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by Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:27 pm
by Salus Maior » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:47 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
What the article says it is. A priest.
As far as I can tell, none of the temple's heads have referred to the robot as a priest, although some Japanese news sources refer to the robot as a Buddhist priest (僧侶) probably colloquially, since it's situated in the temple, shaped like a Buddhist goddess, and preaches Buddhist sutras. Imagine being so triggered that some news sources choose to use a word that you insult a whole country, lol.
by The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:31 pm
by Hanafuridake » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:46 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Oh, I can insult a whole country without an article as well.
Salus Maior wrote:And you've been pretty triggered yourself, frankly.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:36 am
by Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:40 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Kowani wrote:Ends justify the means.
It's not a very good sentiment, because if that statement means anything at all, it means to excuse bad actions as long as they work towards a good goal. The problem is, goals are a dream, and actions are what matter. Therefore good actions are far more important than good goals. Because most of the time, the good goal never comes to fruition, and you're only left with the bad actions. Better to play it safe, and build your morality on the rock of actions than the sand of consequences. Because often you don't know what the consequences will be.
by Hanafuridake » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:46 am
Cappuccina wrote:I don't understand why you're so ruffled up about it. It's an interesting experiment, imo. You never know, an AI may even surprise us with useful spiritual insights.
Cappuccina wrote:I've never agreed with vitalism, it places too much emphasis on the material being. Man creates life all the time, we procreate, a sentient artificial entity would be little different from a metaphysical standpoint than a child. It would be endowed with a soul, immaterial and belonging to God (swt) nonetheless.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:49 am
Kowani wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's not a very good sentiment, because if that statement means anything at all, it means to excuse bad actions as long as they work towards a good goal. The problem is, goals are a dream, and actions are what matter. Therefore good actions are far more important than good goals. Because most of the time, the good goal never comes to fruition, and you're only left with the bad actions. Better to play it safe, and build your morality on the rock of actions than the sand of consequences. Because often you don't know what the consequences will be.
I did say to utilize more nuance. But. How can one analyze an action without looking at its consequences? A goal is a dream, but dreams can and have been attained. Bad actions are not bad in and of themselves, they are bad if they fail to attain the end goal. Thus, one must analyze and attempt to predict the most likely outcomes of any action in pursuit of their goal.
by Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:52 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Kowani wrote:I did say to utilize more nuance. But. How can one analyze an action without looking at its consequences? A goal is a dream, but dreams can and have been attained. Bad actions are not bad in and of themselves, they are bad if they fail to attain the end goal. Thus, one must analyze and attempt to predict the most likely outcomes of any action in pursuit of their goal.
No, some bad actions are inherently bad. Murder for example extinguishes a life. That's not a consequence, that's inherent.
by Hanafuridake » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:57 am
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:03 am
by Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:06 am
by Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:07 am
by Old Tyrannia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:11 am
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Well, I guess I'm a scorning Westerner.
If you want to personify Google and call that "wisdom", fine. But a computer can't really relate to a human being, it can repeat teachings about "desire" and so forth but it's only repeating what you could probably find in a quick search on Buddhist teaching. It can't truly relate to the human experience.
It's a gimmick. Like most things in modern Japan.
The main problem with this is that the machine in question (as far as we're aware) lacks sapience; it can't even perform a half-decent emulation and/or imitation of sapience. However, I suspect that in a few decades, things will be somewhat... different in that regard. The rise of sapient machine intelligences, I mean.
Actually, I've been meaning to ask the NSers who believe in the notion of a "soul" (for lack of a more precise term) whether non-human (sapient) beings would have one. I know that views on the nature of the soul are varied, ranging from "everyone but me is a P-zombie (solipsism/quasi-solipsism)" to "inanimate objects have souls (panpsychism, IIRC)". What do y'all think, though?
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:22 am
by Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:28 am
by Fahran » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:28 am
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I may, sometimes I suspect that you're actually a Hobbit. It's a silly notion, I know, but it seems that your ideal regime would basically be the Shire.
Kowani wrote:Less bloody than mine, sure. But no more tenable. Sorry. You’re like, one of the nicer people on here, but it’s still untenable.
by Nea Byzantia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:51 am
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:54 am
by Novus America » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:08 am
Fahran wrote:The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I may, sometimes I suspect that you're actually a Hobbit. It's a silly notion, I know, but it seems that your ideal regime would basically be the Shire.
While I may be little, I categorically deny having hairy feet. The Shire did represent Tolkien's ideal to some extent though, namely the rustic English countryside and the mode of life that prevailed there. It's one of the earliest and most visceral evocations of the Good he gives us in his work.Kowani wrote:Less bloody than mine, sure. But no more tenable. Sorry. You’re like, one of the nicer people on here, but it’s still untenable.
Some of what I advocate is at present the norm in some rural communities, though distributism is a bit trickier to implement in a way that won't damage the economy. And it's not as though my views are wholly without nuance. I'm well aware that we need cities to maintain our present economic apparatus. I just have something of a personal dislike for the frenetic pace of life and the coldness of cities.
Oh, and thank you.
by Nea Byzantia » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:13 am
by Greater Loegria » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:22 am
by Kowani » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:26 am
Greater Loegria wrote:I too subscribe to Shire-ism and Tolkein’s rural aesthetic. I wish Britain could just be a collection of villages of thatched cottages and stone chapels where most people either farm or run small artisan shops. Where everyone goes to church on Sunday and play cricket on Saturday afternoons in the summer or rugby in the winter.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:27 am
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