NATION

PASSWORD

Immigrant recruits who were promised citizenship discharged

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Iridencia
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 356
Founded: Feb 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Immigrant recruits who were promised citizenship discharged

Postby Iridencia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:36 am

U.S. Army Is Discharging Immigrant Recruits Who Were Promised Citizenship

Panshu Zhao moved to the U.S. from China about eight years ago to study. It was the culmination of a lifelong dream.

Since then, he has completed a graduate degree and is now pursuing a doctorate in geography at Texas A&M University. In describing his life to NPR's Steve Inskeep on Friday, he divided it into two parts: his life in China and his American life.

The latter includes regular attendance at a Christian church and a deep respect for the military. So deep, in fact, that in 2016 he enlisted and has been serving in the Army Reserve while awaiting orders for full-time training.

But Zhao recently found himself among dozens of immigrant recruits who joined the military through a special Defense Department program promising an expedited path to citizenship, but then were abruptly discharged with little or no explanation.

According to The Associated Press, about 40 enlistees — reservists and active duty recruits, all in the U.S. legally — had been waiting for years to be cleared for duty before being told in recent weeks that they are not eligible to serve in the U.S. military. And for many, the rejection has thrown their immigration status into limbo.

"This is a whole disaster," Zhao told NPR.

The devastating news was delivered by his recruiter, who told him, Zhao said, that for unspecified reasons, he had failed a background check.

He said the recruiter "told me I can't be a soldier anymore without telling me specifically why and even not giving me any chance to appeal."

The Pentagon has denied any changes in policy. In a statement Friday, Cynthia O. Smith, a Department of the Army spokeswoman, said all recruits are required "to undergo a suitability review as part of the military accessions process" and "one aspect of that review is a security screening."

A non-U.S. citizen recruit who receives "an unfavorable security screening is deemed unsuitable for military service and is administratively discharged," the statement said.

Among the qualities that might make a potential enlistee under the program unsuitable are a criminal record, dishonesty or questions about character.

Smith said the length of time for reviews varies and is dependent on each recruit's "individualized suitability review" and the person's "unique background."

The immigrants who were recently discharged had all signed up as part of the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest, or MAVNI, program. It was established in 2009 to create an opportunity for the military to enlist people with specialized knowledge, including highly sought-after language and medical skills.

Those enrolling had to reside in the U.S. legally, such as under student visas, or seek asylum but could not be green card holders. Enlisting gave them a fast-track path to citizenship, sometimes even before beginning basic training.

Over the past nine years, about 10,400 foreign-born service members have joined the military through the program. But as more and more layers of security checks have been added, hundreds of enlistees have been stuck in a state of purgatory.

The MAVNI program has had a troubled history almost from the start. It was suspended shortly after it got off the ground in 2009, following a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas. Before authorities discovered that U.S.-born Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was behind the massacre, officials feared the risk of a foreign-born insider threat within the ranks. That eventually led to more stringent security checks when the program was reinstated in 2012.

Lawmakers later objected when it was expanded to include recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in 2014.

The MAVNI program officially ended in 2016, on the heels of a "classified assessment that said it was vulnerable to unacceptable levels of risks, like terrorism and espionage," Maj. Carla Gleason, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon, told NPR in an interview. But, due to a processing logjam, officials requested and were granted a yearlong extension during which new enlistees could still apply. That expired in September 2017. Since then, the program has been shuttered while officials continue to work toward completing all remaining security clearance evaluations.

In October 2017, the Pentagon changed the naturalization policy for MAVNI enlisted troops. Before then, enlistees could apply for citizenship a couple of days before basic training and before a complete security screening. Now, personnel are required to serve honorably for 180 days and the full screening must be approved.

Gleason said that "as of April 2018, roughly 1,100 people who had signed contracts but had not gone off to basic training" were in the delayed entry pipeline.

There is no established deadline for processing security checks, according to Gleason and she is unaware of any plans to reinstate the MAVNI program at this time. But she added, "The skills that made this program valuable are skills that remain necessary to the military. We are a diverse force that needs cultural and language diversity."

The discharge of the immigrant recruits and reservists comes at a time when the Army needs more soldiers. And the booming economy is making it hard to find those willing to sign up.

