by GLDF » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:53 pm
by Nouveau Quebecois » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:54 pm
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:15 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:17 pm
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:25 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Fascists on the other hand are inherently violent because fascism seeks to minimize freedom and place all power in the hands of a strongman.
Rojava Free State wrote:Fascism encourages tribalism and hysteria in the name of national (and sometimes racial) unity
Rojava Free State wrote:and explicitly supports violence as a means to an end.
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Rojava Free State » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:29 pm
Israeli Totalitariat wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Fascists on the other hand are inherently violent because fascism seeks to minimize freedom and place all power in the hands of a strongman.
That's not violence, chief.Rojava Free State wrote:Fascism encourages tribalism and hysteria in the name of national (and sometimes racial) unity
That's not violence, chief.Rojava Free State wrote:and explicitly supports violence as a means to an end.
Almost any ideology can support violence as a means to an end, including anarchism.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:35 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:How the actual hell do you expect them to keep power? When you minimize freedom, it always involved imprisoning or killing people who don't agree with you. As for the second point I made, that wasn't about violence as much as just what fascism stood for
Fascism is indeed violent. You can't name a single fascist state that didn't use violence and terror to keep its government in power. Plenty of anarchists are pacifists though and reject all violence. These two ideologies are not equal. You can attempt to draw a false equivalence all day and night but anyone who knows anything about anarchism and fascism will know they aren't the same at all
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Kubra » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:39 pm
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:41 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Israeli Totalitariat wrote:That's not violence, chief.
That's not violence, chief.
Almost any ideology can support violence as a means to an end, including anarchism.
#1 yes it is violence
#2 yes it is violence
#3 yes it is violence
How the actual hell do you expect them to keep power? When you minimize freedom, it always involved imprisoning or killing people who don't agree with you. As for the second point I made, that wasn't about violence as much as just what fascism stood for
Fascism is indeed violent. You can't name a single fascist state that didn't use violence and terror to keep its government in power. Plenty of anarchists are pacifists though and reject all violence. These two ideologies are not equal. You can attempt to draw a false equivalence all day and night but anyone who knows anything about anarchism and fascism will know they aren't the same at all
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:44 pm
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:They’re opposites
Fascism is the belief that a state and command economy is needed to keep the populace and country thriving, anarchism is the opposite
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:47 pm
Israeli Totalitariat wrote:Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:They’re opposites
Fascism is the belief that a state and command economy is needed to keep the populace and country thriving, anarchism is the opposite
Nobody said they were the same. He is attacking a strawman so I ignored that part of their argument.
by Gagium » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:51 pm
Israeli Totalitariat wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Fascists on the other hand are inherently violent because fascism seeks to minimize freedom and place all power in the hands of a strongman.
That's not violence, chief.Rojava Free State wrote:Fascism encourages tribalism and hysteria in the name of national (and sometimes racial) unity
That's not violence, chief.Rojava Free State wrote:and explicitly supports violence as a means to an end.
Almost any ideology can support violence as a means to an end, including anarchism.
by GLDF » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:51 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Imo Anarchism cannot be established by violence, because any violence will inevitably result in the recreation of the state and unnatural hierarchy. Instead anarchism must take a radically pacifist approach of dropping out of society to such a degree that the state cannot enforce its rule.
by Antityranicals » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:54 pm
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:55 pm
Gagium wrote:Hey Nouveau Quebecois
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:56 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Anarchism may be violent, but it is not aggressively violent, but more defensively violent, as it fights the state, which is generally the aggressor.
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Roskian Federation » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:00 pm
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:03 pm
Roskian Federation wrote:Anarchism isn't a real ideology because it's completely unenforceable, and thusly it cannot be violent (it has no monopoly of force), and it can't be unviolent (as your claims would have to be defended with violence)
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Antityranicals » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:28 pm
by Antityranicals » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:32 pm
Roskian Federation wrote:in its truest form, all government systems are violent because they rely on monopoly of force to enforce their governance
however, they are not inherently violent per say, even if they are unkind.
Anarchism isn't a real ideology because it's completely unenforceable, and thusly it cannot be violent (it has no monopoly of force), and it can't be unviolent (as your claims would have to be defended with violence)
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:35 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Israeli Totalitariat wrote:Violence is violence, and I don't think 'fighting the state' constitutes self-defense.
The state is by definition aggressive. If it weren't, it wouldn't be a state, but simply an NGO like any other. A state by nature monopolizes its position through aggression. Fighting the state might not technically be self-defense, but it may well be the defense of another who would be the next victim of the state's aggression.
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Ayytaly » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:37 pm
by Israeli Totalitariat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:42 pm
Ayytaly wrote:Anarchism being violent is a stereotype perpetually pushed by bootlickers.
Ayytaly wrote:The right-wing in general share an admirance towards authoritariamism.
= The Israeli Gazelle - May 2010: [...] "Injustice shall no longer live and prosper on the Arab side of the artificial frontier!" - Saviour of Israel, Calel Likud, motivates the IDF for a renewed summer offensive against foreign aggressors. Israel is once again beset on all fronts by enemies who vow it dead! [...]
by Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:48 pm
Israeli Totalitariat wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:Fascists on the other hand are inherently violent because fascism seeks to minimize freedom and place all power in the hands of a strongman.
That's not violence, chief.Rojava Free State wrote:Fascism encourages tribalism and hysteria in the name of national (and sometimes racial) unity
That's not violence, chief.Rojava Free State wrote:and explicitly supports violence as a means to an end.
Almost any ideology can support violence as a means to an end, including anarchism.
by True Refuge » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:53 pm
"One does not need to be surprised then, when 26 years later the outrageous slogan is repeated, which we Marxists burned all bridges with: to “pick up” the banner of the bourgeoisie. - International Communist Party, Dialogue with Stalin.
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