Hong Kong

[LiberNovusAmericae]

And that wouldn't be happening if peaceful dissent was allowed.

It was allowed

Otherwise the protests would have long ago stopped

They haven't stopped, as they are simply more powerful than the police. The police have been cracking down.

[Infected Mushroom]

This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

And if China had allowed peaceful dissent, and actually listened, that wouldn’t have happened.

If the people can disobey and make demands, then there will be no end to dissent and protests

This is exactly how western civilization has begun to decline

[Duhon]

when those in power are themselves corrupt and at any rate unaccountable
when those in power would seek fit to seek you out and send you off because you spend time on this specific thread entertaining our attacks on your country
law and order ain't shit

This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

remember when you had to fuck off this thread for a bit because surveillance?
you were and are not in league with the protesters
yet you thought it best not to post here out of fear for your safety
that's why i say law and order in china or hk ain't shit
for it's not even protecting you
loyalist to blood and iron as you are

[Infected Mushroom]

It was allowed

Otherwise the protests would have long ago stopped

They haven't stopped, as they are simply more powerful than the police. The police have been cracking down.

The police have not yet gone with the arrest on sight policy

They are holding back for now

Since we lack the prison infrastructure... I think it’s time to get reinforcements from the mainland

[LiberNovusAmericae]

And if China had allowed peaceful dissent, and actually listened, that wouldn’t have happened.

If the people can disobey and make demands, then there will be no end to dissent and protests

This is exactly how western civilization has begun to decline

[Plzen]

Western civilisation has begun to decline?

Since when?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

They haven't stopped, as they are simply more powerful than the police. The police have been cracking down.

The police have not yet gone with the arrest on sight policy

They are holding back for now

Since we lack the prison infrastructure... I think it’s time to get reinforcements from the mainland

If you send in the tanks, I say it is time for a revolution.

[Infected Mushroom]

The police have not yet gone with the arrest on sight policy

They are holding back for now

Since we lack the prison infrastructure... I think it’s time to get reinforcements from the mainland

If you send in the tanks, I say it is time for a revolution.

If tanks are deployed, it will end like Tienamen

A reassertion of the government’s authority (albeit at a cost in human lives)

But again... if it’s what it takes

[Kowani]

And if China had allowed peaceful dissent, and actually listened, that wouldn’t have happened.

If the people can disobey and make demands, then there will be no end to dissent and protests

This is exactly how western civilization has begun to decline

Congratulations, none of what you said was right. There will always be dissent. The state cannot win without addressing the cause. It never can, short of killing everyone. In contests of the people versus the government, regardless of the legality of dissent, the government never wins.

As for western civilization…what in the name of fuck are you talking about?

[Nakena]

As for western civilization…what in the name of fuck are you talking about?

My guess would be decolonization.

[Relikai]

There's no need for interference from Beijing.

Hong Kong's losing its own prestige by its own doing.

The UK's more interested in doing business with Shanghai's Stock Exchange as it's gateway into East Asia than Hong Kong.

Investments are falling and money's being transferred elsewhere with escalation on both sides.

A military crackdown would only cause the extremists to go further than they already did, and global prestige would be affected.

So no. No need to send in a single PLA trooper. For them, just letting Hong Kong grind itself down to the dust would be the best way forward.

After all, and it's something many NSers may not know, is that Hong Kong need China to survive, and the World's more interested in China than Hong Kong.

[Duhon]

Western civilisation has begun to decline?

Since when?

since people began to have wills thoughts personalities
differing from [insert authoritarian here]
and his ten thousand thoughts

truly
human volition was a mistake
all should move as one

...

meh
just kill all but one
that would take care of disobedience
people can't defy if they don't exist

[Infected Mushroom]

If the people can disobey and make demands, then there will be no end to dissent and protests

This is exactly how western civilization has begun to decline

Congratulations, none of what you said was right. There will always be dissent. The state cannot win without addressing the cause. It never can, short of killing everyone. In contests of the people versus the government, regardless of the legality of dissent, the government never wins.

As for western civilization…what in the name of fuck are you talking about?

Dissent is okay.

Smashing up train stations, throwing Molotovs, making threats to burn malls down, shutting airports down, and attacking
people is not

I think Its time for a military deployment to stop this

[True Refuge]

when those in power are themselves corrupt and at any rate unaccountable
when those in power would seek fit to seek you out and send you off because you spend time on this specific thread entertaining our attacks on your country
law and order ain't shit

This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

A few dozen pages ago, I asked for some kind of statistical analysis on this.

