MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Bombadil]

What actually happens in the unlikely event he's actually impeached? Say it happens in April or something, what happens to the Republican nomination for president?

Technically I understand Pence would take over but I'd also have to believe he'd have to resign as well.

It would be interesting to see if any Republicans step out and announce a campaign.

Nothing, because he also needs to be tried and convicted by the Senate, and it's Rep. Majority so that's not happening

Well they thought that about Nixon as well, but once public opinion overwhelmingly turned everything changed. As I said it's unlikely but I'm curious as to what the process would be.

[Telconi]

Nothing, because he also needs to be tried and convicted by the Senate, and it's Rep. Majority so that's not happening

Well they thought that about Nixon as well, but once public opinion overwhelmingly turned everything changed. As I said it's unlikely but I'm curious as to what the process would be.

Nixon was president in a bygone era when people cared if the President was a shithead.

[New haven america]

Nothing, because he also needs to be tried and convicted by the Senate, and it's Rep. Majority so that's not happening

Well they thought that about Nixon as well, but once public opinion overwhelmingly turned everything changed. As I said it's unlikely but I'm curious as to what the process would be.

Nixon was never tried, he resigned before they could do anything and then got pardoned by his VP when he became Pres.

Also, Republicans (Well, most politicians) back then tended to be less corrupt and working only for the party, but his impeachment did set the precedent for all politicians in the US to move around and try doing more corrupt activities.

[Tarsonis]

He'd be tainted by association, I doubt his position would be particularly tenable.

Good, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president.

Because republicans will totally accept that is tantamount to anything but a coup de tat

[The Wasatch]

What actually happens in the unlikely event he's actually impeached? Say it happens in April or something, what happens to the Republican nomination for president?

Technically I understand Pence would take over but I'd also have to believe he'd have to resign as well.

It would be interesting to see if any Republicans step out and announce a campaign.

Nothing, because he also needs to be tried and convicted by the Senate, and it's Rep. Majority so that's not happening. So what's actually gonna happen is Trump will us it as a rallying cry in order to gain support against the "Corrupt" Dems in order to get him out of office because they don't like him, and depending on who the Dems pick to run (Probably Biden or Sanders), he'll win 2020.

Republicans have already stepped out to campaign, no one talks about them though.

Do you think that impeachment will change the mind of anyone not already voting for Trump? Sorry if that sounds aggressive, I actually am quite interested in your opinion on the matter.

[Bombadil]

Well they thought that about Nixon as well, but once public opinion overwhelmingly turned everything changed. As I said it's unlikely but I'm curious as to what the process would be.

Nixon was president in a bygone era when people cared if the President was a shithead.

There was a sheet comparing all the defences of Nixon to those of Trump and they were all basically the same, Nixon maintained support in the party for a surprisingly long time.

In fact, when these critics refer back to the Watergate era as a time of bipartisan commitment to the rule of law over politics, they get it exactly wrong. Defending the president at all costs, blaming investigators and demonizing journalists was all part of the Republican playbook during the political crisis leading up to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.

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[Gormwood]

Good, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president.

Because republicans will totally accept that is tantamount to anything but a coup de tat

Impeaching over a blowjob is perfectly fine, but an intelligence whistleblower complaint? Outrage.

[New haven america]

Nothing, because he also needs to be tried and convicted by the Senate, and it's Rep. Majority so that's not happening. So what's actually gonna happen is Trump will us it as a rallying cry in order to gain support against the "Corrupt" Dems in order to get him out of office because they don't like him, and depending on who the Dems pick to run (Probably Biden or Sanders), he'll win 2020.

Republicans have already stepped out to campaign, no one talks about them though.

Do you think that impeachment will change the mind of anyone not already voting for Trump? Sorry if that sounds aggressive, I actually am quite interested in your opinion on the matter.

No, it will not, because most of them voted for him either because he's a shithead or because they believe the Dems are somehow equally as corrupt as him and the Reps.

