by Proctopeo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:05 am
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:09 am
by Israeli Defense Force » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:09 am
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:09 am
Israeli Defense Force wrote:Isn't Zoe Quinn that loser who slept with journalists in return for good review?
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:11 am
by Page » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:13 am
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:14 am
Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.
by Page » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:15 am
by Proctopeo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:16 am
Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.
by Gormwood » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:19 am
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:19 am
Proctopeo wrote:Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.
Gamergate never really died, because people kept using it as a scapegoat for every ill in the world.Benuty wrote:A quick glance at youtube and Reddit would prove such hopes wrong.
Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".
by Page » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
Proctopeo wrote:Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:20 am
Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.
Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".
by Gormwood » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:22 am
Benuty wrote:Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.
Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".
Jack Thomas, when did you get a Nationstates account?
by Page » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:22 am
Benuty wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Gamergate never really died, because people kept using it as a scapegoat for every ill in the world.
Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".
One can make the argument that the lack of court, and police involvement or solving of such allegations coupled with people calling her a murderer might spark a bit of an outrage. It doesn't help that Sarkeesian is sticking her head in like bait to hungry fish.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:24 am
by Proctopeo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:24 am
Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.
Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".
Page wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".
I still can't grasp how this screeching outrage machine rose out allegations about who a woman may or may not have fucked that might have had something to do with getting a better review on a free to play text based game. It boggles my mind how anyone could care about this even if all of the stuff people said about her was true. Unless the whole thing was just an excuse to harass a woman for the lulz. Which it totally was.
by Page » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:28 am
Proctopeo wrote:Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.
Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".
Wow, such little tact combined with blatantly lying about what's being said. Have anything to actually contribute, Gauth?Page wrote:
I still can't grasp how this screeching outrage machine rose out allegations about who a woman may or may not have fucked that might have had something to do with getting a better review on a free to play text based game. It boggles my mind how anyone could care about this even if all of the stuff people said about her was true. Unless the whole thing was just an excuse to harass a woman for the lulz. Which it totally was.
It wasn't, though. That was a lie perpetuated by games journalists to try and discredit a movement wanting them to, you know, not suck?
Anyway, whether or not GamerGate wanted to exterminate the female race to play video games in peace is irrelevant to this. The only connection is Zoe Quinn.
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:30 am
by Proctopeo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:34 am
Page wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Wow, such little tact combined with blatantly lying about what's being said. Have anything to actually contribute, Gauth?
It wasn't, though. That was a lie perpetuated by games journalists to try and discredit a movement wanting them to, you know, not suck?
Anyway, whether or not GamerGate wanted to exterminate the female race to play video games in peace is irrelevant to this. The only connection is Zoe Quinn.
When this whole thing was going on, I heard people repeating over and over that this was about ''ethics and gaming journalism.''
And I was all like: ''So you're talking about how IGN rubber stamps every new Call of Duty with a 95/100 even though it's just the same damn thing being recreated over and over as a lazy cash grab?''
And they were all like ''No this is about Zoe Quinn and that she did this and this and that and blah, blah, blah'' and that's when I realized there was no credibilty to any of it.
by Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:34 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Tbh I've never understood all this video game drama.
by Munkcestrian Republic » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:35 am
Proctopeo wrote:Shit on KYM all you like, usually information is compiled better than most elsewhere (except the Ooblets article).
Proctopeo wrote:I don't need to cover Zoe Quinn's extensive history online, though I do find it appropriate to note that she has a history of being, let's say, less than completely honest.
Proctopeo wrote:Now for the subjective part. Eileen's announcement of his passing used his death as a soapbox to defend Zoe from "harassment", with a vague implication that her brother was abusive to Zoe, without any evidence besides her own word (which given that Eileen's twitter bio has "feminist" in it, kinda makes sense...).
Proctopeo wrote:Best-case scenario here, Zoe was grossly irresponsible; she should very well know that a mere accusation can destroy a man's life, and should also have known about Alec's mental health situation. Worst-case scenario, she actively intended for him to commit suicide.
Proctopeo wrote:There's other things to add to here other than Zoe's history of dishonesty, like public allegations lately turning out to be mostly to entirely bullshit (Slazo, ProJared, Vic Mignogna), so the trend continuing here would be incredibly plausible.
Proctopeo wrote:Suffice to say it's a shit situation, and my heart goes out to Alec's family, except his sister
by Gravlen » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:36 am
Proctopeo wrote:What a fucking week and a half this has been. Right after a gaming Youtuber cleared his name, this shit happens.
Proctopeo wrote:Now for the subjective part. Eileen's announcement of his passing used his death as a soapbox to defend Zoe from "harassment", with a vague implication that her brother was abusive to Zoe, without any evidence besides her own word (which given that Eileen's twitter bio has "feminist" in it, kinda makes sense...). Best-case scenario here, Zoe was grossly irresponsible; she should very well know that a mere accusation can destroy a man's life, and should also have known about Alec's mental health situation. Worst-case scenario, she actively intended for him to commit suicide.
Proctopeo wrote:There's other things to add to here other than Zoe's history of dishonesty, like public allegations lately turning out to be mostly to entirely bullshit (Slazo, ProJared, Vic Mignogna), so the trend continuing here would be incredibly plausible. Was Alec a perfect person? Certainly not, he had issues and demons of his own to deal with.
This week allegations of abuse came to light against Alec Holowka, coder/composer/co-designer of NITW. Since then several other people have stepped forward, detailing issues of varying levels of severity that stretch right up to today. As a result, we won't be working with Alec anymore.
Proctopeo wrote:Suffice to say it's a shit situation, and my heart goes out to Alec's family, except his sister
by Munkcestrian Republic » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:37 am
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