I’m still waiting.

[Infected Mushroom]

This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

A few dozen pages ago, I asked for some kind of statistical analysis on this.

I’m still waiting.

Turn on the news for God’s sake

[Kowani]

Congratulations, none of what you said was right. There will always be dissent. The state cannot win without addressing the cause. It never can, short of killing everyone. In contests of the people versus the government, regardless of the legality of dissent, the government never wins.

As for western civilization…what in the name of fuck are you talking about?

Dissent is okay.

Smashing up train stations, throwing Molotovs, making threats to burn malls down, shutting airports down, and attacking
people is not

I think Its time for a military deployment to stop this

Got news for you. All those things you mentioned? It’s because it’s the only thing they can do. Your attitude is the same one as that of the CCP-and it’s what brought this situation into being in the first place.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Western civilisation has begun to decline?

Since when?

since people began to have wills thoughts personalities
differing from [insert authoritarian here]
and his ten thousand thoughts

truly
human volition was a mistake
all should move as one

...

meh
just kill all but one
that would take care of disobedience
people can't defy if they don't exist

......well, you are not wrong with that last line.

[Kowani]

A few dozen pages ago, I asked for some kind of statistical analysis on this.

I’m still waiting.

Turn on the news for God’s sake

That’s not statistical analysis-that’s fucking propaganda.

[Duhon]

There's no need for interference from Beijing.

Hong Kong's losing its own prestige by its own doing.

The UK's more interested in doing business with Shanghai's Stock Exchange as it's gateway into East Asia than Hong Kong.

Investments are falling and money's being transferred elsewhere with escalation on both sides.

A military crackdown would only cause the extremists to go further than they already did, and global prestige would be affected.

So no. No need to send in a single PLA trooper. For them, just letting Hong Kong grind itself down to the dust would be the best way forward.

After all, and it's something many NSers may not know, is that Hong Kong need China to survive, and the World's more interested in China than Hong Kong.

the thing with authoritarians is that they do things they don't need to do
but they do it because they are dicks first and foremost
xi definitely is one of that number
why social credit?
china was doing fine without it
why grind xinjiang to dust?
islamic extremism is not a native ideology
why gulags?
why organ harvests?
why insist on bringing hk to heel by laws it knows millions of hkers would resist?

these are needless provocations
the only reason is dick
all of it dick
unending
motherfucking
dick
with millions being forced to enjoy the world's oldest rape joke

[Infected Mushroom]

Turn on the news for God’s sake

That’s not statistical analysis-that’s fucking propaganda.

So the news are propaganda now

[Relikai]

Turn on the news for God’s sake

That’s not statistical analysis-that’s fucking propaganda.

That’s not statistical analysis-that’s fucking propaganda.

So the news are propaganda now

Anything not Anti-China is propaganda.

[The Free Joy State]

Turn on the news for God’s sake

That’s not statistical analysis-that’s fucking propaganda.

Oh, I don't know. I turn on the BBC news, and I see a lot of police officers beating protestors that are already on the ground and helpless.

Still be interested in some stats, though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That’s not statistical analysis-that’s fucking propaganda.

So the news are propaganda now

Almost by definition nowadays, yeah. Everyone has an agenda.

[Infected Mushroom]

So the news are propaganda now

Almost by definition nowadays, yeah. Everyone has an agenda.

There are literal live videos on the news of these masked criminals thrashing/smashing/destroying things and Molotovs being thrown

Are they all photoshopped?

[Nakena]

This sounds like the protestors to me

They are the ones actively destroying this city right now

I only need to walk right outside to see what they have done

The train station was literally smashed up and everything is graffitied now, shops are closing left and right in the neighborhood

A few dozen pages ago, I asked for some kind of statistical analysis on this.

I’m still waiting.

To be fair there have been incidents of rioting and wanton destruction in HK to no little extend. I am sure IM could supply us with first handfootage of such. Not that I'd be necessary.

I believe it is the strategy of the Beijing clique to let things in HK slide and escalate and wait it out without intervening. I wouldn be surprised if, once the protests are over and media attention is elsewhere, a silent crackdown takes place. But that may be in the future.