This year the Army said it needs 76,000 recruits to fill its ranks. That's 16,000 more than last year.

Adding to the challenge, some 70 percent of young people don't qualify for military service because of criminal convictions or failure to meet the education or physical requirements.

So the Army is being forced to give waivers to recruits, for such things as minor drug charges or physical problems, to boost enlistment.

In comparison, a 2017 RAND study found that MAVNI recruits "have a number of characteristics associated with better performance, including age." The study also said they have higher levels of education and higher Armed Forces Qualification Test scores.

The Military Times estimates that the "remaining 1,000 or so participants" who are still waiting to be cleared for duty will likely be released from their contracts.

Meanwhile, for men and women with expiring visas, their chances of becoming naturalized citizens are shrinking, retired Army Reserve Lt. Col. Margaret Stock told NPR.

"They are timing out of the program before they even get a chance to serve because they only have three years" during which they can go without reporting for duty, Stock said.

Stock, who has been contacted by several dejected and confused MAVNI recruits who were "administratively discharged" over the last couple of months, helped create the program. She contends the spate of rejection notices — either by phone, email, text or letter — by the DOD is the department's solution to an onerous vetting process and the program as a whole.

"They ordered a whole pile of new background checks and they have no capability or resources to do them, so the solution is, 'Let's just get rid of these people because it's too much trouble to process them,' " Stock said.

Many of the people reaching out to Stock for help say they have not been told why they have been rejected, and they received only a terse explanation of "national security reasons" from officials. And they have no means of appealing the process, so they are asking Stock for legal advice. She is now an immigration lawyer.

She argues the military is violating its own regulations, which state that when a person is discharged based on the security investigation, they have to be notified and given an opportunity to contest the findings.

Last week, Lucas Calixto, a Brazilian national, filed a lawsuit against the Army alleging that he was eliminated from MAVNI for "personnel security reasons." He is demanding a chance to defend himself.

NPR interviewed a reservist who filed a Freedom of Information Act request and received records containing the reason for his discharge. He asked not to be identified by name but provided the documents to NPR.

In them, the Army lists seven categories for discharging someone including financial, loyalty, criminal and foreign ties.

In this man's case, officials determined his foreign ties made him ineligible for the MAVNI program. They cite the fact that both of his parents and his fiancee still live in Pakistan.

In a separate section, the man's Counterintelligence Reviewer notes that the recruit "has wanted to come to America since he was five." Also, that his cellphone case is an American flag and that he has a U.S. Army bumper sticker on his car.

He "has such a deep and longstanding loyalty to the U.S. that HE can be expected to resolve any conflict of interest in favor of the U.S. This mitigates [his foreign ties risk]," the reviewer wrote.

Despite the vote of approval, the Pakistani man was still discharged.

"These are the reasons on the basis of which I've been denied, or, you know, I've been declared unfavorable for military," he told NPR.

Recalling the moment he first learned of the discharge after waiting more than two years for active duty deployment, he said, "There were so many tears in my eyes that my hands couldn't move fast enough to wipe them out."

Stock, who has reviewed the document, said the explanation doesn't make any sense.

"The paperwork just said foreign ties. But they're ordinary, normal ties that any immigrant would have," she said, adding that "many members of the military who are married to foreigners [have] children born in foreign countries, have parents who are foreigners, brothers and sisters who are foreigners."

"It's very common in a global military like the United States military that people will have foreign ties," Stock added.

That is little comfort to the man from Pakistan and Zhao, who fear the possibility of being deported as a result of their discharge. Both took an oath of allegiance upon enlisting, and they fear that will make them targets of their respective governments back home.

In Zhao's case, he formed an organization called Asian-American Soldiers for America that delivered letters to President Trump last year and met with several senators and congressmen on a visit to Washington, D.C.

"I'm pretty sure the Chinese government knows what I did, and that they know my name," he said, referring to the oath of allegiance. "I don't know what will happen if I go back."


TL;DR: Several people who joined the US military as a path to citizenship have been abruptly discharged for no apparent reason. A few of these people originate from countries where they could face punishment for attempting to defect to the United States.

To me, this is a neat little bundle that illustrates the various falsehoods that America likes to tell itself: 1) That we care so deeply about our veterans and want to help them in any way we can, 2) That we only have a problem with immigrants who don't contribute to our society, 3) That we only have a problem with illegal immigrants.

