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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Juristonia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:24 am

Duhon wrote:is this a fucking joke
are you fucking kidding me
if this is what you want
fuck you

The guy has been picking the worst possible solution to every problem raised in the last 200 pages or so.
At this point, I'd assume he's not taking anything particularly seriously.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:28 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!

The delusion is soo real with you.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:31 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!


No we couldn't. That would entirely and completely collapse the economy and make a massive lost.
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:50 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!


Taxation is extortion according to you, but forcing people into workhouses is perfectly fine. Your political opinions are incoherent, infantile and narcissistic.

I was responding to the 'nation is a business' comment, not seriously advocating that idea. If the nation was a business then it would surely be in its best interests to get as much out of its people as possible. Holiday pay and minimum wages and health and safety are very expensive.
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Postby Audioslavia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:52 am

Duhon wrote:is this a fucking joke
are you fucking kidding me
if this is what you want
fuck you


There are many ways to respond to ludicrous ideas. This isn't one of them.

This is a *** seven day ban *** for flaming.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:52 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Taxation is extortion according to you, but forcing people into workhouses is perfectly fine. Your political opinions are incoherent, infantile and narcissistic.

I was responding to the 'nation is a business' comment, not seriously advocating that idea. If the nation was a business then it would surely be in its best interests to get as much out of its people as possible. Holiday pay and minimum wages and health and safety are very expensive.

Chattel slavery was shit in the 19th century and it has only gotten worse.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:59 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Taxation is extortion according to you, but forcing people into workhouses is perfectly fine. Your political opinions are incoherent, infantile and narcissistic.

I was responding to the 'nation is a business' comment, not seriously advocating that idea. If the nation was a business then it would surely be in its best interests to get as much out of its people as possible. Holiday pay and minimum wages and health and safety are very expensive.


Only if you're utterly ignorant of basic economics.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:02 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I was responding to the 'nation is a business' comment, not seriously advocating that idea. If the nation was a business then it would surely be in its best interests to get as much out of its people as possible. Holiday pay and minimum wages and health and safety are very expensive.


Only if you're utterly ignorant of basic economics.

So how do minimum wage laws and unions help the economy?
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:04 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Only if you're utterly ignorant of basic economics.

So how do minimum wage laws and unions help the economy?


Both ensure that the profits from economic activity remain in the country and are actively spent, boosting tax revenues significantly, rather than fucking off to some offshore tax haven somewhere.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:13 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Taxation is extortion according to you, but forcing people into workhouses is perfectly fine. Your political opinions are incoherent, infantile and narcissistic.

I was responding to the 'nation is a business' comment, not seriously advocating that idea. If the nation was a business then it would surely be in its best interests to get as much out of its people as possible. Holiday pay and minimum wages and health and safety are very expensive.


Obviously I'm commenting on more than one of your posts.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:23 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Taxation is extortion according to you, but forcing people into workhouses is perfectly fine. Your political opinions are incoherent, infantile and narcissistic.

I was responding to the 'nation is a business' comment, not seriously advocating that idea.

Given your misanthropic and downright malevolent posts in the past, is it any wonder that I really don't believe you? Hm? Is it?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:37 am

https://www.thejournal.ie/emma-desouza- ... 88-Sep2019

The Home Office is fighting a legal case against a provision of the Good Friday Agreement. Specifically, the Home Office wants a woman from Northern Ireland to legally be a British citizen with an Irish passport, not an Irish citizen, so that they can deport her American husband from the UK. This would be contrary to the Good Friday Agreement, which allows citizens to identify as British or Irish or both.

Ol' perfidious Albion, at it again.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:10 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
And yet you wish to remove the choice of business model from business owners.

Is the country a business owner? If it is, then surely it should be ran for profit, yes? We can get rid of minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations and unions?


Why assume all businesses are automatically for profit?
Most non stock corporations are non profits. No HOA or credit union exists to exploit the maximum amount of money from its members, rather they work to make things better for the members.

If you treat you members like crap, why would anyone want to be a member?
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:12 am

Novus America wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Is the country a business owner? If it is, then surely it should be ran for profit, yes? We can get rid of minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations and unions?


Why assume all businesses are automatically for profit?
Most non stock corporations are non profits. No HOA or credit union exists to exploit the maximum amount of money from its members, rather they work to make things better for the members.

An incomprehensible concept, for GVH.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:15 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Only if you're utterly ignorant of basic economics.

So how do minimum wage laws and unions help the economy?


Optimum inequality is NOT maximum inequality. If the people are dirt poor they cannot afford to buy anything. Consumption is low, and thus the economy does poorly. Ever heard of Fordism?
The idea is you pay your workers enough they can afford to but they products they make.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Pambudia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:30 am

how is going with Brexit drama ?
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Postby Novus America » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:31 am

Pambudia wrote:how is going with Brexit drama ?


It is not going. Parliament is paralyzed and shut down, and it is going to be delayed again.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Pambudia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:35 am

Novus America wrote:
Pambudia wrote:how is going with Brexit drama ?


It is not going. Parliament is paralyzed and shut down, and it is going to be delayed again.

lately I often read a little news related to the progress of brexit said by their Prime Minister that they will leave Europe on 31 October
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Postby Heloin » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:37 am

Pambudia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is not going. Parliament is paralyzed and shut down, and it is going to be delayed again.

lately I often read a little news related to the progress of brexit said by their Prime Minister that they will leave Europe on 31 October

If they do then there's a good chance that Prime Minister broke the law and may possibly be going to jail.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:43 am

Pambudia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is not going. Parliament is paralyzed and shut down, and it is going to be delayed again.

lately I often read a little news related to the progress of brexit said by their Prime Minister that they will leave Europe on 31 October


Except that would cause a Constitutional crisis because a Parliament voted to delay indefinitely until a deal is agreed on (which will probably never happen but that is besides the the point).
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Greater Loegria » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:01 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!

This kind of industrial serfdom is what got us into this colossal mess on the first place.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:22 am

Novus America wrote:
Pambudia wrote:how is going with Brexit drama ?


It is not going. Parliament is paralyzed and shut down, and it is going to be delayed again.

It takes two to tango: more Brexlaying isn't just a British decision.

And yes, I just made up "Brexlaying". You read it here first.

Heloin wrote:If they do then there's a good chance that Prime Minister broke the law and may possibly be going to jail.

Screw jail. It's the Tower of London, or off to the Tyburn tree directly.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:39 am

Risottia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
It is not going. Parliament is paralyzed and shut down, and it is going to be delayed again.

It takes two to tango: more Brexlaying isn't just a British decision.

And yes, I just made up "Brexlaying". You read it here first.

Heloin wrote:If they do then there's a good chance that Prime Minister broke the law and may possibly be going to jail.

Screw jail. It's the Tower of London, or off to the Tyburn tree directly.


The EU will grant unlimited extensions to avoid a no deal Brexit.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:42 am

Novus America wrote:
Risottia wrote:It takes two to tango: more Brexlaying isn't just a British decision.

And yes, I just made up "Brexlaying". You read it here first.


Screw jail. It's the Tower of London, or off to the Tyburn tree directly.


The EU will grant unlimited extensions to avoid a no deal Brexit.


I sincerely hope they don't.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:48 am

The Dutch could probably make a profit from the UK crashing out, which might incentivise them to say no eventually.
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