Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[Chernoslavia]

I laugh at some of the so called microagressions.

And are you a minority?

Why should he have to? Are you implying that only non-minorities face microagressions?

[Uiiop]

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1. Did it increase the students' chances of getting productive jobs? Schools are supposed to make citizens more productive.

I mean, that wasn’t the point of the what the study was looking for, but probably? It did increase GPA by an average of 1.2, which, while sounding small, is actually really good. So, yes.

2. Did it teach children to ignore unalterable characteristics such as race/ethnicity and judge solely on merit? A moral, united society tends to do better than an immoral, divided one.

Ignoring ethnicity doesn’t make discrimination go away. It just closes one’s eyes to the problem.

3. Were other factors considered? What was the sample size? Statistics can be easily manipulated.

Read the study I gave you, don’t ask me to do your work for you.

The article doesn't provide a link to said study and said it hasn't gone through Peer review yet.

[Geneviev]

That's ridiculous. It's math, and math isn't religious yet.

Pfft, try telling the French that during the Revolution.

They accepted sciences eventually.

[New haven america]

Pfft, try telling the French that during the Revolution.

They accepted sciences eventually.

I see you missed that reference.

[Chernoslavia]

How the fuck does one unintentionally participate in prejudice?

Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

[Sovaal]

I laugh at some of the so called microagressions.

And are you a minority?

The individual is the smallest minority possible.

[Uiiop]

I mean, that wasn’t the point of the what the study was looking for, but probably? It did increase GPA by an average of 1.2, which, while sounding small, is actually really good. So, yes.

Ignoring ethnicity doesn’t make discrimination go away. It just closes one’s eyes to the problem.
Read the study I gave you, don’t ask me to do your work for you.

The article doesn't provide a link to said study and said it hasn't gone through Peer review yet.

Nvm got it

[Kubra]

That's ridiculous. It's math, and math isn't religious yet.

Pfft, try telling the French that during the Revolution.

say what you will about the revolution, decimal calendars were a good gosh darn idea.

[Liriena]

I'm gonna be that postmodern bitch and argue that all education is inherently political no matter what you do or don't do so pfffffff

Go right ahead sweatheart.

A couple things to keep in mind:

1. Political is not synonymous with partisan politics or even specific self-identified political movements.
2. The absense of explicit mentions of things like gender, ethnicity, class, etc., in any field of study does not mean that those things are not already factors in that field. Silence is not apolitical. What we perceive as silence, as the apparent lack of "politics" or "ideology", more often than not is a dominant ideology (with all its material aspects) which we've learned not to perceive as anything but just the way things inherently are.
3. Maths being a hard or exact science doesn't mean it exists outside of human history. We just treat it like it is, with no small amount of help from the fact that its method and its field of study make that perception easier to accept. After all, in maths, we're supposedly just looking at symbols that supposedly represent nothing real, concrete or relevant to anything other than themselves. At most, we'll use a hypothetical concrete object as an example. Buuuuuuut what people do with maths is never apolitical. How we teach maths is never apolitical. And self-identification as "apolitical" is never trustworthy.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I laugh at some of the so called microagressions.

And are you a minority?

I'm an atheist and the ones I mocked were supposed to prevent atheists from being offended, so maybe in that one category I'm a "minority." Some "microagressions" really are not offensive.

[Kowani]

The article doesn't provide a link to said study and said it hasn't gone through Peer review yet.

Nvm got it

Alright.

[Kowani]

Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

Flying goalposts.

[Uiiop]

Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

And how that does that or Liber argument not concede the general point of unintentionally participation prejudice?

[Galloism]

So it’s a crusade against round numbers?

Do you know what a cubit is?

I'm aware that it's pretty variable, but if measured by the same person, it would be enough of a static unit to not justify the 4.5% decrease in pi.

Not really - at the time a measurement of decisively over half a forearm or so would be rounded. You’re also missing inside and outside measurements, forgetting the rim.

https://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm

Besides that, even not giving the generous assumption of inside and outside circumference, cubits were often rounded. 9.6 would be recorded as 10, while 30.1 would be recorded as 30. The ratio between those two numbers is about 3.14.

[Cekoviu]

And are you a minority?

Why should he have to? Are you implying that only non-minorities face microagressions?

No, that would be insane. Minorities experience them way more frequently.

Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

Examples on the first, you're incorrect on the second.

And are you a minority?

The individual is the smallest minority possible.

That's a deep quote. What's the point?

[Chernoslavia]

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

And how that does that or Liber argument not concede the general point of unintentionally participation prejudice?

I guess it does. I'm just saying micro aggressions don't matter.

[Cekoviu]

I'm aware that it's pretty variable, but if measured by the same person, it would be enough of a static unit to not justify the 4.5% decrease in pi.

Not really - at the time a measurement of decisively over half a forearm or so would be rounded. You’re also missing inside and outside measurements, forgetting the rim.

