by Fahran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:17 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:21 am
by Blueflarst » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:23 am
by Fahran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:25 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Btw, this thread seems to have been posted twice.
Link to other thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=472757
by Syeadeshistania » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:26 am
by Wallenburg » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:28 am
Islam's attitudes regarding women are regressive and problematic,
and do not belong in modern Western society.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:28 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:31 am
by USS Monitor » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:32 am
by Ors Might » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:34 am
by Thermodolia » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:35 am
Wallenburg wrote:Islam's attitudes regarding women are regressive and problematic,
True.and do not belong in modern Western society.
Mmmm, slow down there buckaroo.
by South Central South-Park » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:36 am
by Fahran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:36 am
Blueflarst wrote:Islam is used by the liberal left as battle horse againist the chirstian west values.
Blueflarst wrote:Obviously they dislike your values towards the women and other attitudes.
Blueflarst wrote:They just ignore it trying to manipulate the islam peoples againist the christianism.
by Ors Might » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:37 am
Wallenburg wrote:Islam's attitudes regarding women are regressive and problematic,
True.and do not belong in modern Western society.
Mmmm, slow down there buckaroo.
by Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:39 am
by Fahran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:40 am
Syeadeshistania wrote:Of course it is 4chan, always fucking 4chan. I as a Muslim, personally believe that feminism in many countries such as the USA and Canada is simply unneeded as women already have equal rights to men. Islam is not patriarchal, Muslim women often don't wear hijabs or burqas.
by Fahran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:41 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't see any reason to over analyse this. It is just the alt-right trying to cause offense. By stopped clock, they are right about one thing, many forms of Islam are antithetical to progressive or even classical liberal values.
USS Monitor wrote:Just braindead trolling from people that don't grasp the concept of tolerance. Islam doesn't have to be "right" for Muslims to be allowed to practice it without facing religious discrimination.
by Greater Gilead » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:43 am
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by Pacomia » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:44 am
by Wallenburg » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:45 am
Thermodolia wrote:
The ideologies about women and GSMs that are prevalent in Islam should definitely not belong in modern western society. That goes for all other religions that have the same beliefs as well.
If those religions jettison those beliefs they can then stay
by Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:46 am
Greater Gilead wrote:So, I have to say this carefully, but as a member of a religion that has gotten described as "regressive", "problematic", and "does not belong in western civilization", I will side with the fliers here. Whether it's tolling or not, and if so, from whoever it may be, the messenger does not define the message. Trying to force religions into the mold of "western civilization" will not work. If anything, it makes us more defensive to your ways.
Looking at what has already been posted in this thread, some people are visibly hostile to religions like mine. This is what I'm talking about. If an incompatibility exists, well, we've been around for two millennia. It wasn't us that created this incompatibility. It's the ones that changed.
by Satuga » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:48 am
USS Monitor wrote:Just braindead trolling from people that don't grasp the concept of tolerance. Islam doesn't have to be "right" for Muslims to be allowed to practice it without facing religious discrimination.
by Fahran » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:48 am
Wallenburg wrote:Thermodolia wrote:The ideologies about women and GSMs that are prevalent in Islam should definitely not belong in modern western society. That goes for all other religions that have the same beliefs as well.
If those religions jettison those beliefs they can then stay
There's multiple problems with that statement though. First, the frequently espoused argument that "Islam does not belong in modern Western society" has its roots in extreme racism, xenophobia, and religious intolerance. It really has nothing to do with the backwardness of religious tenets and more with hostility toward people who look too Arab or don't sufficiently approach the same religious camp as evangelical Protestantism. As you are most likely aware, evangelicals are, by and large, not exactly the most avid feminists. Second, I agree that religion is, in general, an obstacle to social progress. However, the idea of banning free belief and worship is even more antithetical to our expectations of a modern, free society (not to mention the more material issues that arise from banning nearly every form of Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, and probably various other major religions).
by LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:48 am
Fahran wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I don't see any reason to over analyse this. It is just the alt-right trying to cause offense. By stopped clock, they are right about one thing, many forms of Islam are antithetical to progressive or even classical liberal values.
I mostly agree, I think. I went for the nuance answer and the answer questioning why I personally have no life.USS Monitor wrote:Just braindead trolling from people that don't grasp the concept of tolerance. Islam doesn't have to be "right" for Muslims to be allowed to practice it without facing religious discrimination.
True. I do think that raw offense without an adequate rebuttal does leave /pol/ sitting a bit higher than they should. Hence my attempts to foster a discussion.
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