The NationStates Feminist Thread III

[Totenborg]

Oh, I'm not mocking anyone who is dealing with mental problems. I am mocking individuals who are so devoid of strength of character that they blame their personal demons on folks who are dealing with real external oppression.

Like protecting women who are rapists and domestic abusers. It's oppression that women should be held accountable for their violence, which is why feminism tries so hard to protect them.

Am I a stereotypical feminist? Awesome. I honestly think that the whole MRA movement is a social cancer as vile as fascism. It's nothing more than the bottoms of the dominant class playing victimhood.

You know, on this, you're playing into a standard form of mental thinking common to patriarchal society - namely, that men are tough, strong, and shouldn't complain.

And this isn't an unusual thing - everyone cares more about women's problems than men's, even when it's the same problem. We've studied this.

Essentially stereotypical feminist = the patriarchy.

If we're going to have a truly equal society, it needs to be equal.

I'm glad you're here - you demonstrate so aptly the problem of modern feminism.

Freedom for only the people you want, oppression in the name of equality.

Mental fortitude is a stereotypically masculine trait? .

Yes.

Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness.[5][6][7][8] Machismo is a form of masculinity that emphasizes power and is often associated with a disregard for consequences and responsibility.[9] Virility (from the Latin vir, "man") is similar to masculinity, but especially emphasizes strength, energy, and sex drive.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity

Congratulations on being part of the patriarchy friendo.

Sure. Feminism=Patriarchal. Are you gonna also suggest that freedom is slavery? Also, the fact that you keep insisting that strength of character is somehow an inherently masculine trait shows why MRAs are oblivious. If you'd dtop treating women like an alien species, you'd find that your experience with them would likely improve.
Finally, your claim that women are the primary instigators of sexual assault is patently absurd and empirically false. Anyone with the slightest modicum of historical and social knowledge would know that. Get out of your bubble.
Also, nobody is suggesting that you take oppression lying down, if you were actually, you know, being oppressed.

[Galloism]

Sure. Feminism=Patriarchal. Are you gonna also suggest that freedom is slavery? Also, the fact that you keep insisting that strength of character is somehow an inherently masculine trait shows why MRAs are oblivious. If you'd dtop treating women like an alien species, you'd find that your experience with them would likely improve.

It is stereotypically based on traditionalism. You want to enforce it via social shame. So what does that make you?

Finally, your claim that women are the primary instigators of sexual assault is patently absurd and empirically false. Anyone with the slightest modicum of historical and social knowledge would know that. Get out of your bubble.

Women are the primary instigators of rape against men. Men are the primary instigators of rape against women. Men and women are both raped at roughly equal rates, if one uses a nonsexist definition of rape.

Sexual assault is somewhat disparate, by all accounts.

I've analyzed this before using the CDC studies.

The reason you don't know this is feminist researchers, principally Mary Koss although there are others, defined rape so that person A rapes person B in an act of vaginal rape - it's only rape if the victim was person B, thereby excluding the vast majority of rapes against men being counted as rape.

Also, nobody is suggesting that you take oppression lying down, if you were actually, you know, being oppressed.

I was drugged and raped by a woman. I was mocked by police, by my feminist friends, they didn't record it as rape. The perpetrator was never found, and society mocks me - all because of my gender.

If that's not oppression, to be literally institutionally denied justice explicitly because of your gender, and this happens institutionally all across the country, what would you call it?

And keep in mind I was a cop - we were taught by the National Organization for Women that rape is something that only men do.

[Legation Cities of Asia]

Like protecting women who are rapists and domestic abusers. It's oppression that women should be held accountable for their violence, which is why feminism tries so hard to protect them.



You know, on this, you're playing into a standard form of mental thinking common to patriarchal society - namely, that men are tough, strong, and shouldn't complain.

And this isn't an unusual thing - everyone cares more about women's problems than men's, even when it's the same problem. We've studied this.

Essentially stereotypical feminist = the patriarchy.

