Influential Billionaire David Koch Dies

[Fahran]

Whatever your disagreements with Koch's policies that he advocated for, and however strong your disagreements may be, the fact remains Koch advocated and pushed for his ideas in a voluntary marketplace of ideas and a lawful democratic process. At no point did he erect camps and toss his opponents in them, he never ordered the extrajudicial killings of his opponents, he didn't cause a massive hyperinflation crisis that caused millions of Americans to die of starvation and malnutrition.

So you're saying the cheering and gloating when Chavez and Castro died were justified. Koch not directly inflicting violence means nothing if the end results of his agenda still result in people suffering and struggling.

No, read my full post.

[Aclion]

A lot of people are real surly behind a digital screen. It shouldn't surprise you, to be honest.

Agreed, its really shocking the vitriol and bile people are spewing at a grieving family just because they disagree with the deceased's personal political views. Where has human decency gone at this point?

These guys are democrats/leftists.

Exploiting and manipulating rules and stacking government in your favor is only persuasive in the same sense a gun to the head or a threat of your livelihood being stripped.

literally the argument behind "taxation is slavery"

[Grahnol]

Okay, so, I'm not very well knowledged in this subject. I know who David Koch is but I don't know much about his actions apart from his business ventures and what he did in politics. Nevertheless, I am somewhat aware of him funding certain people in politics to get them in power which isn't something I'm terribly keen on and raises some suspicion on him. Also he apparently funded the spread of non-scientific views of climate change or something??? I can't really formulate much of an opinion about his death.

I have taken a look at some of his political views and they seem fairly agreeable although I have only scratched the surface about them. I heard he has supported libertarians and conservatives, two groups which I find their American streams to be hit or miss, often miss. The majority of people that seem to be celebrating his death are people on the far-left or otherwise American progressives on the somewhat far-left side which I also really don't like.

Overall I don't really have much feeling in regards to his death. If anyone could inform me more about him that would be nice. I'm expecting some very mixed responses from many points of views given how highly controversial he apparently is

[Necroghastia]

Agreed, its really shocking the vitriol and bile people are spewing at a grieving family just because they disagree with the deceased's personal political views. Where has human decency gone at this point?

These guys are democrats/leftists.

Exploiting and manipulating rules and stacking government in your favor is only persuasive in the same sense a gun to the head or a threat of your livelihood being stripped.

literally the argument behind "taxation is slavery"

Maybe, if you cross your eyes and interpret the squiggles.

[The Black Forrest]

Agreed, its really shocking the vitriol and bile people are spewing at a grieving family just because they disagree with the deceased's personal political views. Where has human decency gone at this point?

These guys are democrats/leftists.

Kind of like those republican/conservatives who say nasty shit when a homosexual dies.

[Korladis]

I'm not sad to see Koch go given how much damage he did to the average American through backing some of the worst elements of the Republican party.

[Infected Mushroom]

He is one of the ultimate incarnations/personifications of capitalism as a force of change (especially Western American capitalism).

However, I disagree with some of his policies and actions, when a person has a wallet of that magnitude, they earn a portion of unconditional respect.

[Purgatio]

He is one of the ultimate incarnations/personifications of capitalism as a force of change (especially Western American capitalism).

However, I disagree with some of his policies and actions, when a person has a wallet of that magnitude, they earn a portion of unconditional respect.

David Koch's father Fred Koch managed to build a huge and successful business empire and the Koch brothers have managed that empire well, to me that's the sign of a successful and prestigious family worthy of respect in society

[Fahran]

These guys are democrats/leftists.

Kind of like those republican/conservatives who say nasty shit when a homosexual dies.

And that's pretty awful, no?

I'm not sad to see Koch go given how much damage he did to the average American through backing some of the worst elements of the Republican party.

There are much worse elements frankly - in both parties.

[Godular]

I despised his politics. He struck me as one of the posterchildren for all that is wrong with US politics and campaign finance, and if anybody asks I'll point out that I have similar issues with Soros.

Does that mean I'm glad he's gone? Well, probably. Will his passing change much? Probably not.

