Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Fahran]

Only OEP could inspire multiple pages of spiritual debate.

We just want to save your soul.

[Jolthig]

It's not about the post-war shame. They had a pretty impressive army during the Cold War (where most of the policies regarding the post-war shame were in effect). This is just the "We won! The Cold war is over! No matter how much you jump and point, I'm not going to turn back. We won and that's all there is" that all of Western Europe is going under at the moment (and will probably get out of by 2020ish)

True. West Germany had the best Army in Europe in the 80s. It actually had more armored divisions (6) than the US (4).

It being cheap, weak and lazy on defense is a Post Cold War thing. It started in the 90s, not the 40s.

You can thank some ex-Nazis for helping to organize West German Armed Forces.

[Fahran]

And that last one is a new one, we really have reached peak postmodernist leftism when physical fitness is now bigoted...
Seriously how low can it go.

Man I really need to get more bigoted then...

The last one was actually a satirical piece, but it does remind me of something the fat acceptance crowd would seriously publish in response to the last serious article I produced. I'd recommend lifting weights. You'll burn calories pretty quickly and you'll tone muscles at the same time. You just need a good regimen and diet.

[SD_Film Artists]

1. The west had a pre-christian past, so our existence is not dependent on Christianity.
2. The U.S. was founded on a secular government, not on Christianity. Our Constitution pretty much says this.

Not really secular, but more of a freedom to choose your religion. Also, the U.S. is kind of based on Christianity, and most of today’s population here are Protestants.

The US has the odd paradox of having a separation of church and state yet it's by far the most theocratic country in the G7.

[Fahran]

People once acted like I killed someone when I said fast food restaurants should be banned.

The one thing fascism got right was trying to turn the nation into a bunch of physically fit homoerotic citizens.

I'm not in favor of banning fast food restaurants so much as I'm in favor of improving food-related infrastructure and remedying the cultural issues that have led to our over-reliance on fast food. Personally, I'm making a good faith effort to teach my sorority sisters to cook and last semester I got the exec board to make a fitness log to accompany our study log. It's not overly strict, but I do want to encourage our fish to stay healthy so they can experience the health benefits that come with it. It's also a good way to get shyer people to socialize - and I probably need that to be honest.

[Novus America]

And that last one is a new one, we really have reached peak postmodernist leftism when physical fitness is now bigoted...
Seriously how low can it go.

Man I really need to get more bigoted then...

The last one was actually a satirical piece, but it does remind me of something the fat acceptance crowd would seriously publish in response to the last serious article I produced. I'd recommend lifting weights. You'll burn calories pretty quickly and you'll tone muscles at the same time. You just need a good regimen and diet.

Well the sad thing is it actually looked like real piece. I bet some on the postmodern left actually believe that.

[Fahran]

1. The west had a pre-christian past, so our existence is not dependent on Christianity.
2. The U.S. was founded on a secular government, not on Christianity. Our Constitution pretty much says this.

1. The modern West is heavily reliant on Christian traditions and mores - and, despite retroactive attempts to liberalize Roman social conventions in popular media, the Church may well have liberalized and softened pagan attitudes among the Latins and Germans, the latter most especially.

2. The cultural values that would shape American political culture and society far predate the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Even American secularism, which I do value, has some origins with theologians in New England, who were deeply concerned about the individual's and community's relationship with G-d.

[Jolthig]

1. The west had a pre-christian past, so our existence is not dependent on Christianity.
2. The U.S. was founded on a secular government, not on Christianity. Our Constitution pretty much says this.

1. The modern West is heavily reliant on Christian traditions and mores - and, despite retroactive attempts to liberalize Roman social conventions in popular media, the Church may well have liberalized and softened pagan attitudes among the Latins and Germans, the latter most especially.

2. The cultural values that would shape American political culture and society far predate the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Even American secularism, which I do value, has some origins with theologians in New England, who were deeply concerned about the individual's and community's relationship with G-d.

2. Yet, some of the founding fathers actually opposed organized religion especially Thomas Jefferson which helped form the first amendment.

[Novus America]

True. West Germany had the best Army in Europe in the 80s. It actually had more armored divisions (6) than the US (4).

It being cheap, weak and lazy on defense is a Post Cold War thing. It started in the 90s, not the 40s.

You can thank some ex-Nazis for helping to organize West German Armed Forces.

Well true we did have to use former Wehrmacht personnel (as we had no alternative) to help organize it at the beginning. Also the Wehrmacht despite the hideous atrocities did develop an effective combined arms doctrine, that we partially adopted and learned from as well.

Although by the 80s there would be few if any left who had fought for the Wehrmacht.

[Hanafuridake]

Only OEP could inspire multiple pages of spiritual debate.

Confucius says, you wish lol.

[Totally Not OEP]

It's not about the post-war shame. They had a pretty impressive army during the Cold War (where most of the policies regarding the post-war shame were in effect). This is just the "We won! The Cold war is over! No matter how much you jump and point, I'm not going to turn back. We won and that's all there is" that all of Western Europe is going under at the moment (and will probably get out of by 2020ish)

True. West Germany had the best Army in Europe in the 80s. It actually had more armored divisions (6) than the US (4).