The stated intention is security measures, but this is such bunk. They're putting more trust in convicted criminals simply because they were born here rather than good, hard working, loyal people who had the audacity to have relatives living in other places. That's not a problem with security, that's a problem with someone's birth circumstances.

Of course, I would be open to other, actually understandable explanations should the military wish to provide them, but it's hard to see how there could be any.

User avatar
Esheaun Stroakuss
Minister
 
Posts: 2023
Founded: May 23, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:38 am

As unsurprising as it is disgusting.
For: Socialism, Democracy, LGBT+, BLM, Freedom of Speech, Marxist Theory, Atheism, Freedom of/from Religion, Universal Healthcare
Against: Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism, Fascism/Nazism, Authoritarianism, TERFs, Tankies, Neoliberalism, Conservatism, Capitalism

Esheaun Stroakuss is leaderless.

User avatar
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
Minister
 
Posts: 3230
Founded: Sep 01, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:39 am

US and China don’t have the best relations rn, a Chinese citizen in the military could be a spy, no one wants to take risks
Not an adherent of Italian Fascism anymore, leaning more and more towards Falangist Syndicalism
Corporatism and Corporatocracy are completely different things
9axes
Pro: Falange, Command Economy, Class-Cooperation, Cultural Nationalism, Authoritarianism, Third Positionism, Border Security
Anti: Communism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Trump, Globalism, Racism, Democracy, Immigration

User avatar
Saiwania
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22269
Founded: Jun 30, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Saiwania » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:41 am

The mistake in my view, was promising them US citizenship in the first place. Any Chinese from the PRC are untrustworthy I'd say. In lieu of giving them citizenship, I'm more in favor of giving them $100 to $1,000 each. Enough so they can travel well enough but their experience not being a total loss.
Last edited by Saiwania on Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sith Acolyte
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken!

User avatar
Esheaun Stroakuss
Minister
 
Posts: 2023
Founded: May 23, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:43 am

Oh dear.
Last edited by Esheaun Stroakuss on Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
For: Socialism, Democracy, LGBT+, BLM, Freedom of Speech, Marxist Theory, Atheism, Freedom of/from Religion, Universal Healthcare
Against: Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism, Fascism/Nazism, Authoritarianism, TERFs, Tankies, Neoliberalism, Conservatism, Capitalism

Esheaun Stroakuss is leaderless.

User avatar
The South Falls
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13353
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:45 am

Everyone who's not a red-blooded white guy is clearly untrustworthy. Obviously people are physically bound to their home nations, and nothing will ever, ever change.
/s
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.

User avatar
Pacomia
Senator
 
Posts: 4811
Founded: May 23, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Pacomia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:49 am

The South Falls wrote:Everyone who's not a red-blooded white guy is clearly untrustworthy. Obviously people are physically bound to their home nations, and nothing will ever, ever change.
/s

The moment I cross the border into Canada, all of a sudden I’m stealing things and collecting secret information and shooting people...
This nation is based on (a slightly more extreme version of) my IRL opinions, and I answer issues accordingly.
Current accidental policies: No Sex
Results of political various tests I took meme awesome
Progressive capitalism gang

GLORY TO CASCADIA, NUCLEAR ENERGY IS A GOOD THING!
This user is a male.

User avatar
Israeli Defense Force
Envoy
 
Posts: 254
Founded: Nov 15, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Israeli Defense Force » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:53 am

failed a background check

/thread

User avatar
Tekeristan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5344
Founded: Mar 08, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Tekeristan » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:53 am

I just got back from the Congo, where I chopped the hands and feet off dozens of indigenous people for failing to harvest enough naturally occurring rubber.

Thank you, Belgium ancestry

User avatar
Israeli Defense Force
Envoy
 
Posts: 254
Founded: Nov 15, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Israeli Defense Force » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:54 am

The South Falls wrote:Everyone who's not a red-blooded white guy is clearly untrustworthy. Obviously people are physically bound to their home nations, and nothing will ever, ever change.
/s

Glad that is sarcasm, since a plurality of male recruits and majority of female recruits are non-white. So obviously it isn't about race.