If we're going to have a truly equal society, it needs to be equal.

I'm glad you're here - you demonstrate so aptly the problem of modern feminism.

Freedom for only the people you want, oppression in the name of equality.


Yes.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculinity

Congratulations on being part of the patriarchy friendo.

Sure. Feminism=Patriarchal. Are you gonna also suggest that freedom is slavery? Also, the fact that you keep insisting that strength of character is somehow an inherently masculine trait shows why MRAs are oblivious. If you'd dtop treating women like an alien species, you'd find that your experience with them would likely improve.
Finally, your claim that women are the primary instigators of sexual assault is patently absurd and empirically false. Anyone with the slightest modicum of historical and social knowledge would know that. Get out of your bubble.
Also, nobody is suggesting that you take oppression lying down, if you were actually, you know, being oppressed.

look,
Women have it hard in many areas, but so do men.
93% of all work-related deaths are mens
Suicide rates are higher among men.
A wife is almost garanteed to get custody of children in a divorce
need I say more?

[Totenborg]

Sure. Feminism=Patriarchal. Are you gonna also suggest that freedom is slavery? Also, the fact that you keep insisting that strength of character is somehow an inherently masculine trait shows why MRAs are oblivious. If you'd dtop treating women like an alien species, you'd find that your experience with them would likely improve.

It is stereotypically based on traditionalism. You want to enforce it via social shame. So what does that make you?

Finally, your claim that women are the primary instigators of sexual assault is patently absurd and empirically false. Anyone with the slightest modicum of historical and social knowledge would know that. Get out of your bubble.

Women are the primary instigators of rape against men. Men are the primary instigators of rape against women. Men and women are both raped at roughly equal rates, if one uses a nonsexist definition of rape.

Sexual assault is somewhat disparate, by all accounts.

I've analyzed this before using the CDC studies.

The reason you don't know this is feminist researchers, principally Mary Koss although there are others, defined rape so that person A rapes person B in an act of vaginal rape - it's only rape if the victim was person B, thereby excluding the vast majority of rapes against men being counted as rape.

Also, nobody is suggesting that you take oppression lying down, if you were actually, you know, being oppressed.

I was drugged and raped by a woman. I was mocked by police, by my feminist friends, they didn't record it as rape. The perpetrator was never found, and society mocks me - all because of my gender.

If that's not oppression, to be literally institutionally denied justice explicitly because of your gender, and this happens institutionally all across the country, what would you call it?

And keep in mind I was a cop - we were taught by the National Organization for Women that rape is something that only men do.

While I still disagree with your stance, I at least understand it now. Being raped will definitely alter one's perspective. I'm sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves to get raped.

[Galloism]

While I still disagree with your stance, I at least understand it now. Being raped will definitely alter one's perspective. I'm sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves to get raped.

No, and you know what else nobody deserves?

Being a lifelong feminist and mocked by my feminist friends, and told even talking about it is diminishing women's experiences, because it's not the same when men are "forced to have sex" (them refusing to use the rape word).

Being told by a feminist, on this forum no less, that receiving morning coffee is proper recompense for getting raped if you're a guy.

Having my rape not classified as rape because I was the wrong sex by official government agencies, at the advice and behest of feminist activists.

Your movement defends and hides rapists, they defend domestic abusers, they train police that women never rape, and when a woman attacks her partner in a domestic violence situation that means he's an abuser and needs to be arrested. I received all this training as a police officer. I know what your movement does.

And now that I know about it, I will never stop fighting that.

[Samadhi]

While I still disagree with your stance, I at least understand it now. Being raped will definitely alter one's perspective. I'm sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves to get raped.

No, and you know what else nobody deserves?

Being a lifelong feminist and mocked by my feminist friends, and told even talking about it is diminishing women's experiences, because it's not the same when men are "forced to have sex" (them refusing to use the rape word).

Being told by a feminist, on this forum no less, that receiving morning coffee is proper recompense for getting raped if you're a guy.

