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by Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:01 pm
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:01 pm
by Loben The 2nd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:02 pm
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:03 pm
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:06 pm
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:07 pm
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:10 pm
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:14 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Crysuko wrote:Much to the chagrin of ancaps they tend to be on preserved and government owned land
Exactly! The government never wants to help people who don't have evil lairs.
And it's not even just enough to have a cave. You need one that's connected to a volcano or has a waterfall covering the entrance. Otherwise the other evil rightists will mock you for having a shitty lair.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:26 pm
Duvniask wrote:The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.
Duvniask wrote:You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:30 pm
Crysuko wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Exactly! The government never wants to help people who don't have evil lairs.
And it's not even just enough to have a cave. You need one that's connected to a volcano or has a waterfall covering the entrance. Otherwise the other evil rightists will mock you for having a shitty lair.
If you find a suitable place I can loan you some of the leftist bred high horses to help you move in
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:30 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Duvniask wrote:The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.
The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.Duvniask wrote:You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.
Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.
So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?
by Vassenor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:33 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Duvniask wrote:The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.
The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.Duvniask wrote:You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.
Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.
So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:39 pm
Vassenor wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.
Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.
So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?
Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:41 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.
Causality is murky, and PC culture stacks the deck against clear-cut proof. But you'd have to be willfully ignorant not to notice the timing.
by Vassenor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:43 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.
Causality is murky, and PC culture stacks the deck against clear-cut proof. But you'd have to be willfully ignorant not to notice the timing.
by Duvniask » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:00 pm
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Duvniask wrote:The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.
The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.
Duvniask wrote:You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.
Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.
So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?
by Attempted Socialism » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:10 pm
Your claim was that Denmark was the 2nd most peaceful country on Earth before Muslims immigrated en masse. Since Muslims haven't immigrated here en masse yet, your claim is bogus. If you wanted to show a correlation between immigration and violence, go back to the 80'ies and 90'ies.LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.
When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis
Well, since 2001 we've gradually cut support to the UN (Item 21), raised military budget and participation in wars (Items 17, 18, 19, 20), increased incarceration for dumb stuff (Item 15) and right-wing terror has increased, also against demonstrations (Items 10, 13, 14).
We also often shift 2-5 spots on the Corruption Perception Index and World Happiness Index. Why? Because the margins between those ranks are so small, the slightest breeze will shift you some spots. By your "logic", immigration causes other countries to become more corrupt, so Denmark can get to the top spot in the ranking. Your argument is shit, formed out of baseless islamophobia.LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Duvniask wrote:The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.
The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.
Well, first that the event you claimed as a cause was immigration en masse, so you should maybe start there, since it didn't happen in 2015. Next, you should show that this was actually correlated with a drop in peacefulness (Rather than a minor shift in rankings). Third, you could try and connect the two, as was done with both the discoveries you mention. An actual mechanism was proposed and investigated, rather than just looking at correlations.Duvniask wrote:You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.
Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.
So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?
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by Gravlen » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:44 pm
According to the Gallup World Poll (GWP), the past decade has seen increasing satisfaction regarding freedom in life, treatment with respect and satisfaction with standards of living. These factors were measured using the following questions:
• Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your standard of living, all the things you can buy and do?
• In (this country), are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your freedom to choose what you do with your life?
Spain, Belgium, Ireland, France and Denmark were the only European countries to deteriorate in freedom in life satisfaction. These five countries had concurrent falls in standard of living satisfaction, with the largest decline in Ireland, at eight percentage points.
Although the risk of conflict remains low, tensions between Russia and the Nordic countries increased further in 2016, leading to the scores for relations with neighbouring countries of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden also deteriorating, substantially impacting their scores.
Almost every Nordic country deteriorated owing to a worsening of relations with Russia, with Finland, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway all moving from a score of one to two. A score of two indicates that relations with neighbouring countries are generally good, but that some aggressiveness is manifest in political speeches.
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:19 pm
Gravlen wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.
Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.
The report itself offers a clue:According to the Gallup World Poll (GWP), the past decade has seen increasing satisfaction regarding freedom in life, treatment with respect and satisfaction with standards of living. These factors were measured using the following questions:
• Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your standard of living, all the things you can buy and do?
• In (this country), are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your freedom to choose what you do with your life?Spain, Belgium, Ireland, France and Denmark were the only European countries to deteriorate in freedom in life satisfaction. These five countries had concurrent falls in standard of living satisfaction, with the largest decline in Ireland, at eight percentage points.
That's one of the reasons for the slip from 4th to 5th place, which was due to a decline of 0.003 points. It should also be noted that Denmark was in 4th place back in 2011 as well, and that Portugal is one of the reasons for the slip as they've risen from 17th place in 2013 to 3rd place now.
Anyway, you were trying to claim causation, yet you never looked at the report for the year that Denmark fell from 2nd place to 4th place. If you had, you'd find these quotes:Although the risk of conflict remains low, tensions between Russia and the Nordic countries increased further in 2016, leading to the scores for relations with neighbouring countries of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden also deteriorating, substantially impacting their scores.Almost every Nordic country deteriorated owing to a worsening of relations with Russia, with Finland, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway all moving from a score of one to two. A score of two indicates that relations with neighbouring countries are generally good, but that some aggressiveness is manifest in political speeches.
Oh, look at that. A reason was actually given.
Sure, there's other factors taken into the equation as well, but you know what the report doesn't say? That islamic immigration had a negative effect on the ratings.
by Thermodolia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:30 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Is it Islamists yet?
by Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:34 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Nova Cyberia wrote:Is it Islamists yet?
Hardly. The bombings don’t fit Islamists MO. They tend to have a high body counts, while anarchists tend to attack government buildings and have none or low body count.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a group like the IRA who announced that they where about to blow something up.
by Thermodolia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:39 pm
Crysuko wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Hardly. The bombings don’t fit Islamists MO. They tend to have a high body counts, while anarchists tend to attack government buildings and have none or low body count.
It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a group like the IRA who announced that they where about to blow something up.
But Therm, there's a weak correlation and a political narrative that's says otherwise
by Kowani » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:42 pm
by Kaystein » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:46 pm
by Attempted Socialism » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:27 pm
While not impossible, the taxes angle seems improbable: There are political avenues for expressing that within the current political system without any issue, and Danish taxes are extremely low compared to their equivalents in e.g. USA. I can't see which group would have tried to attack the Danish tax agency because it in itself made sense as a political target. If it's the tax agency as such, I'd look more towards biker- and drugrelated gangs (Because, like Al Capone, they often get caught up in tax collection and convicted for their crimes that way around).Kaystein wrote:Given their choice of targets, my guess is that it's someone who dislikes the current Nordic model of government in Denmark. Particularly the high taxes. The police station attack it just typical for any rebel activity.
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