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by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:54 am
by Kernen » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:56 am
Saiwania wrote:I'm most impressed by the commander in Handmaid's Tale. He sees women not as whole people but as their function in relation to him. To maximize efficiency, multiple women are used to get what he needs from the female gender.
Yes! This is exactly the outlook I want to adopt. It makes far more sense from my perspective, to focus on the utility someone else has to you than to care about every aspect of somebody else. I don't see it as a bad thing at all.
Why not separate women into different categories and reduce them to their functions? I'm sure women do the exact same thing with regards to men, they arguably should if they don't already. If that happens behind the scenes, I don't think I mind it at all.
Of course people will put other people in their life into different categories and treat them accordingly.
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:01 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Saiwania the Slaver... it has a certain ring to it.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:04 am
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:17 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Chattel slavery in the Atlantic world was bad and you should feel bad for entertaining the idea of bringing it back for the lolz. Also this is a huge fucking threadjack so you should feel bad for that too.
by Napkizemlja » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:13 am
Saiwania wrote:I'm most impressed by the commander in Handmaid's Tale. He sees women not as whole people but as their function in relation to him. To maximize efficiency, multiple women are used to get what he needs from the female gender.
Yes! This is exactly the outlook I want to adopt. It makes far more sense from my perspective, to focus on the utility someone else has to you than to care about every aspect of somebody else. I don't see it as a bad thing at all.
Why not separate women into different categories and reduce them to their functions? I'm sure women do the exact same thing with regards to men, they arguably should if they don't already. If that happens behind the scenes, I don't think I mind it at all.
Of course people will put other people in their life into different categories and treat them accordingly.
by Farnhamia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 am
Saiwania wrote:Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Chattel slavery in the Atlantic world was bad and you should feel bad for entertaining the idea of bringing it back for the lolz. Also this is a huge fucking threadjack so you should feel bad for that too.
Does the novel I reference and am analyzing, not complain about some "big bad, evil conservative regime" that bans abortion? It'd be more simplistic to conclude that the entire work can be condensed into "abortion good, anti-choice bad." But a lot of people would perhaps reach that conclusion after reading even some of it.
Like I said, the chattel slavery it posits is made up BS. It might be allegory instead.
Besides, society has never been completely free in that it isn't true that people can always do what they want in every stage of their life. To a large extent, you're limited by how much your income is, how much wealth you've accrued, or what your skills are. You're not allowed to just try out or switch to any career you want to for example- there will of course be obstacles in the way, you're only allowed to move to similar jobs as what your resume or education qualifies you for.
Even being able to do something, doesn't do you any good if people who're above you in rank or influence- don't believe in your potential or skills.
by Farnhamia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:30 am
Napkizemlja wrote:Saiwania wrote:I'm most impressed by the commander in Handmaid's Tale. He sees women not as whole people but as their function in relation to him. To maximize efficiency, multiple women are used to get what he needs from the female gender.
Yes! This is exactly the outlook I want to adopt. It makes far more sense from my perspective, to focus on the utility someone else has to you than to care about every aspect of somebody else. I don't see it as a bad thing at all.
Why not separate women into different categories and reduce them to their functions? I'm sure women do the exact same thing with regards to men, they arguably should if they don't already. If that happens behind the scenes, I don't think I mind it at all.
Of course people will put other people in their life into different categories and treat them accordingly.
LMFAO, and ya punk ass wonders why you're single.
by Luminesa » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:29 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Saiwania wrote:
Does the novel I reference and am analyzing, not complain about some "big bad, evil conservative regime" that bans abortion? It'd be more simplistic to conclude that the entire work can be condensed into "abortion good, anti-choice bad." But a lot of people would perhaps reach that conclusion after reading even some of it.
Like I said, the chattel slavery it posits is made up BS. It might be allegory instead.