Having my rape not classified as rape because I was the wrong sex by official government agencies, at the advice and behest of feminist activists.

Your movement defends and hides rapists, they defend domestic abusers, they train police that women never rape, and when a woman attacks her partner in a domestic violence situation that means he's an abuser and needs to be arrested. I received all this training as a police officer. I know what your movement does.

And now that I know about it, I will never stop fighting that.

Goddamn dude that response was vile.

Do you get that often?

[Galloism]

No, and you know what else nobody deserves?

Being a lifelong feminist and mocked by my feminist friends, and told even talking about it is diminishing women's experiences, because it's not the same when men are "forced to have sex" (them refusing to use the rape word).

Being told by a feminist, on this forum no less, that receiving morning coffee is proper recompense for getting raped if you're a guy.

Having my rape not classified as rape because I was the wrong sex by official government agencies, at the advice and behest of feminist activists.

Your movement defends and hides rapists, they defend domestic abusers, they train police that women never rape, and when a woman attacks her partner in a domestic violence situation that means he's an abuser and needs to be arrested. I received all this training as a police officer. I know what your movement does.

And now that I know about it, I will never stop fighting that.

Goddamn dude that response was vile.

Do you get that often?

Not as common as it once was. And I’ve heard worse.

[Totenborg]

While I still disagree with your stance, I at least understand it now. Being raped will definitely alter one's perspective. I'm sorry that happened to you. Nobody deserves to get raped.

No, and you know what else nobody deserves?

Being a lifelong feminist and mocked by my feminist friends, and told even talking about it is diminishing women's experiences, because it's not the same when men are "forced to have sex" (them refusing to use the rape word).

Being told by a feminist, on this forum no less, that receiving morning coffee is proper recompense for getting raped if you're a guy.

Having my rape not classified as rape because I was the wrong sex by official government agencies, at the advice and behest of feminist activists.

Your movement defends and hides rapists, they defend domestic abusers, they train police that women never rape, and when a woman attacks her partner in a domestic violence situation that means he's an abuser and needs to be arrested. I received all this training as a police officer. I know what your movement does.

And now that I know about it, I will never stop fighting that.

Dude, that's not feminism. That's just some old fashioned cruelty.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you've shifted from claiming "men don't face this form of discrimination" to "women do too!" when he provides evidence they in fact do, while pretending Gallo is the one who is ignoring a genders issues, when in reality that is what you were doing. Cool gaslighting bro, though we're used to feminists gaslighting people frankly.

It's like you have some inability to admit feminism made you believe something sexist and you had to be corrected. It's genuinely fascinating how the feminist mind works.

I think you just have this axiomatic categorization of feminism as anti-sexism and anti-feminism as sexism, so when anti-feminists point out "Hey you're being sexist" and prove it to you, you don't really engage with that information properly.

Instead you just change position and then project your previous position onto the anti-feminist because in your mind by definition those are how the sides work, even when they are the one who corrected you.

Like if I believed democrats are idiots and anti-science and then said "Global warming isn't real", and you proved to me it is in fact real and I then just reacted with "Well obviously global warming is real you stupid democrat, why are you denying it?"

Except even that misses elements of this psychological thing you're doing. It's difficult to describe.

No gaslighting. I'm being pretty consistent. You're saying that men are facing special discrimination because of feminism. I'm saying that they are not. Hell, mamy of your own sources don't even back you up. So, who's gaslighting, now? I'm saying that MRAs blame their own weaknesses on a nonexistent feminist oppression.

You' didn't actually address any of the point i made, just threw your toys out of the pram and started insulting people. Which, yeah, typical feminist. I walked you through step by step what you just did and why it was stupid.

Which sources don't even back me up, be specific and argue your position.

Oh, I'm not mocking anyone who is dealing with mental problems. I am mocking individuals who are so devoid of strength of character that they blame their personal demons on folks who are dealing with real external oppression.
Am I a stereotypical feminist? Awesome. I honestly think that the whole MRA movement is a social cancer as vile as fascism. It's nothing more than the bottoms of the dominant class playing victimhood.
Mental fortitude is a stereotypically masculine trait? Horseshit.

