Hong Kong

[Herador]

Got sources on those?

Neat, but I didn't ask for pictures without context, I asked for sources.

[Nova Cyberia]

Got sources on those?

Empty lip service? The lip service comes from the side that keeps saying the rule of law is awesome and yet refuses to condom the mass lawlessness and violence of the Hong Kong Riots and the destruction they've wrought on their own city.

Do you actually have proof that most of the protestors are committing violence?

[North Saitama]

All you are doing is paying empty lip service to law and order. When the law becomes unjust, any pretext of justice is dropped, and it just becomes a tool of tyranny.

I have said this multiple times, too.

Empty lip service? The lip service comes from the side that keeps saying the rule of law is awesome and yet refuses to condom the mass lawlessness and violence of the Hong Kong Riots and the destruction they've wrought on their own city.

You apparently were paying more attention to propaganda than what I said about the rule of law.

The rule of law is NOT a justification for tyranny. Laws exist not only to protect citizens from other citizens, but from the government, too. When the government tries to institute laws that, rather than being protective, give the government license to violate the rights of citizens, then the law ceases to be just, and the rule of law is no more.

Allow me to quote the US Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The entire Declaration, in fact, explains a lot.

[Purgatio]

How many times do I have to repeat my answer?

No.

No.

No.

No.

Why wouldn't you?

Because the Malaysian and Indonesian governments have proven themselves ineffectual at providing for the wealth, prosperity and low-crime or safety or high standard of living of their people, running dysfuctional countries that won't bring utility and safety to me and my family.

Whereas Hong Kong has enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the world and a low crime rate. Unlike Malaysia and Indonesia, Carrie Lam and the Hong Kong government are not ineffectual at governing.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Peaceful protesters occupied that square and demanded basic freedoms. Hardy people who deserved to be shot at. How's that boot taste?

Criminals trespassed onto a public square where the government engages in public business, attempting to grind their whole country to a halt by disrupting governmental operations and holding their nation and people hostage, refusing to disperse and end their blackmail when requested.

They were given numerous opportunities to cease their illegality and lawlessness and kept on disrupting the country's business. Action needed to be taken to restore Law and Order to a tumultous and unstable China. After 1989, none of that lawlessness ever returned to menace Tiananmen or the city of Beijing ever again. If the same thing happens in Hong Kong, the Hong Kong Rioters will finally cease their onslaught of brutality.

Property destruction is hardly brutality, but what you are justifying is. People should have the right to inconvenience a corrupt government. That is what a protest is for. Shooting at them is brutality, especially when they are not shooting back/didn't start it.

Oh so you admit breaking the law is justified. Like when against an oppressive regime imposed on you by force?

The people of Hong Kong are not oppressed. Hong Kong is one of the most prosperous cities in the world, its people enjoy a high standard of living and they are wrecking their own city's economy, the Hang Seng in freefall, occupying their own airport and grinding tourism to a halt. These hoodlums are destroying the prosperity of their fellow citizens.

Economic prosperity does not equal freedom. Hong Kong has more freedoms (like being able to criticize the government) than the rest of China, and the PRC is trying to take that away.

[Bombadil]

Except I've never advocated blind obedience to authority regardless of the circumstances. I just haven't seen any coherent justifications for the mass violence of the Hong Kong Rioters.

Got sources on those?

E: Other than property damage, I want hospitalizations.

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

[The South Falls]

Effectuality of government in a democracy is measured by the success of all people, not just the ultra-affluent.

[Novus America]

Why wouldn't you?

Because the Malaysian and Indonesian governments have proven themselves ineffectual at providing for the wealth, prosperity and low-crime or safety or high standard of living of their people, running dysfuctional countries that won't bring utility and safety to me and my family.

Whereas Hong Kong has enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the world and a low crime rate. Unlike Malaysia and Indonesia, Carrie Lam and the Hong Kong government are not ineffectual at governing.

So much prosperity eh?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.c ... ive-people

[New haven america]

Why wouldn't you?

1. Because the Malaysian and Indonesian governments have proven themselves ineffectual at providing for the wealth, prosperity and low-crime or safety or high standard of living of their people, running dysfuctional countries that won't bring utility and safety to me and my family.

2. Whereas Hong Kong has enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the world and a low crime rate. Unlike Malaysia and Indonesia, Carrie Lam and the Hong Kong government are not ineffectual at governing.

1. But they're the one's in charge and running the place, and in order to keep peace and order, you need to obey what they say.
2. Only because for the majority of their history as a political entity, they weren't part of China and operated completely separately to China. Seriously, in the mid-1900's when they weren't part of China, their economy alone was ~1/3-1/2 that of China's total economy.

Again, why would you not kneel?

[Herador]

Got sources on those?

E: Other than property damage, I want hospitalizations.

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

I'm sure I'll be getting sources of all those incidents of violence eventually.

[The South Falls]

Got sources on those?