[Tarsonis]

Because republicans will totally accept that is tantamount to anything but a coup de tat

Impeaching over a blowjob is perfectly fine, but an intelligence whistleblower complaint? Outrage.

but of course, you completely miss the point

[New haven america]

Nixon was president in a bygone era when people cared if the President was a shithead.

There was a sheet comparing all the defences of Nixon to those of Trump and they were all basically the same, Nixon maintained support in the party for a surprisingly long time.

And modern day Republicans in government now have the belief of "Anything for the party."

So if there's anyway to keep the party in power, they'll do it, and in this case this impeachment call is actually helpful, as it stirs up Trump's base and gives him a rallying call to rely on.

[Gormwood]

There was a sheet comparing all the defences of Nixon to those of Trump and they were all basically the same, Nixon maintained support in the party for a surprisingly long time.

And modern day Republicans in government now have the belief of "Anything for the party."

So if there's anyway to keep the party in power, they'll do it, and in this case this impeachment call is actually helpful, as it stirs up Trump's base and gives him a rallying call to rely on.

Donny can't win exclusively with his base.

[New haven america]

Good, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president.

Because republicans will totally accept that is tantamount to anything but a coup de tat

Considering they tried that in the 90's, eh, they're not ones to complain.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Do you think that impeachment will change the mind of anyone not already voting for Trump? Sorry if that sounds aggressive, I actually am quite interested in your opinion on the matter.

No, it will not, because most of them voted for him either because he's a shithead or because they believe the Dems are somehow equally as corrupt as him and the Reps.

Pretty much. This will probably just feed his ego and not really cause anything

[The Wasatch]

Do you think that impeachment will change the mind of anyone not already voting for Trump? Sorry if that sounds aggressive, I actually am quite interested in your opinion on the matter.

No, it will not, because most of them voted for him either because he's a shithead or because they believe the Dems are somehow equally as corrupt as him and the Reps.

I quite agree. I don't think impeachment is likely to be successful, but I don't think it will be very damaging to chances of a Democratic victory, either. It must carry on as a matter of principles and maintenance of the law more than anything, though I am hesitantly optimistic.

[New haven america]

And modern day Republicans in government now have the belief of "Anything for the party."

So if there's anyway to keep the party in power, they'll do it, and in this case this impeachment call is actually helpful, as it stirs up Trump's base and gives him a rallying call to rely on.

Donny can't win exclusively with his base.

That I correct.

He'll win with the Indies who support him because they think the Dems are being mean and the Bernie Bros voting for him to spite the Dems because they'll be pissed off that Bernie didn't get chosen again (Just like they did in 2016).

[Internationalist Bastard]

No, it will not, because most of them voted for him either because he's a shithead or because they believe the Dems are somehow equally as corrupt as him and the Reps.

I quite agree. I don't think impeachment is likely to be successful, but I don't think it will be very damaging to chances of a Democratic victory, either. It must carry on as a matter of principles and maintenance of the law more than anything, though I am hesitantly optimistic.

I'm rather pessimistic. As a whole the law has failed me more then inspired me

[The Wasatch]

Donny can't win exclusively with his base.

That I correct.

He'll win with the Indies who support him because they think the Dems are being mean and the Bernie Bros voting for him to spite the Dems because they'll be pissed off that Bernie didn't get chosen again (Just like they did in 2016).

Quite true. I have seen reports suggesting that Democrats don't need to win over Trump voters (which at this point they likely can't,) to win, but only need to better mobilize existing supporters.

[Tarsonis]

Because republicans will totally accept that is tantamount to anything but a coup de tat

Considering they tried that in the 90's, eh, they're not ones to complain.

You also miss the point. Sigh, the point wasn’t about going after trump, but going after Pence as well. If they go after Pence, to put Pelosi in the high office Republicans, and a fair amount of independents, will see it as nothing less than exploiting the law to remove republicans from the office and install a Democratic regime.

[Tarsonis]

Donny can't win exclusively with his base.

That I correct.