You think the homeless and prisoners and so on are merely "The bottoms of the dominant social class"? Dominant over who?

Plenty of MRAs are women dude, so why are they doing it? Why don't you deal with the points being made? It's because you can't.

And there's you demonstrating you know nothing about masculinity again.

This entire interaction reveals that you're pretty close minded and basically just lashing out at people who note the way you have been programmed is anti-male tbh. You haven't actually engaged in any discussion on the topic beyond the most superficial level. You're just spamming; "It's obvious" and "You're stupid and evil", which is reliant on feminism already having the power to just impose its will on people, since it is convincing only to the weak minded and instead relies on brute force and bullying. Yet that's how modern feminism indeed operates.

[Ostroeuropa]

Does this look like dominance to you?
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-n ... ?r=US&IR=T

I think you are confusing having a role with benefiting from the execution of that role. A classic case of not understanding the master-slave dialectic. You see men as more CEOs and Politicians and assume this means men are privileged, when there is nothing preventing women seeking those roles and men end up in those roles more often because of a lack of opportunity to pursue work-life balance. You then also ignore that men, except on the religious right, can only operate in those positions if they operate according to feminist principles and benefit women at the expense of men.

Suppose women were most CEOs and Politicians, but only misogynist women, and those who weren't were replaced either with women who are, or a man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2 ... _dialectic

[Totenborg]

No gaslighting. I'm being pretty consistent. You're saying that men are facing special discrimination because of feminism. I'm saying that they are not. Hell, mamy of your own sources don't even back you up. So, who's gaslighting, now? I'm saying that MRAs blame their own weaknesses on a nonexistent feminist oppression.

You' didn't actually address any of the point i made, just threw your toys out of the pram and started insulting people. Which, yeah, typical feminist. I walked you through step by step what you just did and why it was stupid.

Which sources don't even back me up, be specific and argue your position.

Oh, I'm not mocking anyone who is dealing with mental problems. I am mocking individuals who are so devoid of strength of character that they blame their personal demons on folks who are dealing with real external oppression.
Am I a stereotypical feminist? Awesome. I honestly think that the whole MRA movement is a social cancer as vile as fascism. It's nothing more than the bottoms of the dominant class playing victimhood.
Mental fortitude is a stereotypically masculine trait? Horseshit.

You think the homeless and prisoners and so on are merely "The bottoms of the dominant social class"? Dominant over who?

Plenty of MRAs are women dude, so why are they doing it? Why don't you deal with the points being made? It's because you can't.

And there's you demonstrating you know nothing about masculinity again.

This entire interaction reveals that you're pretty close minded and basically just lashing out at people who note the way you have been programmed is anti-male tbh. You haven't actually engaged in any discussion on the topic beyond the most superficial level. You're just spamming; "It's obvious" and "You're stupid and evil", which is reliant on feminism already having the power to just impose its will on people, since it is convincing only to the weak minded and instead relies on brute force and bullying. Yet that's how modern feminism indeed operates.

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

[Gormwood]

You' didn't actually address any of the point i made, just threw your toys out of the pram and started insulting people. Which, yeah, typical feminist. I walked you through step by step what you just did and why it was stupid.

Which sources don't even back me up, be specific and argue your position.



You think the homeless and prisoners and so on are merely "The bottoms of the dominant social class"? Dominant over who?

Plenty of MRAs are women dude, so why are they doing it? Why don't you deal with the points being made? It's because you can't.

And there's you demonstrating you know nothing about masculinity again.

This entire interaction reveals that you're pretty close minded and basically just lashing out at people who note the way you have been programmed is anti-male tbh. You haven't actually engaged in any discussion on the topic beyond the most superficial level. You're just spamming; "It's obvious" and "You're stupid and evil", which is reliant on feminism already having the power to just impose its will on people, since it is convincing only to the weak minded and instead relies on brute force and bullying. Yet that's how modern feminism indeed operates.