I won't dance over his proverbial grave though. If anything, I find myself as phenomenally ambivalent as can be. Death comes for us all.

[Djuph]

Kind of like those republican/conservatives who say nasty shit when a homosexual dies.

Are you aware that "homosexual" is considered "nasty shit" to say about a gay person?

[Infected Mushroom]

He is one of the ultimate incarnations/personifications of capitalism as a force of change (especially Western American capitalism).

However, I disagree with some of his policies and actions, when a person has a wallet of that magnitude, they earn a portion of unconditional respect.

David Koch's father Fred Koch managed to build a huge and successful business empire and the Koch brothers have managed that empire well, to me that's the sign of a successful and prestigious family worthy of respect in society

Was he richer than Donald Trump?

[Ifreann]

He is one of the ultimate incarnations/personifications of capitalism as a force of change (especially Western American capitalism).

However, I disagree with some of his policies and actions, when a person has a wallet of that magnitude, they earn a portion of unconditional respect.

David Koch's father Fred Koch managed to build a huge and successful business empire and the Koch brothers have managed that empire well, to me that's the sign of a successful and prestigious family worthy of respect in society

Fred Koch built an oil refinery for Hitler.

[Greed and Death]

David Koch's father Fred Koch managed to build a huge and successful business empire and the Koch brothers have managed that empire well, to me that's the sign of a successful and prestigious family worthy of respect in society

Fred Koch built an oil refinery for Hitler.

Before or after the start of the holocaust in 1941?

[Ifreann]

Fred Koch built an oil refinery for Hitler.

Before or after the start of the holocaust in 1941?

In 1934.

[Greed and Death]

Before or after the start of the holocaust in 1941?

In 1934.

So extremely early in Hitler's control of Germany when every major company was doing business with Nazi Germany ?

Ok

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I don't mourn the dead, but I will remember David Koch. Remember: I normally un-person someone after they die, but Koch is an exception because I'm pro-trump.

That's nice!

[Ifreann]

In 1934.

So extremely early in Hitler's control of Germany when every major company was doing business with Nazi Germany ?

Ok

Yes, Fred Koch was among those businessmen who saw Hitler's fascist takeover of Germany and thought "Gotta get me some of them reichsmarks".

[Djuph]

"the basis of every geat fortune is usually a great crime"

[Thermodolia]

So extremely early in Hitler's control of Germany when every major company was doing business with Nazi Germany ?

Ok

Yes, Fred Koch was among those businessmen who saw Hitler's fascist takeover of Germany and thought "Gotta get me some of them reichsmarks".

So literally all companies. GM, Coke, and several other companies wanted in on it because fascism is pretty much rule by corporations

[Ifreann]

Yes, Fred Koch was among those businessmen who saw Hitler's fascist takeover of Germany and thought "Gotta get me some of them reichsmarks".

So literally all companies. GM, Coke, and several other companies wanted in on it because fascism is pretty much rule by corporations

No capitalist is free of sin.

[Hurdergaryp]

So literally all companies. GM, Coke, and several other companies wanted in on it because fascism is pretty much rule by corporations

No capitalist is free of sin.

Are you suggesting that our corporate overlords, those magnificent job creators, are not flawless?

[Ifreann]

No capitalist is free of sin.

Are you suggesting that our corporate overlords, those magnificent job creators, are not flawless?

In fact they are the devil.

[Greed and Death]

Yes, Fred Koch was among those businessmen who saw Hitler's fascist takeover of Germany and thought "Gotta get me some of them reichsmarks".

So literally all companies. GM, Coke, and several other companies wanted in on it because fascism is pretty much rule by corporations

If the date provided is correct it appears Koch stopped doing business with Nazi Germany before most other major American companies stopped doing business.

So maybe Ifreann is singing Mr Koch's praise.

[Ifreann]

So literally all companies. GM, Coke, and several other companies wanted in on it because fascism is pretty much rule by corporations

If the date provided is correct it appears Koch stopped doing business with Nazi Germany before most other major American companies stopped doing business.

So maybe Ifreann is singing Mr Koch's praise.

Yes, maybe I'm singing the praise of Fred Koch by pointing out his dealings with Hitler. Maybe.