Best Fighter Jet

[The New California Republic]

Not necessarily. The large yagi array of the P-18 can be completely disassembled and stowed in a nondescript truck in around half an hour or less. And there are newer systems like the Vostok D/E that can deploy and fold away even faster than that despite their large size. It is less about the size of the radar and more about how it is implemented.


Emissions control is standard in any self-respecting SAM unit nowadays, so it's a misnomer to call it the "yugo tactic".

The thing is there is no silver bullet. Something both stealth advocates and critics often forget.
Stealth does not make you invisible, just harder to find, and while their are ways to detect stealth aircraft they are no easy guarantee of victory.

Sure. I know very well that stealth is undermined by a variety of techniques, but that said techniques are no panacea because of the generally poor range and azimuth accuracy of the types of wavelengths that are needed to defeat most stealth features, and that some aircraft are so large that they do not fit into the Rayleigh scattering region in the first place, such as the B-2.

[Novus America]

True, but you have to be very careful with such systems. While obviously extremely useful, you risk missing a real target if you discriminate too much. It is a tricky line to walk.

I saw that happen in the Navy, we set the MTI and related settings to high, and completely missed a helicopter flying slowly.

In the SA-8 for example the speed in its MTI was set quite low because of the kinds of threats that it was designed to deal with. But its MTI function was purely a secondary mode in the system, intended only for use when the ground clutter was practically whiting out the scope. The SA-8's performance against hovering helicopters and other nap of the earth targets was abysmal because the resolution of its radar was appalling in such situations where the MTI couldn't be used.

And depending on the speed the MTI is set to, you can pick up cars on the Autobahn, as the AWACS found out in Germany. Hence they needed to start setting the MTI to around 200mph, meaning that most slow flying aircraft and helicopters would be missed...

Exactly. I think we set a radar MTI to I think 100 Kts, and missed a helicopter going 90. That the radar could easily detect but for that. I am not sure the details, I was not operating the radar at the time, but same type of thing.

One of the best anti-ship techniques is to simultaneously lob Harpoon and SM-2s at the enemy ship. They focus on the high altitude, high speed SM-2 and miss the harpoon as a result.

[Loben The 2nd]

that and the DVD player in the cockpit.

Apparently some views showed it literally had a Garmin general aviation avionics screen, the kind you buy for a Cessna.

Russia oddly enough also used that for a time for their SU-25s....

[Novus America]

Apparently some views showed it literally had a Garmin general aviation avionics screen, the kind you buy for a Cessna.

Russia oddly enough also used that for a time for their SU-25s....

The Su-25 of course was not much more technologically advanced than a Cessna, though it did not need to be.

Also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-2_Skymaster

And
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog

But while it may perfectly well work on a 50s vintage civilian aircraft, or even a simple early 80s ground attack plane in a pinch, it is less than ideal for a modern fighter of course...

[Grater Tovakia]

F-14 hands down.

a nation of culture I see

[Brulafi]

This thread can be summarized by the image of two nerds comparing fighter jet stats and some absolutely obnoxious chad skateboards over while playing "Danger Zone" through a boombox and knocks them both aside.

[Fartsniffage]

This thread can be summarized by the image of two nerds comparing fighter jet stats and some absolutely obnoxious chad skateboards over while playing "Danger Zone" through a boombox and knocks them both aside.

It really can't. There are some people in this thread who really know what they're talking about. I'm guessing you're not one of them.

[Herador]

This thread can be summarized by the image of two nerds comparing fighter jet stats and some absolutely obnoxious chad skateboards over while playing "Danger Zone" through a boombox and knocks them both aside.

It really can't. There are some people in this thread who really know what they're talking about. I'm guessing you're not one of them.

I'm amazed they posted that after a fairly indepth discussion about radar profiles, with on participant apparently having even worked on the in the military

Keep on memeing though Nancy No-Post, it's funny, just not in the way you were hoping

[The New California Republic]

This thread can be summarized by the image of two nerds comparing fighter jet stats and some absolutely obnoxious chad skateboards over while playing "Danger Zone" through a boombox and knocks them both aside.

Yeah you could summarise it as that, only if you willingly ignore much of the content of the last few pages...

[Herador]

This thread can be summarized by the image of two nerds comparing fighter jet stats and some absolutely obnoxious chad skateboards over while playing "Danger Zone" through a boombox and knocks them both aside.

Yeah you could summarise it as that, only if you willingly ignore much of the content of the last few pages...

You have to look at something to ignore it, and I get the feeling even that effort wasn't involved.

[The New California Republic]

Yeah you could summarise it as that, only if you willingly ignore much of the content of the last few pages...

You have to look at something to ignore it, and I get the feeling even that effort wasn't involved.

Or that.

[Philjia]

The one that will allow the air force equipped with it to win. The face of modern warfare favours highly advanced multirole aircraft, but the start of an actual war between superpowers might see a switch back to cheaper, simpler planes if the attrition rate ramps up.

