federal government at the expense of the rest of the country.

What do Canadian and non-Canadian NSG's think of this?

https://quebecsovereigntymovement-info. ... -cons.html
I found this site on the benefits and non benefits of Quebec in Canada, I don't like the format but I like the comments, I will post a few of the comments, you can see the rest of the comments on the link:

I found this other site - Is Quebec subsidized by the rest of Canada:
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... est-canada
Let’s introduce some clarity to these Quebec claims: Taxpayers in every province pay federal taxes but that doesn’t mean certain provinces are not subsidized by taxpayers in another. It matters where federal taxes originate and where they are later spent, on a net basis.

Quebec will need to depend on other countries (nations) for crops, Quebec will loose allies and trade.

If Quebec separates, it will stop getting the 4 to 8 dollars for the government of Canada.

Canada`s population decreases Other provinces might consider leaving after Quebec.

This thread needs a good Poll if the OP agrees?
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:35 am

Maqkaradj wrote:https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-is-the-favourite-child-and-its-hurting-canada-new-brunswick-premier-says
https://www.news1.news/2019/10/quebec-is-canadas-favorite-child-the-premier-of-new-brunswick-complains.html

The Premier of the Canadian Province of New Brunswick, Blaine Higgs, has recently said that Federal political leaders treat Quebec with excessive favouritism while ignoring other areas of Canada such as the Atlantic coast or Alberta.

Personally speaking, Higgs is not only the Premier of my province, but also my Provincial MP. Although I have my reservations about him, I do agree with him on this. Quebec has for far too long been given concessions and support by the Federal government at the expense of the rest of the country.

What do Canadian and non-Canadian NSG's think of this?

I think it's quite accurate. Quebec gets away with far more bullshit than any other province.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:36 am

Thermodolia wrote:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=467837

There’s already a thread for Canadian politics

Yeah we should probably move away from moving everything to the megathreads. And as long as the mods don't move it, well then I guess it stays.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:38 am

I have to agree the National government of Canada bends over backwards for Quebec. Stop treating them with kid gloves if they rebel get 1860s on them and outlaw French.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:40 am

I totally agree. Quebec and French-speakers have a disproportionate amount of power in Canada to the majority Anglos. They should not be given special privileges just because they were one of the founding peoples of Canada. That was then, this is now, and now there’s more people from other places.

Oh, and politicians having to learn French is also stupid. If I live in Saskatchewan, why should I have to learn a language that almost nobody else from Saskatchewan speaks?
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Pacomia wrote:I totally agree. Quebec and French-speakers have a disproportionate amount of power in Canada to the majority Anglos. They should not be given special privileges just because they were one of the founding peoples of Canada. That was then, this is now, and now there’s more people from other places.

Oh, and politicians having to learn French is also stupid. If I live in Saskatchewan, why should I have to learn a language that almost nobody else from Saskatchewan speaks?

This is the big reason why Quebec has so much power and influence in Canada now - significantly more French-Canadians are English-French bilingual than Anglo-Canadians, and that requirement makes them over-represented in government.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:21 am

Quebec isn't the favorite child.

It's the bratty stepchild that Canada spoils because it wants Quebec to like them.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:23 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:Quebec isn't the favorite child.

It's the bratty stepchild that Canada spoils because it wants Quebec to like them.

And Quebec still treats them like shit but also still expects Canada to spoil them more.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:32 am

Pacomia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Quebec isn't the favorite child.

It's the bratty stepchild that Canada spoils because it wants Quebec to like them.

And Quebec still treats them like shit but also still expects Canada to spoil them more.

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:40 am

The whole Quebec situation seems horrid to me. Canadian governments from the present back to confederation, and British governments prior to that, have been persistently tolerant and accommodating to Quebec, and the need for bilingualism across every level of government has a rank tang of elitism about it. It gives Quebec a degree of advantage in government which seems, to me as an outsider, corrosive to Canada's democracy.

I won't profess to be an expert on the matter, but considering how chauvinistic the Quebecois can be, and my experiences seeing how Scottish and Welsh separatists/chauvinists behave over here, I can definitely understand your frustration.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:07 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Quebec should be an independent nation state.overseas region of France, hon hon hon.

Fixed.
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Postby Miami Shores » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:19 am

Risottia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Quebec should be an independent nation state.overseas region of France, hon hon hon.

Fixed.

I also support this idea Risottia, Province or region as you say.

How dare I try to get any fellow nations General and RP Threads locked as has been done to me many times, I once posted a general forum thread and 2 fellow nations tried to get it locked because they felt it to bloggy and spammy, after they lost the case they had the nerve to come on my thread and post their views on a thread they considered too bloggy and spammy and could not post on the first time, lol that was a classic, but I hold no grudges against them. GMS Alberto.

But I recognize and accept they have a right too, I think all threads have their own unique value and this thread is not about who should be the next Prime Minister of Canada, this thread is about Quebec.
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Postby Maqkaradj » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:20 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Quebec should be an independent nation state.

This thread needs a good Poll if the OP agrees ?


Thank you for the advice, i have put up a poll.

Quebec would not survive as an independent country, they are still adamant about keeping the dollar after independence and rely on a lot of support from Canada. Besides they'd split Canada into two parts and would have negotiate a bunch of shit with the US and Canada. Also interestingly, the majority of Quebecois do not support it and about 71% of French-Canadians outside of Quebec are against it.

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Postby American Pere Housh » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:24 am

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:24 am

Miami Shores wrote:
Risottia wrote:Fixed.

I also support this idea Risottia, Province or region as you say.

How dare I try to get any fellow nations General and RP Threads locked as has been done to me many times, I once posted a general forum thread and 2 fellow nations tried to get it locked because they felt it to bloggy and spammy, after they lost the case they had the nerve to come on my thread and post their views on a thread they considered too bloggy and spammy and could not post on the first time, lol that was a classic, but I hold no grudges against them. GMS Alberto.

But I recognize and accept they have a right too, I think all threads have their own unique value and this thread is not about who should be the next Prime Minister of Canada, this thread is about Quebec.

I'm not going to roll this is up into Canadian politics, not right now, anyway, but that thread is not only about who will be the next Prime Minister of Canada. It's about Canadian politics, which covers a lot of territory.
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