Mass Shooting in Dayton OH, 10+ Dead, Now With Drag Queens

[Galloism]

They call the Antifa connection a conspiracy theory - not that the shooter was very left wing.

He retweeted an Antifa account once, and that's the sole connection to Antifa. That doesn't change the fact that they admit he was left wing.

They say so twice in the article:





And even cited Buzzfeed, which used the term "progressive" instead of "leftist"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... grind-band





He was definitely a leftist, but there's no evidence to speak of that he's part of Antifa. That's the part that's misinformation.

Nothing you quoted backs up your lines. Even your second rolling stone quote doesn’t confirm the first. Hell, your buzzfeed quote implies he didn’t practice what he preached and implies he was more right than left.

Nice try though. You gave more ammo to this being a false flag attack.

TIL that explicitly stating "The Dayton shooter undoubtedly harbored left-leaning rather than extremist right-wing views" doesn't mean he's left wing.

How about CNN?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/conno ... index.html

Dayton shooter appeared to have leftist Twitter feed

A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.

The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, "Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die." He also retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

The user's Twitter bio reads: "he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I'm going to hell and I'm not coming back." One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.

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The account also retweeted posts against ICE agents, including one that said, "these people are monsters," and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics. There were also many tweets of selfies, photos with a friend and ordinary memes and nonpolitical content.

Sounds like a hardcore right winger. You know how them right wing trump supporters hate ICE and call them monsters, and immediately support Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

Those crazy right wing extremists. You can't predict them at all.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I’ll say this about the shootings at the El Paso Walmart and Ohio; if you have the ear of a large group of people, be you a private person, politician or a religious leader, remember this: Be careful with the rhetoric you espouse, as it can provoke unstable people who listen to you to commit atrocities. You endanger your own people too. Mexicans weren’t the only victims of the El Paso shooting. US citizens died too.

You are responsible for your words. We all are. You didn’t kill anyone yourself, but you fanned the flames of hate that resulted in such deaths. Let this rest solely on your conscience because you are indeed guilty of stirring the pot.

[Telconi]

They call the Antifa connection a conspiracy theory - not that the shooter was very left wing.

He retweeted an Antifa account once, and that's the sole connection to Antifa. That doesn't change the fact that they admit he was left wing.

They say so twice in the article:





And even cited Buzzfeed, which used the term "progressive" instead of "leftist"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... grind-band





He was definitely a leftist, but there's no evidence to speak of that he's part of Antifa. That's the part that's misinformation.

Nothing you quoted backs up your lines. Even your second rolling stone quote doesn’t confirm the first. Hell, your buzzfeed quote implies he didn’t practice what he preached and implies he was more right than left.

Nice try though. You gave more ammo to this being a false flag attack.

Which part of this implies he's "More right than Left"?

[Ostroeuropa]

175 people have been killed by far-right shootings in the past 8 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -worldwide

Rounding up that's 22 per year, worldwide.

But white supremacy is the biggest threat and white males are violent, because Idpol koolaid.

For perspective, there are 17 people raped by dolphins every year.

You're on a level of absurd where you're claiming a widespread conspiracy of dolphins trying to rape all of humanity.

It's not real. It's in your heads, because you believe in a nonsense ideology that hates whites and males, and it has convinced you this paranoia is reasonable.

The political affiliations of these shooters really don't matter.

Imagine GlaDOS mocking you in your ear while you watch wall to wall coverage of each and every Dolphin rape and take in and fully believe the same narrative being pushed about dolphins by media pundits.

Imagine the political discourse being dominated by the same fear and conspiracy theories about dolphins.

[Dumb Ideologies]

>tfw when you let random nutters have guns but half the conversation after the latest run of mass shootings is over what political party the shooters supported

yes orange man/antifa is the problem

[Ostroeuropa]

>tfw when you let random nutters have guns but half the conversation after the latest run of mass shootings is over what political party the shooters supported

yes orange man/antifa is the problem

Prescient Onion strikes again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eSPWaUsgY

[Mystic Warriors]

Nothing you quoted backs up your lines. Even your second rolling stone quote doesn’t confirm the first. Hell, your buzzfeed quote implies he didn’t practice what he preached and implies he was more right than left.

Nice try though. You gave more ammo to this being a false flag attack.

TIL that explicitly stating "The Dayton shooter undoubtedly harbored left-leaning rather than extremist right-wing views" doesn't mean he's left wing.

How about CNN?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/conno ... index.html

Dayton shooter appeared to have leftist Twitter feed

A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.

The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, "Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die." He also retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

The user's Twitter bio reads: "he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I'm going to hell and I'm not coming back." One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.

....


The account also retweeted posts against ICE agents, including one that said, "these people are monsters," and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics. There were also many tweets of selfies, photos with a friend and ordinary memes and nonpolitical content.

Sounds like a hardcore right winger. You know how them right wing trump supporters hate ICE and call them monsters, and immediately support Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

Those crazy right wing extremists. You can't predict them at all.

Let’s just ignore rolling stone contradicts you and CNN was far from confirming anything. They even said it might be owned by him, that and some of the content is not uniform left wing at all with even his buddies calling him a fraud. Let’s also pretend the right wasn’t caught red handed faking evidence in El Paso and go based on unproven circumstantial evidence.

Let’s just do that.

[Vassenor]

But that is bad for the "but both sides" and "antifa are all terrorists" narratives.

Meanwhile everyone is dancing to the "mental illness causes mass shootings" tune that the conservatives play to deflect from the idea that it's their rhetoric causing this.

Because just about every country has people dealing with mental illness, yet only America has mass shootings to this degree.