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

Welcome to NSG. Yes, the MRAs are loud here

[Totenborg]

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

Welcome to NSG. Yes, the MRAs are loud here

I see that.

[Galloism]

No, and you know what else nobody deserves?

Being a lifelong feminist and mocked by my feminist friends, and told even talking about it is diminishing women's experiences, because it's not the same when men are "forced to have sex" (them refusing to use the rape word).

Being told by a feminist, on this forum no less, that receiving morning coffee is proper recompense for getting raped if you're a guy.

Having my rape not classified as rape because I was the wrong sex by official government agencies, at the advice and behest of feminist activists.

Your movement defends and hides rapists, they defend domestic abusers, they train police that women never rape, and when a woman attacks her partner in a domestic violence situation that means he's an abuser and needs to be arrested. I received all this training as a police officer. I know what your movement does.

And now that I know about it, I will never stop fighting that.

Dude, that's not feminism. That's just some old fashioned cruelty.

It’s the same - the cruelty from the feminist movement is both personally delivered and institutionally enforced. Just based on the fact I’m a man.

This is both social institutional sexism, enforced and supported by the feminist movement.

And you support it - say people like me shouldn’t whine. I should buck up, be a man, and live by my socially enforced gender role.

Fuck that.

I will never ever stop opposing rapist enablers and domestic violence enablers, teaching our police and our courts to discriminate based on sex.

I can’t be pro a movement like that, and you should really reconsider that’s what you want to support.

[Lokl]

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

Welcome to NSG. Yes, the MRAs are loud here

The MRM is dead.

[New haven america]

No, and you know what else nobody deserves?

Being a lifelong feminist and mocked by my feminist friends, and told even talking about it is diminishing women's experiences, because it's not the same when men are "forced to have sex" (them refusing to use the rape word).

Being told by a feminist, on this forum no less, that receiving morning coffee is proper recompense for getting raped if you're a guy.

Having my rape not classified as rape because I was the wrong sex by official government agencies, at the advice and behest of feminist activists.

Your movement defends and hides rapists, they defend domestic abusers, they train police that women never rape, and when a woman attacks her partner in a domestic violence situation that means he's an abuser and needs to be arrested. I received all this training as a police officer. I know what your movement does.

And now that I know about it, I will never stop fighting that.

Dude, that's not feminism. That's just some old fashioned cruelty.

No no, that is radical feminism.

I'm guessing you don't believe radical feminists who threatened to attack and murder the woman who started Women's Shelters because she also wanted to open some for men and children were feminists either?

[Lokl]

Dude, that's not feminism. That's just some old fashioned cruelty.

It’s the same - the cruelty from the feminist movement is both personally delivered and institutionally enforced. Just based on the fact I’m a man.

This is both social institutional sexism, enforced and supported by the feminist movement.

And you support it - say people like me shouldn’t whine. I should buck up, be a man, and live by my socially enforced gender role.

Fuck that.

I will never ever stop opposing rapist enablers and domestic violence enablers, teaching our police and our courts to discriminate based on sex.

I can’t be pro a movement like that, and you should really reconsider that’s what you want to support.

"that's not feminism" they always try to hide behind that lie.

[Ostroeuropa]

You' didn't actually address any of the point i made, just threw your toys out of the pram and started insulting people. Which, yeah, typical feminist. I walked you through step by step what you just did and why it was stupid.

Which sources don't even back me up, be specific and argue your position.



You think the homeless and prisoners and so on are merely "The bottoms of the dominant social class"? Dominant over who?

Plenty of MRAs are women dude, so why are they doing it? Why don't you deal with the points being made? It's because you can't.

And there's you demonstrating you know nothing about masculinity again.