Lightning Air Superiority Fighters.

Oh I don't know, it's pretty and fast, but it's no substitute for the Thunderbolt.

[Arlenton]

F-86

[Kowani]

Obviously, the best answer is the Fire Raptor.

[Kubra]

Russia oddly enough also used that for a time for their SU-25s....

The Su-25 of course was not much more technologically advanced than a Cessna, though it did not need to be.

Also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-2_Skymaster

And
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog

But while it may perfectly well work on a 50s vintage civilian aircraft, or even a simple early 80s ground attack plane in a pinch, it is less than ideal for a modern fighter of course...

For a fighter being billed as next gen stealth aircraft? no doubt, man. But let's not knock a perfectly workable system, most fighter's don't necessarily need to be high tech when low tech is cheaper to go against lower tech.
I mean you have a few god damn mustangs in storage and you can already get a leg up on most would-be insurgents.

[The New California Republic]

The Su-25 of course was not much more technologically advanced than a Cessna, though it did not need to be.

Also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-2_Skymaster

And
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_O-1_Bird_Dog

But while it may perfectly well work on a 50s vintage civilian aircraft, or even a simple early 80s ground attack plane in a pinch, it is less than ideal for a modern fighter of course...

For a fighter being billed as next gen stealth aircraft? no doubt, man. But let's not knock a perfectly workable system, most fighter's don't necessarily need to be high tech when low tech is cheaper to go against lower tech.
I mean you have a few god damn mustangs in storage and you can already get a leg up on most would-be insurgents.

Many South American nations used very low tech aircraft for counterinsurgency work, as such aircraft didn't need to have all the usual bells and whistles because of their function; and simpler aircraft are easier to maintain and operate at distant airstrips that have very few facilities.

[Philjia]

Obviously, the best answer is the Fire Raptor.

That's a ground attack aircraft, not a fighter. (The Stormhawk and Xiphon Interceptors are the Spehss Marines' fighter aircraft, except for the Dark Angels who use the Nephilim Jetfighter)

[Kaztropol]

The one that will allow the air force equipped with it to win. The face of modern warfare favours highly advanced multirole aircraft, but the start of an actual war between superpowers might see a switch back to cheaper, simpler planes if the attrition rate ramps up.

This was the theory behind a couple of superlightweight fighters in the 1960s or thereabouts. The Folland Gnat for example. Its designer was of the opinion then that modern fighter designs simply could not be practicably mass-produced in a major conflict.

A confrontation between superpowers might not last long enough for fighter aircraft to be all that relevant. After the first few days, with major losses, the supply of new aircrew might be the limiting factor, rather than the cost of the airframes.

Iirc, during the Cold War, a tactical strike squadron in say the RAF, would have 12 aircraft, and an allocation of 8 tactical nuclear bombs for those aircraft (which could carry 2 of those bombs). The theory being that by the time tactical nuclear strikes would be authorised, attrition would mean there would be 8 or less aircraft per squadron available to perform such a mission. So why waste effort on making and maintaining bombs that couldn't be delivered ?

[Kremlinian Russia]

MiG-15, not because I care about if it's the best (which it very much isn't compared to modern fighters lmao), but I just like the aesthetic of 1st gen fighters, and it's pretty well known as part of the MiG Alley in the Korean War.

Also probably one of the most produced fighter jets in history, with around 13,000 manufactured in the USSR, and thousands more in foreign license production. One of, if not my favourite fighter jet of all time because of how it looks and how important it was to Soviet aviation and the Korean War.

[Ifreann]

Thirsty jet boi best jet.

[The New California Republic]

MiG-15, not because I care about if it's the best (which it very much isn't compared to modern fighters lmao), but I just like the aesthetic of 1st gen fighters, and it's pretty well known as part of the MiG Alley in the Korean War.

Also probably one of the most produced fighter jets in history, with around 13,000 manufactured in the USSR, and thousands more in foreign license production. One of, if not my favourite fighter jet of all time because of how it looks and how important it was to Soviet aviation and the Korean War.

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Tbh the MiG-15 is my least favourite of the MiGs.

[The New California Republic]

Thirsty jet boi best jet.

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[Fartsniffage]

Thirsty jet boi best jet.

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If that had been a Mig-25, it could have used its radar to boil the water so everyone could have a cup of tea.

[Kowani]

Obviously, the best answer is the Fire Raptor.

That's a ground attack aircraft, not a fighter. (The Stormhawk and Xiphon Interceptors are the Spehss Marines' fighter aircraft, except for the Dark Angels who use the Nephilim Jetfighter)

It’s literally just a Stormhawk with more Dakka.

[The New California Republic]

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If that had been a Mig-25, it could have used its radar to boil the water so everyone could have a cup of tea.

At least the Prowler has the courtesy of a warning.