User avatar
The South Falls
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13353
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:56 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
failed a background check

/thread

For what reason though? Just "failed a background check" doesn't give us insight onto what criteria.
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.

User avatar
Iridencia
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 356
Founded: Feb 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Iridencia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:56 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
failed a background check

/thread

the military is violating its own regulations, which state that when a person is discharged based on the security investigation, they have to be notified and given an opportunity to contest the findings


/yourargument

User avatar
Pacomia
Senator
 
Posts: 4811
Founded: May 23, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Pacomia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:57 am

Tekeristan wrote:I just got back from the Congo, where I chopped the hands and feet off dozens of indigenous people for failing to harvest enough naturally occurring rubber.

Thank you, Belgium ancestry

I know the feeling. I keep committing various human rights violations and sending people to prison camps. Must have something to do with my Korean ancestry.
This nation is based on (a slightly more extreme version of) my IRL opinions, and I answer issues accordingly.
Current accidental policies: No Sex
Results of political various tests I took meme awesome
Progressive capitalism gang

GLORY TO CASCADIA, NUCLEAR ENERGY IS A GOOD THING!
This user is a male.

User avatar
Esheaun Stroakuss
Minister
 
Posts: 2023
Founded: May 23, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:58 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
failed a background check

/thread


If someone fails a background check, they should be able to appeal this or should be told why it failed, and given a chance to rectify. You don't just throw people out who fail it first time.
For: Socialism, Democracy, LGBT+, BLM, Freedom of Speech, Marxist Theory, Atheism, Freedom of/from Religion, Universal Healthcare
Against: Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism, Fascism/Nazism, Authoritarianism, TERFs, Tankies, Neoliberalism, Conservatism, Capitalism

Esheaun Stroakuss is leaderless.

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 163946
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:00 am

Last year's news? What are you doing here?
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
Israeli Defense Force
Envoy
 
Posts: 254
Founded: Nov 15, 2012
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Israeli Defense Force » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:03 am

Iridencia wrote:she argues


/yourargument

User avatar
Skyhooked
Senator
 
Posts: 4107
Founded: Mar 18, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Skyhooked » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:04 am

The South Falls wrote:Everyone who's not a red-blooded white guy is clearly untrustworthy. Obviously people are physically bound to their home nations, and nothing will ever, ever change.
/s


Well, I dunno about ya', but I am not tied to some road sign pole in Ukraine with a duct tape, so that statement is not true. Everyone with good moral qualities and lots of free booze is trustworthy.
Skyhooked is MT/PMT with a few FT elements. Military is factbook only. NS stats are mostly non canon.
If you wanna know more about this haven of sin: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=418281&start=1

Our country offers: Alcohol, guns, cigars, weed, gambling, beaches and tons of souvenirs. And our current special: PL-74 Plasma rifle 25% discount!

Refreshing News:
Skyhooked is at war with Octavia, still holding agaisnt endless hordes of robots, vampires and traitors of humanity!/Global Defense Council was formed to help Earth hold agaisnt invasion./Luckily, we survived long enough and forces of Mandate of Humanity have arrived. (https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=484352)

User avatar
Iridencia
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 356
Founded: Feb 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Iridencia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:10 am

Israeli Defense Force wrote:
Iridencia wrote:she argues


/yourargument


It is a good argument, unlike, "Well if Uncle Sam said they're bad then case closed!" The rule does in fact exist, and it is in fact not being followed.

You don't get to way your finger disapprovingly going, "Tsk, tsk! Rules are rules!" but then conveniently treat those rules like they're no big deal the second they inconvenience your incurious eagerness to throw people under the bus.

User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 78486
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:18 am

Ifreann wrote:Last year's news? What are you doing here?

Dredging up them feels

Anyway this is stupid. We should be giving out citizenship to those who want to join the military
Male, Jewish, lives somewhere in AZ, Disabled US Military Veteran, Oorah!, I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Pacomia
Senator
 
Posts: 4811
Founded: May 23, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Pacomia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:37 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Last year's news? What are you doing here?

Dredging up them feels

Anyway this is stupid. We should be giving out citizenship to those who want to join the military

Yeah, they’re doing more for this country than most actual citizens.
This nation is based on (a slightly more extreme version of) my IRL opinions, and I answer issues accordingly.
Current accidental policies: No Sex
Results of political various tests I took meme awesome
Progressive capitalism gang

GLORY TO CASCADIA, NUCLEAR ENERGY IS A GOOD THING!
This user is a male.

