Farnhamia Redux wrote:Kinzakastan wrote:Some of you have said that "there is no God, if there is he is just there to cause us pain" But your wrong. The world is corrupted, its sick and diseased and the Lord is there to give us salvation from the pain which this world creates.
Just this ... The world is not corrupted, sick or diseased. There are people who, for whatever reason, do bad things to other people but it is not because they and the world are intrisically flawed. For all the good Christian has done - and there is some, quite a bit, really - this mind-set alone almost cancels it all out. What a terrible, terrible way to look at things, and if there were a God who created this corrupt world and put his beloved children in it, then told them they could never really rise above it except in extraordinary cases, what a sorry deity that is. A human parent who treated his children that way would lose them.
I think you are misunderstanding the fall of man. This world wasn't created corrupt, but the choices we make, the sins we all partake in corrupt it. This is a pretty basic observation, how can a world where old men molest little girls and murderers stockpile bodies in abandoned lots not be diseased? What I'm saying, is that people ARE inherently good, but the world be live in is not always easy, fair or good. And even after we corrupted the world he tried to save us, cleansing it in the flood, sending his only son down to bring salvation to his people, Letting his son die on the cross so that our sins could be washed away. He gives us the promise of heaven and the very gift of life, he doesn't seem cruel to me. And when do you think that he says we "could never really rise above it except in extraordinary cases" I would like to see biblical support for that. In fact the opposite is true
Deuteronomy 15:10
Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.
Ecclesiastes 3:9-14
9 What does the worker gain from his toil? 10 I have seen the burden God has laid on men. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. 12 I know that there is nothing better for men than to be happy and do good while they live. 13 That everyone may eat and drink, and find satisfaction in all his toil—this is the gift of God. 14 I know that everything God does will endure forever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that men will revere him.
You can find many similar things in proverbs and psalms and various places in the NT. God in no way opposes useful labor and subsequent acheivment, in fact he encourages it. So please, don't refer to the Lord as a "sorry deity" when in fact your pitiful and ignorant attempts at dishonoring Him are at the very best asinine, tactless and incompetent.