This entire interaction reveals that you're pretty close minded and basically just lashing out at people who note the way you have been programmed is anti-male tbh. You haven't actually engaged in any discussion on the topic beyond the most superficial level. You're just spamming; "It's obvious" and "You're stupid and evil", which is reliant on feminism already having the power to just impose its will on people, since it is convincing only to the weak minded and instead relies on brute force and bullying. Yet that's how modern feminism indeed operates.

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

The first ignores that men have no family planning autonomy already and also ignores that this bill is not likely to pass a constitutional test. Furthermore the West and the USA are not synonyms. Presenting women losing an advantage they have over men as evidence women are oppressed is nonsense. The same arguments men are actually subjected to are being debated being applied to women too is all. Ideally they'd apply to nobody, but it's still not evidence of societal misogyny. Male rape victims for instance are forced to pay child support.

The second is evidence against your case even though you don't realize it. The definitions used exclude female perpetrators and file women raping men as not rape in order to produce the idea it's a women's issue.

The third is again due to a lack of work life balance opportunities. More women are faculty, but more work part time and less devote their entire being to the pursuit as they have other things they are allowed to do. The wage gap results from different life choices and as explained to you, when men make the same choices women do their income suffers even more than women's does. (Choices such as part time,flex time, parental leave, taking years off to raise children).

It also jgnores that while men do the work,women still have access to the wealth. A different way to phrase the wage gap is;for every hour a man works, a woman works 45 minutes. Yet your wives still live in the level of wealth provided by you and your cash is pooled. Again you seem to not understand performing a role and being the primary beneficiary of that role.

The fourth source explains to you why your third doesn't demonstrate what you think it does, but you are so far gone that you think criticism of your position existing at all is evidence of your position.

Do you have a rebuttal to these points or not. Or indeed a rebuttal.to any of the sources I provided you, such as the one demonstrating women control more wealth than men do and that this trend is worsening.

[Galloism]

You' didn't actually address any of the point i made, just threw your toys out of the pram and started insulting people. Which, yeah, typical feminist. I walked you through step by step what you just did and why it was stupid.

Which sources don't even back me up, be specific and argue your position.



You think the homeless and prisoners and so on are merely "The bottoms of the dominant social class"? Dominant over who?

Plenty of MRAs are women dude, so why are they doing it? Why don't you deal with the points being made? It's because you can't.

And there's you demonstrating you know nothing about masculinity again.

This entire interaction reveals that you're pretty close minded and basically just lashing out at people who note the way you have been programmed is anti-male tbh. You haven't actually engaged in any discussion on the topic beyond the most superficial level. You're just spamming; "It's obvious" and "You're stupid and evil", which is reliant on feminism already having the power to just impose its will on people, since it is convincing only to the weak minded and instead relies on brute force and bullying. Yet that's how modern feminism indeed operates.

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

How about rape and domestic violence and the justice system in general - before the sexism our police and courts put on it at feminist behest.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=411146&p=31688343#p31688343
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newslett ... _one_sided

Both showing that, at least among adults, it’s about equal when it comes to rape and domestic violence. The movements focus on female victims and male perpetrators routinely gets male victims arrested. More so than female perpetrators. Source for that:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/

This leads to a very real fear for men that if they report their victimization, the state will just enforce more victimization.

Source for that:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... elves.html

Black people are given sentences ten percent longer than whites for equivalent crimes. Everyone recognizes it as a problem. The same methodology applied to women shows men get sixty percent more time for equivalent crimes. Six times as large. And yes I have a source for that.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=2144002

It also notes there is discrimination against men in every stage from investigation through sentencing.

Leaving the rest out, if we sentenced men like women, we’d have something like 80% fewer prisoners.

Still sure there’s no discrimination to “whine” about?

[Costa Fierro]

Of course, I'm pro feminism: I'll be damned if I teach my daughter that it's okay to be bullied and harassed because of her gender.

But bullying and harassing others is fine as long as those people have penises. Also can't wait for that entitlement complex. "TREAT MEEEE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I'M OPPRESSED".