It being cheap, weak and lazy on defense is a Post Cold War thing. It started in the 90s, not the 40s.

The funny thing is that West Germany had arguably a better opening in the 80s than the Third Reich did in the 40s.

[Fahran]

2. Yet, some of the founding fathers actually opposed organized religion especially Thomas Jefferson which helped form the first amendment.

True. Quite a few of the notables with theists, deists, or even atheists despite most of them at least attending church and keeping up appearances. Thomas Jefferson was a radical by the standards of his time and would likely be seen as a radical in many respects today. He sympathized with the Jacobins after all, and advocated for a bloody revolution every couple decades.

[Totally Not OEP]

Only OEP could inspire multiple pages of spiritual debate.

We just want to save your soul.

When you recognize Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then we shall talk.

Only OEP could inspire multiple pages of spiritual debate.

Confucius says, you wish lol.

Give me my damn fortune cookie then at least.

[Hanafuridake]

1. The west had a pre-christian past, so our existence is not dependent on Christianity.

The Pre-Christian West didn't exist. Unless you mean the chaotic mass of Romans, Celts, and Germanic tribes who shared nothing in common.

[Fahran]

When you recognize Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then we shall talk.

I can't wait to talk to you in... an infinite number of eternities from now.

I do have respect for Christianity and for Christians, but I'm still devotedly Jewish. Someone has to be in this day and age.

[Jolthig]

You can thank some ex-Nazis for helping to organize West German Armed Forces.

Well true we did have to use former Wehrmacht personnel (as we had no alternative) to help organize it at the beginning. Also the Wehrmacht despite the hideous atrocities did develop an effective combined arms doctrine, that we partially adopted and learned from as well.

Although by the 80s there would be few if any left who had fought for the Wehrmacht.

True.

[Totally Not OEP]

You can thank some ex-Nazis for helping to organize West German Armed Forces.

Well true we did have to use former Wehrmacht personnel (as we had no alternative) to help organize it at the beginning. Also the Wehrmacht despite the hideous atrocities did develop an effective combined arms doctrine, that we partially adopted and learned from as well.

Although by the 80s there would be few if any left who had fought for the Wehrmacht.

IIRC in the 1950s they approached Gotthard Heinrici to become Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, but he turned it down because he wanted to more directly mold it into a force like the old Reichswehr and Wehrmacht.

[Totally Not OEP]

When you recognize Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then we shall talk.

I can't wait to talk to you in... an infinite number of eternities from now.

I do have respect for Christianity and for Christians, but I'm still devotedly Jewish. Someone has to be in this day and age.

So the Black Israelites?

[Hanafuridake]

When you recognize Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then we shall talk.

I can't wait to talk to you in... an infinite number of eternities from now.

I do have respect for Christianity and for Christians, but I'm still devotedly Jewish. Someone has to be in this day and age.

It's something I can't understand, to be honest. I can't see why a Jewish conservative wouldn't prefer to live in Israel rather than in a country which religion is antithetical to theirs. Especially since the Law of Return guarantees citizenship.

[Novus America]

Well true we did have to use former Wehrmacht personnel (as we had no alternative) to help organize it at the beginning. Also the Wehrmacht despite the hideous atrocities did develop an effective combined arms doctrine, that we partially adopted and learned from as well.

Although by the 80s there would be few if any left who had fought for the Wehrmacht.

IIRC in the 1950s they approached Gotthard Heinrici to become Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, but he turned it down because he wanted to more directly mold it into a force like the old Reichswehr and Wehrmacht.

Adolf Heusinger and Hans Speidel helped organize the Bundeswehr. The latter was an open Fascist but disagreed with Nazi racialism.

[Novus America]

I can't wait to talk to you in... an infinite number of eternities from now.

I do have respect for Christianity and for Christians, but I'm still devotedly Jewish. Someone has to be in this day and age.

It's something I can't understand, to be honest. I can't see why a Jewish conservative wouldn't prefer to live in Israel rather than in a country which religion is antithetical to theirs. Especially since the Law of Return guarantees citizenship.

The US does not have any one religion though. So that is not an issue here.

[Old Tyrannia]

One thing that occasionally strikes me about this thread is how frustratingly middle-class everyone seems to be.

[Hanafuridake]

One thing that occasionally strikes me about this thread is how frustratingly middle-class everyone seems to be.

I never realized I made that impression.

[Novus America]

One thing that occasionally strikes me about this thread is how frustratingly middle-class everyone seems to be.

I mean of course though. I doubt a a site and discussions such as this have much appeal outside the middle class, which has been the most politically and intellectually inclined, at least for the last century or so.

[Totally Not OEP]

IIRC in the 1950s they approached Gotthard Heinrici to become Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, but he turned it down because he wanted to more directly mold it into a force like the old Reichswehr and Wehrmacht.

Adolf Heusinger and Hans Speidel helped organize the Bundeswehr. The latter was an open Fascist but disagreed with Nazi racialism.

Same with Heinrici, but the difference was they were offering him the top spot which offered a direct chance to mold the coming West German forces; one thing, and admittedly this is only cosmetic, is that he wanted to keep Gott Mit Uns as official in the new force.