New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[Plzen]

Shit, true sailing tech for cogs and caravels are just experimental boats in hopes of reaching to India better than in further hopes of colonizing the islands between the Middle East and India and prepare for their Imperial Age. I mean Europe gets all the cool toys while Asia is non-existent and the Near East continuously lags behind.

Quantity, 'tis said, has a quality all of its own.

Throw bodies at Europe until Europe runs out of arrows.

[Ralnis]

Shit, true sailing tech for cogs and caravels are just experimental boats in hopes of reaching to India better than in further hopes of colonizing the islands between the Middle East and India and prepare for their Imperial Age. I mean Europe gets all the cool toys while Asia is non-existent and the Near East continuously lags behind.

Quantity, 'tis said, has a quality all of its own.

Throw bodies at Europe until Europe runs out of arrows.

Sumerians are greedy, not suicidal.

[Alaroma]

I am jealous everyone has steel yet me and Universal barely got basic ironworking.

Oh fuck you I barely have a state and horses.

But Plzen, think of the business opportunities.

Eunuchs make good guards and advisors. The Commonwealth-Nara eunuch trade is a gold mine waiting to happen.

I don't know why, but I feel attacked by this.

I'm going to crack down on this type of Slavery later

[Plzen]

But Plzen, think of the business opportunities.

Eunuchs make good guards and advisors. The Commonwealth-Nara eunuch trade is a gold mine waiting to happen.

When I said girls should stick together, this isn’t exactly what I had in mind.

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Joohan, if you’ve got the spare energy, now would be a good time to throw us some random events to play with.

[Alaroma]

But Plzen, think of the business opportunities.

Eunuchs make good guards and advisors. The Commonwealth-Nara eunuch trade is a gold mine waiting to happen.

When I said girls should stick together, this isn’t exactly what I had in mind.

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Joohan, if you’ve got the spare energy, now would be a good time to throw us some random events to play with.

I'm really beginning to question if Grace isn't the most evil. Issac looks down right benovolent at this point.

And yeah, events would be interesting I suppose.

[UniversalCommons]

I am jealous everyone has steel yet me and Universal barely got basic ironworking.

There are a lot of things which I have failed at which I would like to turn over to your scholars-- we would have some glass beads which could potentially be refined into clear glass. I have a warehouse of failures. Things like half finished pieces of crossbows-- I could never get the trigger mechanism right. There would be iron sand which could lead to some interesting developments. The iron sand from the black sea is magnetite. Also failed attempts at linothrax-- linen and glue armor. Bad formulas for things like makeup, resins, and other things. Half baked ideas. Attempts at early treadmills which I would not have the engineering skills to build, an attempt at an abacus which I could never get the description right for. Lots of proposed disasters. Also notebooks with ideas that went nowhere like an early lens which we never had the glass for. More than half of it would be a little cracked.

[Kelmet]

Just over here sitting on a mountain of reforms, policy's and plans.....

[Plzen]

Just over here sitting on a mountain of reforms, policy's and plans.....

I'm sitting on my own mountain here.

Alongside a crippling lack of creative energy to design IC posts to go along with them and a crippling lack of mental fortitude to sit down and get those written.

[Kelmet]

Just over here sitting on a mountain of reforms, policy's and plans.....

I'm sitting on my own mountain here.

Alongside a crippling lack of creative energy to design IC posts to go along with them and a crippling lack of mental fortitude to sit down and get those written.

I totally 100% understanding why G is so hesitant to give me and combined political and military power I really do.

But the imperium and V himself would be better for it.

[Ralnis]

I am jealous everyone has steel yet me and Universal barely got basic ironworking.

There are a lot of things which I have failed at which I would like to turn over to your scholars-- we would have some glass beads which could potentially be refined into clear glass. I have a warehouse of failures. Things like half finished pieces of crossbows-- I could never get the trigger mechanism right. There would be iron sand which could lead to some interesting developments. The iron sand from the black sea is magnetite. Also failed attempts at linothrax-- linen and glue armor. Bad formulas for things like makeup, resins, and other things. Half baked ideas. Attempts at early treadmills which I would not have the engineering skills to build, an attempt at an abacus which I could never get the description right for. Lots of proposed disasters. Also notebooks with ideas that went nowhere like an early lens which we never had the glass for. More than half of it would be a little cracked.

Crossbows and medieval tech are one of the places I shine in. Mostly since I knew how to build crossbows and their variants when working at Medieval fairs and did a good study on them. So when Sumer becomes more entrench into the tech tree then I can start to really produce some good tech. Though I don't know why you need treadmills unless its to have more human power to it. Hell, the human-powered boats are used via paddles and bicycles with flywheels as a sort of luxury sport, not for commercial or military practicality. So I don't know how many of those half-baked ideas would be used not as luxury tech or practical tech but I'm sure some things could be progressed.

I am jealous everyone has steel yet me and Universal barely got basic ironworking.