[Ostroeuropa]

Need sources? Fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_L ... ection_Act
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victim ... l-violence
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/10/ ... -persists/
https://harvardmagazine.com/2016/05/rea ... r-wage-gap

How about rape and domestic violence and the justice system in general - before the sexism our police and courts put on it at feminist behest.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=411146&p=31688343#p31688343
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newslett ... _one_sided

Both showing that, at least among adults, it’s about equal when it comes to rape and domestic violence. The movements focus on female victims and male perpetrators routinely gets male victims arrested. More so than female perpetrators. Source for that:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/

This leads to a very real fear for men that if they report their victimization, the state will just enforce more victimization.

Source for that:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews ... elves.html

Black people are given sentences ten percent longer than whites for equivalent crimes. Everyone recognizes it as a problem. The same methodology applied to women shows men get sixty percent more time for equivalent crimes. Six times as large. And yes I have a source for that.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... id=2144002

It also notes there is discrimination against men in every stage from investigation through sentencing.

Leaving the rest out, if we sentenced men like women, we’d have something like 80% fewer prisoners.

Still sure there’s no discrimination to “whine” about?

Worth noting as well.that the prison system utilizes slavery. The overwhelming majority of slaves in your society being a particular group is pretty good evidence they are oppressed.

[Costa Fierro]

I believe that all citizens should be subject to conscription into national service, albeit I do not believe that women should regularly be sent into frontline roles due to the physical disparities between the average man and average woman. I also believe that national service should extend beyond military service since women (and men) could no doubt perform a variety of civilian functions invaluable to the state as well.

Women have demonstrated that they are more than capable of performing combat when required. The Soviets made extensive use of women as combat soldiers and as pilots.

But no, instead we have this idea that somehow equality means men get to die or be maimed and women are happy somewhere that doesn't get shot up or gassed or shelled by artillery. That's not equality, that's telling men to die for you because that's what their destiny is: meat shields for the socially privileged.

[Totenborg]

Dude, that's not feminism. That's just some old fashioned cruelty.

It’s the same - the cruelty from the feminist movement is both personally delivered and institutionally enforced. Just based on the fact I’m a man.

This is both social institutional sexism, enforced and supported by the feminist movement.

And you support it - say people like me shouldn’t whine. I should buck up, be a man, and live by my socially enforced gender role.

Fuck that.

I will never ever stop opposing rapist enablers and domestic violence enablers, teaching our police and our courts to discriminate based on sex.

I can’t be pro a movement like that, and you should really reconsider that’s what you want to support.

If that is your standard, are you sure you want to be associated the MRM,?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newrepubli ... ition-rape

[Ostroeuropa]

Dude, that's not feminism. That's just some old fashioned cruelty.

No no, that is radical feminism.

I'm guessing you don't believe radical feminists who threatened to attack and murder the woman who started Women's Shelters because she also wanted to open some for men and children were feminists either?

Radical Klanfolk is not a defence when all the institutions are devoted to it and the history of the movement has always been that. Unlike feminist assertions we have actual proof most of the second wave Klan thought it was a social club and did not attend lynchings. Yet that is what their political affiliatioms enabled and eventually they realized it.

On the whole having less personal responsibility and self awareness than a klansman isn't a good look. We're well passed the superman tapes in terms of it being demonstrated that feminists primary impact and activity is misandry.

[Galloism]

It’s the same - the cruelty from the feminist movement is both personally delivered and institutionally enforced. Just based on the fact I’m a man.

This is both social institutional sexism, enforced and supported by the feminist movement.

And you support it - say people like me shouldn’t whine. I should buck up, be a man, and live by my socially enforced gender role.

Fuck that.

I will never ever stop opposing rapist enablers and domestic violence enablers, teaching our police and our courts to discriminate based on sex.

I can’t be pro a movement like that, and you should really reconsider that’s what you want to support.

If that is your standard, are you sure you want to be associated the MRM,?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newrepubli ... ition-rape

I’m not.

I’m interested in equality.

Also, TheRedPill and MensRights are different and hate each other. A lot of conflation there, even though they have completely different goals.