Unless I'm missing something, the rim would increase the disparity between pi and the calculated number, not increase it.

Besides that, even not giving the generous assumption of inside and outside circumference, cubits were often rounded. 9.6 would be recorded as 10, while 30.1 would be recorded as 30. The ratio between those two numbers is about 3.14.

For something considered to be the holy and infallible word of God, there sure is a lot of rounding error.

[Liriena]

I don't see why. I'd think that they'd consider it important to educate white students as well so they could avoid participating in the prejudice.

How the fuck does one unintentionally participate in prejudice?

Usually by being ignorant?

Everyone has biases, unconscious or otherwise. The vast majority of us carry with us a ton of social, cultural, political and economic baggage, much of which we are not taught to notice and examine critically.

This is not a moral failing. Someone who is homophobic because they just don't know the implications of their disdain for gay people is not necessarily a bad person. A bad person would be someone who takes that bias and turns it into something conscious and active. An eight-year-old using "gay" as an insult in the 90s most likely had no real understanding of why they felt "gay" was a negative thing beyond what they'd unknowingly absorbed through their culture. But a grown adult who has had the mental development, the education and the opportunity to examine that prejudice, and decides to actively seek to be a dick towards gay people... that's a moral failing.

[Cekoviu]

And how that does that or Liber argument not concede the general point of unintentionally participation prejudice?

I guess it does. I'm just saying micro aggressions don't matter.

That's typically thought because they're considered tiny. The issue is that they don't occur in a vacuum, they pile up. They're like mayflies in the summer.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

And how that does that or Liber argument not concede the general point of unintentionally participation prejudice?

I guess it does. I'm just saying micro aggressions don't matter.

I'm sure some do, but most don't. Asking someone their place of birth is an example of one that doesn't matter.

[Kowani]

And how that does that or Liber argument not concede the general point of unintentionally participation prejudice?

I guess it does. I'm just saying micro aggressions don't matter.

Objectively Wrong.

[Galloism]

Not really - at the time a measurement of decisively over half a forearm or so would be rounded. You’re also missing inside and outside measurements, forgetting the rim.

Unless I'm missing something, the rim would increase the disparity between pi and the calculated number, not increase it.

Actually no.

The circumference is not specified as being the inner or outer circumference, but since using the outer circumference would give us the "ideal" bowl (with no width or thickness), let's instead use the inner circumference, which also, reasonably, would have been the circumference of the mold used to form the inside of the bowl. That is, we will use the two measurements which were necessary for the casting of the piece. Copyright © Elizabeth Stapel 2002-2011 All Rights Reserved

Using eighteen inches for one cubit, we have the following:

outer diameter: 10 cubits, or 180 inches
outer radius: 5 cubits, or 90 inches
inner circumference: 30 cubits, or 540 inches
To find the "Jewish" or "Bible" value for pi, we need to have the inner radius. Once we have that value, we can plug it into the formula for the circumference and compare with the given circumference value of 540 inches.

Since the thickness of the bowl is given as one handsbreadth, then the inner radius must be:

90 – 4 = 86 inches
Let's do the calculations:

inner radius: 86 inches
inner circumference: 540 inches



The inner radius and the inner circumference.
The circumference formula is C = 2(pi)r, which gives us:

540 = 2(pi)(86)
540 = 172(pi)
Solving, we get pi = 540/172 = 135/43 = 3.1395348837..., or about 3.14.

Um... Isn't "3.14" the approximation we all use for pi? Perhaps those Phoenicians were fairly accurate after all.

Besides that, even not giving the generous assumption of inside and outside circumference, cubits were often rounded. 9.6 would be recorded as 10, while 30.1 would be recorded as 30. The ratio between those two numbers is about 3.14.

For something considered to be the holy and infallible word of God, there sure is a lot of rounding error.

Well, they didn’t exactly have standardized tape measures from Home Depot.

It’s a record by men using tools they had at the time. Not a prophecy.

[Liriena]

I guess it does. I'm just saying micro aggressions don't matter.

I'm sure some do, but most don't. Asking someone their place of birth is an example of one that doesn't matter.

That's... kind of the whole point behind calling them "micro"? That they don't have a huge effect individually, but rather cumulatively?

A well-meaning acquaintance making a mildly annoying comment won't ruin your life... but combine that with hundreds, if not thousands of similar comments ever year, and it starts to take its toll, even subconsciously.

[Liriena]

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful.

Indeed. I have an unconscious bias against the English and that's actually very good.

[Chernoslavia]

Why should he have to? Are you implying that only non-minorities face microagressions?

No, that would be insane. Minorities experience them way more frequently.

Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

Examples on the first, you're incorrect on the second.

The individual is the smallest minority possible.

That's a deep quote. What's the point?

How is it harmful or ''prejudice'' for someone to think that black people like fried chicken? Nope, it's called growing thicker skin.