User avatar
The South Falls
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13353
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:42 am

Pacomia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: Dredging up them feels

Anyway this is stupid. We should be giving out citizenship to those who want to join the military

Yeah, they’re doing more for this country than most actual citizens.

Screaming "support the troops" and beating everyone over the head with it is not serving in the military?
This is an MT nation that reflects some of my beliefs, trade deals and debate always welcome! Call me TeaSF. A level 8, according to This Index.


Political Compass Results:

Economic: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I make dumb jokes. I'm really serious about that.

User avatar
Pacomia
Senator
 
Posts: 4811
Founded: May 23, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Pacomia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:47 am

The South Falls wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, they’re doing more for this country than most actual citizens.

Screaming "support the troops" and beating everyone over the head with it is not serving in the military?

While meanwhile being a Vietnam draft dodger?
This nation is based on (a slightly more extreme version of) my IRL opinions, and I answer issues accordingly.
Current accidental policies: No Sex
Results of political various tests I took meme awesome
Progressive capitalism gang

GLORY TO CASCADIA, NUCLEAR ENERGY IS A GOOD THING!
This user is a male.

User avatar
Thermodolia
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 78486
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:47 am

The South Falls wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Yeah, they’re doing more for this country than most actual citizens.

Screaming "support the troops" and beating everyone over the head with it is not serving in the military?

They’ve done that for years. Support the troops going to die in some war but fuck the veterans
Male, Jewish, lives somewhere in AZ, Disabled US Military Veteran, Oorah!, I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

User avatar
Cruciland
Senator
 
Posts: 4659
Founded: Dec 22, 2011
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Cruciland » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:55 am

Well, that's quite unfortunate... I think this snippet from the article sums up the problem well:
"They ordered a whole pile of new background checks and they have no capability or resources to do them, so the solution is, 'Let's just get rid of these people because it's too much trouble to process them,' " Stock said.

Many of the people reaching out to Stock for help say they have not been told why they have been rejected, and they received only a terse explanation of "national security reasons" from officials. And they have no means of appealing the process, so they are asking Stock for legal advice. She is now an immigration lawyer.

She argues the military is violating its own regulations, which state that when a person is discharged based on the security investigation, they have to be notified and given an opportunity to contest the findings.

We really need to ramp up transparency with regards to why people get discharged, in addition to not letting officials cut corners when people's live(lihood)s are at stake. Not a lot more needs to be said; these immigrants came here lawfully and with (at least demonstrably) noble intentions, and should indeed be treated better than this. But, I do understand the risk that China poses, and how immigrants such as Panshu Zhao could be seen as a liability. I'm hopeful that they will find a way to keep him from suffering further ramifications over this; he hasn't been found guilty of anything.
Last edited by Cruciland on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
THREADS SINGLE-HANDEDLY KILLED: 29 | Beliefs IBeliefs IIBeliefs III
Crucilandians - Old Capital - New Capital | A 4.8 civilization, according to this index.
Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.

The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.

User avatar
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana
Minister
 
Posts: 3230
Founded: Sep 01, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:03 am

Tekeristan wrote:I just got back from the Congo, where I chopped the hands and feet off dozens of indigenous people for failing to harvest enough naturally occurring rubber.

Thank you, Belgium ancestry

It’s not ancestry, it’s Chinese citizens

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Last year's news? What are you doing here?

Dredging up them feels

Anyway this is stupid. We should be giving out citizenship to those who want to join the military

Do you know that such a thing will result in mass exploitation
Not an adherent of Italian Fascism anymore, leaning more and more towards Falangist Syndicalism
Corporatism and Corporatocracy are completely different things
9axes
Pro: Falange, Command Economy, Class-Cooperation, Cultural Nationalism, Authoritarianism, Third Positionism, Border Security
Anti: Communism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Trump, Globalism, Racism, Democracy, Immigration

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Featured Trump, Grinning Dragon, Ifreann, Shrillland, Stellar Colonies, The Greater Ohio Valley, Tiami, Tungstan

Advertisement

Remove ads