Besides, society has never been completely free in that it isn't true that people can always do what they want in every stage of their life. To a large extent, you're limited by how much your income is, how much wealth you've accrued, or what your skills are. You're not allowed to just try out or switch to any career you want to for example- there will of course be obstacles in the way, you're only allowed to move to similar jobs as what your resume or education qualifies you for.
Even being able to do something, doesn't do you any good if people who're above you in rank or influence- don't believe in your potential or skills.
If you want to undertake an analysis of The Handmaid's Tale, do it in a separate thread. You've made some sort of point about abortion with it, point made, drop it. Continued "analysis" will be regarded as hijacking the thread. I'm being nice because today, September 21st, is the anniversary of the publication of The Hobbit in 1937.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:09 pm
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:02 pm
by The Free Joy State » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:58 pm
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:03 pm
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by The Free Joy State » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:05 pm
by Hanafuridake » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:06 pm
Luminesa wrote:Farnhamia wrote:If you want to undertake an analysis of The Handmaid's Tale, do it in a separate thread. You've made some sort of point about abortion with it, point made, drop it. Continued "analysis" will be regarded as hijacking the thread. I'm being nice because today, September 21st, is the anniversary of the publication of The Hobbit in 1937.
A vastly superior book anyway.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by Espenia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:18 pm
by Wallenburg » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:12 pm
Espenia wrote:there are times you gotta suck it up, the simply grow up!
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:20 pm
Espenia wrote:As a woman, I feel this is a very private and personal matter. It's up to the woman, what she wants to do. No one else. I'm pro-choice for a reason. Now I'm not saying Hey! Go get an abortion every time, you get pregnant, there are times you gotta suck it up, then simply grow up! But (again) this is a private matter And it's no one else's business, what said woman does with her life...
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Espenia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:10 pm
by Espenia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:12 pm
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Espenia wrote:As a woman, I feel this is a very private and personal matter. It's up to the woman, what she wants to do. No one else. I'm pro-choice for a reason. Now I'm not saying Hey! Go get an abortion every time, you get pregnant, there are times you gotta suck it up, then simply grow up! But (again) this is a private matter And it's no one else's business, what said woman does with her life...
There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.
by Saiwania » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:15 pm
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.
by New haven america » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:17 pm
Espenia wrote:Wallenburg wrote:I mean, if that includes the option to abort the pregnancy, cool.
If a woman has a miscarriage, stillborn or if the pregnancy is due to rape or incest, then a woman has the right to choose to terminate. Or if it has nothing to do, with the causes I mentioned and she's simply not ready or doesn't want the child, then she has the right to terminate.
I'm simply saying; that if a women were kind of like Pennsatucky from Orange Is The New Black; a character whose had 5 abortions, then I feel that's a bit ridiculous.
Abortion is a very serious thing and shouldn't be used as a form of birth control by some indiviuals.
by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:17 pm
Espenia wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.
You can read, what I wrote to Wallenberg. I know a pregnant woman doesn't have to "suck it up" but I'm referring to women, who use abortion as if it's some sort of birth control.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:17 pm
Espenia wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.
You can read, what I wrote to Wallenberg. I know a pregnant woman doesn't have to "suck it up" but I'm referring to women, who use abortion as if it's some sort of birth control.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Espenia » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:19 pm
New haven america wrote:Espenia wrote:If a woman has a miscarriage, stillborn or if the pregnancy is due to rape or incest, then a woman has the right to choose to terminate. Or if it has nothing to do, with the causes I mentioned and she's simply not ready or doesn't want the child, then she has the right to terminate.
I'm simply saying; that if a women were kind of like Pennsatucky from Orange Is The New Black; a character whose had 5 abortions, then I feel that's a bit ridiculous.
Abortion is a very serious thing and shouldn't be used as a form of birth control by some indiviuals.
A person who chooses to treat abortion as their go to form of birth control probably shouldn't be allowed to keep any kids they decide to keep around... Or they're in an abusive situation and need help.
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