Oh fuck you I barely have a state and horses.

Don't make me crash your economy.

[Bortslovakia]

Mind you, the average Irish ship is still going to only have a crew of like 70-80. And those ships that do have 120-150 are primarily made up of oarsmen, usually employed from tribes in Britain, or along the coast of western Europe. There are exceptions of course, such as purpose built warships, and on average the Irish strategy is definitely focused on larger craft. The comparison between the Commonwealth and Hibernia would probably be galleys v heavies in eu4 (minus the fact heavy ships are stupidly OP).

...I don't think that comparison works at all. Galleys tend to be small, rowed craft and heavies are large, exclusively-sailed craft. In this case we have larger ships with oars against smaller, exclusively-sailed ships.

From the perspective of the Commonwealth, putting another 50 or 60 people on a ship for benefits that are extremely marginal except in unfavourable weather conditions is just not worth doing. Given 80 crew, we'd rather put 2~3 properly-sized and armed sailing warships on the waves, instead of putting those 80 on the same ship and expecting them to row.

We use lateen sails for a reason

Yeah, that's what I expected... but it doesn't hurt to ask. I've nothing to lose if you say yes and everything to gain if it turns out you didn't.

I think the comparison is perfectly apt. In eu4, both are combat ships. Galleys are cheaper, faster, and require less crew. The point isn't the semantics so much as the design philosophy.

Anyways, I imagine the Imperium wouldn't immediately realize that tacking is beneficial, since river travel kind of forces a roughly straight line. Of course, the moment Viktor is on a boat heading towards the wind, he'll probably notice that oars are inefficient. Not sure about his nautical knowledge beyond that

When I said girls should stick together, this isn’t exactly what I had in mind.

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Joohan, if you’ve got the spare energy, now would be a good time to throw us some random events to play with.

I'm really beginning to question if Grace isn't the most evil. Issac looks down right benovolent at this point.

And yeah, events would be interesting I suppose.

Issac murders entire villages, and enslaves their women so they can make babies. Grace cut off the dicks of a few traitors. Insane as she is, so far it's been a one time deal, while Icedonia considers war crimes to be state policy.

If this eunuch trade becomes an actual thing though, I'm all for helping you burn a few Japanese ports

[Plzen]

If this eunuch trade becomes an actual thing though, I'm all for helping you burn a few Japanese ports

If you send a significant portion of your navy to Asia, that be a good time to grab me some more rocks.

[Hanafuridake]

But Plzen, think of the business opportunities.

Eunuchs make good guards and advisors. The Commonwealth-Nara eunuch trade is a gold mine waiting to happen.

I don't know why, but I feel attacked by this.

Issac: I can burn your islands to the ground.
Grace: Look at the men around you Issac. Do they seem.... different? Like something's missing?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Anyways, I imagine the Imperium wouldn't immediately realize that tacking is beneficial, since river travel kind of forces a roughly straight line. Of course, the moment Viktor is on a boat heading towards the wind, he'll probably notice that oars are inefficient. Not sure about his nautical knowledge beyond that

Actually, it is much the opposite - more maneuverable rigging is really what you want for river travel, because rivers suck at flowing straight. If you only rely on a running rig for riparian transit, you'll be in a sorry way in no time, grounded or forced to row like buggers. I'd imagine most, if not all, of the Imperium's shipping is lateen rigged, simply because trying to work your way up or downriver only sailing downwind will drive you mad in short order.

[Ralnis]

I don't know why, but I feel attacked by this.

Issac: I can burn your islands to the ground.
Grace: Look at the men around you Issac. Do they seem.... different? Like something's missing?

Luther: Unleash the Black Ships! It's time to exploitcivilize these barbarians!

[Alaroma]

...I don't think that comparison works at all. Galleys tend to be small, rowed craft and heavies are large, exclusively-sailed craft. In this case we have larger ships with oars against smaller, exclusively-sailed ships.

From the perspective of the Commonwealth, putting another 50 or 60 people on a ship for benefits that are extremely marginal except in unfavourable weather conditions is just not worth doing. Given 80 crew, we'd rather put 2~3 properly-sized and armed sailing warships on the waves, instead of putting those 80 on the same ship and expecting them to row.


Yeah, that's what I expected... but it doesn't hurt to ask. I've nothing to lose if you say yes and everything to gain if it turns out you didn't.

I think the comparison is perfectly apt. In eu4, both are combat ships. Galleys are cheaper, faster, and require less crew. The point isn't the semantics so much as the design philosophy.

Anyways, I imagine the Imperium wouldn't immediately realize that tacking is beneficial, since river travel kind of forces a roughly straight line. Of course, the moment Viktor is on a boat heading towards the wind, he'll probably notice that oars are inefficient. Not sure about his nautical knowledge beyond that

I'm really beginning to question if Grace isn't the most evil. Issac looks down right benovolent at this point.