E: Other than property damage, I want hospitalizations.

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

The Gangs are in cabal with the police.

[Herador]

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

The Gangs are in cabal with the police.

Sounds like the plot to Sleeping Dogs

[Purgatio]

Got sources on those?

E: Other than property damage, I want hospitalizations.

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

Lawless criminals justifying their lawless criminality because other lawless criminals attacked them. They got what they deserved. Act like a criminal, get attacked like a criminal. You reap what you sow.

[New haven america]

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

Lawless criminals justifying their lawless criminality because other lawless criminals attacked them. They got what they deserved. Act like a criminal, get attacked like a criminal. You reap what you sow.

Then why wouldn't you kneel to Malaysia or Indonesia?

[Purgatio]

Neat, but I didn't ask for pictures without context, I asked for sources.

Actual pictures of the Hong Kong Rioters being mindless destructive criminals isn’t enough for you?

[Tuthina]

The Gangs are in cabal with the police.

Sounds like the plot to Sleeping Dogs

It's a pretty common trope for works (especially films, which Hong Kong was once known for) involving Hong Kong, especially if centred around police action. Police corruption was/is pretty rampant in Hong Kong, especially before the establishment of Independent Commission Against Corruption in 1974, and many members of police force was/is affiliated with triads and gangs. Depending on who you ask, the ties between police and criminal organisations are either to maintain some semblance of order as the police cannot eliminate organised crimes entirely, or that they are in cahoots where police turn a blind eye to less publicised triad doings in exchange for benefits.

[Herador]

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

Lawless criminals justifying their lawless criminality because other lawless criminals attacked them. They got what they deserved. Act like a criminal, get attacked like a criminal. You reap what you sow.

I looked everywhere in this post for a link but found none, are you still compiling sources for me? Cause I appreciate the amount of effort you're putting into this.

Actual pictures of the Hong Kong Rioters being mindless destructive criminals isn’t enough for you?

Do you need help finding them? I can help with Googling if you need it.

[Heloin]

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

Lawless criminals justifying their lawless criminality because other lawless criminals attacked them. They got what they deserved. Act like a criminal, get attacked like a criminal. You reap what you sow.

Don't riot and triads will attack you for it? What did you sow to have that be the crop?

[New haven america]

Neat, but I didn't ask for pictures without context, I asked for sources.

Actual pictures of the Hong Kong Rioters being mindless destructive criminals isn’t enough for you?

Nope, because as stated before, most are Chinese propaganda.

[Purgatio]

Lawless criminals justifying their lawless criminality because other lawless criminals attacked them. They got what they deserved. Act like a criminal, get attacked like a criminal. You reap what you sow.

Then why wouldn't you kneel to Malaysia or Indonesia?

As I've already explained, the governmnets of Malaysia and Indonesia are incompetent governments that run two dysfunctional shitholes with high crime and generally not very prosperous societies and low GDP per capita, whereas the governments of Singapore and Hong Kong have allowed for the creation of safe, low-crime and high average income societies. In a successful society, criminals are a threat to a thriving and prosperous nation and hence must be opposed by any means necessary, but if you're run by dysfunctional and incompetent idiots (like Malaysia and Indonesia) who can't provide safety and prosperity then I don't hold the same view. That's why its different.

[Herador]

Then why wouldn't you kneel to Malaysia or Indonesia?

Did you mean to put the links to those sources in here? You must have hit "submit" early.

[Heloin]

Neat, but I didn't ask for pictures without context, I asked for sources.

Actual pictures of the Hong Kong Rioters being mindless destructive criminals isn’t enough for you?

You telling us that's what the pictures are doesn't actually mean anything. That could just be a hockey riot in Toronto for how much proof they actually bring up.

[Herador]

Actual pictures of the Hong Kong Rioters being mindless destructive criminals isn’t enough for you?

You telling us that's what the pictures are doesn't actually mean anything. That could just be a hockey riot in Toronto for how much proof they actually bring up.

Don't bully Leaf's fans man, they have it hard enough as it is.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Sure, here's a bunch of people beating innocent passengers with sticks and other items.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV_zbtxJxqo

Oh wait, that's the triads who were allowed to do this while the police casually walked away.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_uq1hAi_8

No innocent people have been harmed by the protestors..

Lawless criminals justifying their lawless criminality because other lawless criminals attacked them. They got what they deserved. Act like a criminal, get attacked like a criminal. You reap what you sow.

Seems to me like you do support criminality if it is someone you support doing it.

[United Columbia Republic]

I bet they're gonna sell the taiwanese out some day just like they did to the people of Hong Kong and Macao

Until the US doesn't give a shit about the ROC, Beijing can't touch Taiwan without risking everything.

The U.S. is an Independent country from the United Kingdom, The U.S. would rather secure itself for a planned attack than give a damn about a communist f*cked up country with a no-presidential-term limits.