He'll win with the Indies who support him because they think the Dems are being mean and the Bernie Bros voting for him to spite the Dems because they'll be pissed off that Bernie didn't get chosen again (Just like they did in 2016).

And nothing will make that happen faster than going after Pence

[Bombadil]

Considering they tried that in the 90's, eh, they're not ones to complain.

You also miss the point. Sigh, the point wasn’t about going after trump, but going after Pence as well. If they go after Pence, to put Pelosi in the high office Republicans, and a fair amount of independents, will see it as nothing less than exploiting the law to remove republicans from the office and install a Democratic regime.

I don't think anyone needs to go after Pence, however I don't see how he can just assume the presidency given Trump is impeached. My specific question is given the hypothetical that Trump is impeached in some time around April, and Pence resigns beforehand, how do they nominate a candidate given they've missed the primaries.

I mean.. are primaries even required - I have a feeling they're not and the Republicans could simply nominate someone at a Convention while a caretaker president sits through to the elections.

[Tarsonis]

That I correct.

He'll win with the Indies who support him because they think the Dems are being mean and the Bernie Bros voting for him to spite the Dems because they'll be pissed off that Bernie didn't get chosen again (Just like they did in 2016).

Quite true. I have seen reports suggesting that Democrats don't need to win over Trump voters (which at this point they likely can't,) to win, but only need to better mobilize existing supporters.

At the moment. If the bungle this though...Indys are gonna swing right hard

[New haven america]

Considering they tried that in the 90's, eh, they're not ones to complain.

1. You also miss the point. 2. Sigh, the point wasn’t about going after trump, but going after Pence as well. If they go after Pence, to put Pelosi in the high office Republicans, and a fair amount of independents, will see it as nothing less than exploiting the law to remove republicans from the office and install a Democratic regime.

1. Except I didn't, I was making a joke. Oh sorry, forgot, jokes aren't allowed.
2. Indies and undecided voters don't give a shit about what happens in the government as long as they're morning commute isn't messed with and they can have easy access to Netflix. They won't care.

[Internationalist Bastard]

That I correct.

He'll win with the Indies who support him because they think the Dems are being mean and the Bernie Bros voting for him to spite the Dems because they'll be pissed off that Bernie didn't get chosen again (Just like they did in 2016).

Quite true. I have seen reports suggesting that Democrats don't need to win over Trump voters (which at this point they likely can't,) to win, but only need to better mobilize existing supporters.

The thing is I'm worried that the liberal base is too divided to actually form solid ground against Trump. I'm speaking as a staunch third party voter that I think we'll see a repeat of 2016 unless something drastic happens

[Tarsonis]

You also miss the point. Sigh, the point wasn’t about going after trump, but going after Pence as well. If they go after Pence, to put Pelosi in the high office Republicans, and a fair amount of independents, will see it as nothing less than exploiting the law to remove republicans from the office and install a Democratic regime.

I don't think anyone needs to go after Pence, however I don't see how he can just assume the presidency given Trump is impeached. My specific question is given the hypothetical that Trump is impeached in some time around April, and Pence resigns beforehand, how do they nominate a candidate given they've missed the primaries.

I mean.. are primaries even required - I have a feeling they're not and the Republicans could simply nominate someone at a Convention while a caretaker president sits through to the elections.

Order of succession. President goes down, next man up. Simple as that.


As for the rest of it, I think you’re over thinking the situation.

[New haven america]

I don't think anyone needs to go after Pence, however I don't see how he can just assume the presidency given Trump is impeached. My specific question is given the hypothetical that Trump is impeached in some time around April, and Pence resigns beforehand, how do they nominate a candidate given they've missed the primaries.

I mean.. are primaries even required - I have a feeling they're not and the Republicans could simply nominate someone at a Convention while a caretaker president sits through to the elections.

Order of succession. President goes down, next man up. Simple as that.


As for the rest of it, I think you’re over thinking the situation.

Unless it's a Dem getting up to bat, because then it becomes a coup.