And yeah, events would be interesting I suppose.

Issac murders entire villages, and enslaves their women so they can make babies. Grace cut off the dicks of a few traitors. Insane as she is, so far it's been a one time deal, while Icedonia considers war crimes to be state policy.

If this eunuch trade becomes an actual thing though, I'm all for helping you burn a few Japanese ports

Frankly, as fun as that sounds, might have to wait a few centuries.

[Bortslovakia]

Anyways, I imagine the Imperium wouldn't immediately realize that tacking is beneficial, since river travel kind of forces a roughly straight line. Of course, the moment Viktor is on a boat heading towards the wind, he'll probably notice that oars are inefficient. Not sure about his nautical knowledge beyond that

Actually, it is much the opposite - more maneuverable rigging is really what you want for river travel, because rivers suck at flowing straight. If you only rely on a running rig for riparian transit, you'll be in a sorry way in no time, grounded or forced to row like buggers. I'd imagine most, if not all, of the Imperium's shipping is lateen rigged, simply because trying to work your way up or downriver only sailing downwind will drive you mad in short order.

Fair enough. I suppose the Elbe is wide enough to tack efficiently, especially since no one can really field massive ships quite yet.

[Joohan]

I don't know why, but I feel attacked by this.

Issac: I can burn your islands to the ground.
Grace: Look at the men around you Issac. Do they seem.... different? Like something's missing?

...is it Virtue?

[Joohan]

That's sound's good. I didn't know if steel was a closely guarded resource like it is in the Imperium. Tamed horses are our equivalent to steel then ( rearing horses being something that I actually am well acquainted with ).

As for the ships based off the Queen's Dance, we've probably built their number in like the single digits - and have distributed them to Service approved merchants. Question though, what's the maximum of cargo and men that one of these ships can hold? I'd imagine anything meant to carry a horse or two would need to be somewhat sizable.

Yeah the Queen's Dance is the equivalent of a racing sloop, designed for fast transport of important individuals. It has enough hullspace for supplies, and little more (though it does have a rather large strongbox for its guests). Steel isn't too guarded, since it's frankly in such low supply that the market can't really be flooded. Plus Hibernia is not nearly as stingy with its tech.

For ship size, that really depends. Like I said earlier, as of this timeskip we've started implemented proper ship classes. The average Trireme had a crew of 200, with most being rowers. Thanks to the lateen sail, we don't need to rely on rowers nearly as much. Pre timeskip, I'd say an Irish longship had a maximum compliment of 120. Merchant ships have likely gotten significantly larger since then. So probably 150-200. The largest can probably carry two to three horses, with little else beyond necessary supplies for the journey. I imagine horse merchants would sell other high demand luxury goods as well, to maximize their profits per trip.

Just a thought, some joint Icedonian-Hibernian private ventures could be a thing in the future. It's already happened with the Commonwealth, and there's more profit to be made for merchants by working together.

Oh... well then. I'd imagine that, over the last few years, we would have created some ships of size. Racing sloops are... nice. But we'd need something significantly larger just to transport goods. Would it be far off to assume we learned how to craft ships similar to the larger variants you field? Cause like... I don't know about a horse on a racing sloop fam.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh... well then. I'd imagine that, over the last few years, we would have created some ships of size. Racing sloops are... nice. But we'd need something significantly larger just to transport goods. Would it be far off to assume we learned how to craft ships similar to the larger variants you field? Cause like... I don't know about a horse on a racing sloop fam.

Functionally, the real thing for shipbuilding to master is wood-steaming and clinker-construction, both techniques of which are identical between that sort of sloop and a larger ship. You will run into some structural issues, of course, but trial and error will get you through a few failures with enough investment of resources.

[Joohan]

Oh... well then. I'd imagine that, over the last few years, we would have created some ships of size. Racing sloops are... nice. But we'd need something significantly larger just to transport goods. Would it be far off to assume we learned how to craft ships similar to the larger variants you field? Cause like... I don't know about a horse on a racing sloop fam.

Functionally, the real thing for shipbuilding to master is wood-steaming and clinker-construction, both techniques of which are identical between that sort of sloop and a larger ship. You will run into some structural issues, of course, but trial and error will get you through a few failures with enough investment of resources.

I've no doubt that, eventually, I could make a reputable ship on my own. The whole process would just go along a lot faster if I simply copy some of the Hibernian designs.

[Kelmet]

So, when do you all think we will discover we are immortal?

[Plzen]

So, when do you all think we will discover we are immortal?

I've already hinted it at my last IC post.

The immortal lineage of Rose.

[Hanafuridake]

I'm all for helping you burn a few Japanese ports

Grace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2w7z0aB3l0

[Joohan]

So, when do you all think we will discover we are immortal?

I'll have had a minor mental breakdown over this timeskip. Kinda realizing that something is wrong, and how even though i'm 40 I still look and feel like a 19 year old.