[Bombadil]

But that is bad for the "but both sides" and "antifa are all terrorists" narratives.

Meanwhile everyone is dancing to the "mental illness causes mass shootings" tune that the conservatives play to deflect from the idea that it's their rhetoric causing this.

Because just about every country has people dealing with mental illness, yet only America has mass shootings to this degree.

https://twitter.com/brittlestar/status/ ... 64864?s=12

[Aclion]

>tfw when you let random nutters have guns but half the conversation after the latest run of mass shootings is over what political party the shooters supported

yes orange man/antifa is the problem

The left has always only cared about mass shooting insofar as they could pin it on the right, with this one the mask is slipping because the guy is undeniably responding to their rhetoric, which according to the standards they've established that makes them responsible for the shooting.

[Vassenor]

>tfw when you let random nutters have guns but half the conversation after the latest run of mass shootings is over what political party the shooters supported

yes orange man/antifa is the problem

The left has always only cared about mass shooting insofar as they could pin it on the right, with this one the mask is slipping because the guy is undeniably responding to their rhetoric, which according to the standards they've established that makes them responsible for the shooting.

[citation needed]

Because it's not like we've covered that repeatedly and explained why it's bunk.

[Aclion]

The left has always only cared about mass shooting insofar as they could pin it on the right, with this one the mask is slipping because the guy is undeniably responding to their rhetoric, which according to the standards they've established that makes them responsible for the shooting.

[citation needed]

Because it's not like we've covered that repeatedly and explained why it's bunk.

You've claimed it's bunk. It's been explained that it's not, with citations to left-leaning sources.
Continuing to claim it's bunk is just denialism.

[Kubra]

I read somewhere that the cops already checked his place and found an interest in killing people, but nothing indicating motivation. He just night have been, you know, not all there.

He was not all there, yet he owned a gun?

AMERICA, F%%K YEAH!

I'm sure we all have particular quirks we'd like suppressed and obscured. His happened to be, um, killing.

[Loftegen 2]

I might possibly be offened, please lock to save my feelings.

[Cannot think of a name]

They call the Antifa connection a conspiracy theory - not that the shooter was very left wing.

He retweeted an Antifa account once, and that's the sole connection to Antifa. That doesn't change the fact that they admit he was left wing.

They say so twice in the article:





And even cited Buzzfeed, which used the term "progressive" instead of "leftist"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/el ... grind-band





He was definitely a leftist, but there's no evidence to speak of that he's part of Antifa. That's the part that's misinformation.

Nothing you quoted backs up your lines. Even your second rolling stone quote doesn’t confirm the first. Hell, your buzzfeed quote implies he didn’t practice what he preached and implies he was more right than left.

Nice try though. You gave more ammo to this being a false flag attack.

That's not really what a false flag is. A false flag would be that he was a right winger all along and intentionally presented as a left winger to associate his actions with the left wing. That doesn't seem evident. The 'false' part would be trying to either make up his left wing views, or the more likely scenario, that he espoused left wing views but as his bandmate pointed out ""For what it's worth men who cape hard line '''''left''''' politics who still treat women like shit are not exactly a new invention.". (copy and pasted, I think the extra scare quotes were from someone transcribing his statement).

It's perfectly believable (but even as more mainstream sources report on this, it's still based on screengrabs and twitter accounts) that he would parrot left wing talking points and perhaps even believed most of them. The difference is that the far more motivating factor in his behavior seems related to his kill/harm (or rape, depending on the source) list and his general dislike of other people in general separate from political ideology. There is no manifesto, no targeting of right wing targets, no general point he was making about the encroaching right wing. Run that in contrast to the right wing's favorite go to, the guy who shot up the baseball game specifically calling out an targeting Republican senators. Or the El Paso shooter who was concerned about a Democratic take over of Texas or immigration where he drove six and a half hours to drive to a city with a large Hispanic population.

The issue isn't what box he checked on a sheet or what he supported on twitter. If I acted out (not necessarily shot a bunch of people because...well, not even kind of my thing) and someone looks at my Instagram it would be a leap to decided I did it because I was really against modern throwback black license plates because modern cars have not earned them even though I've made several snarky posts about it. Unless I also released a manifesto or had a post right before it that said, "I'm finally going to do something about these monsters and their stupid throwback black plates on Toyota Corollas."

The thesis that 'we' are only concerned about right wingers shipping bombs to people, or shooting up a building in El Paso if they're 'right wing' because 'we' are equally upset when someone shoots up a place because he can't get laid or shoots up a country concert because he felt like it. There might be an extra level of concern when it's motivated by right wing ideology and in fact uses the Presidents rhetoric in their specific manifesto overtly stating the reason they're doing the shooting. And, maybe people don't remember this, but largely 'we' were against a dude shooting up a baseball game for left wing ideology.

But strictly speaking, the idea that this dude, among other aspects of his personality, also supported left wing ideology wouldn't be a wide ranging conspiracy or a clever long game he was playing to smear the left but just part of his beliefs. The evidence, such as we have it, points to his motivation being people done wronged him and were about to pay. On the flip side, indications that he did it because he sister was dating a black person was entirely based on someone else speculating on Twitter and didn't seem to have anything to do with his actual motivations.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter? Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting? I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

[Cannot think of a name]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter?

Yes.

Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting?

Also correct.

I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

Outside of a list he made in high school that got him in trouble about people he wanted to kill or harm, no. We don't know.

[Aclion]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter? Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting? I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

since when has a manifesto been required to call a duck a duck?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter? Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting? I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

since when has a manifesto been required to call a duck a duck?

Duck Party: The Only Solution For the American Mallardy.

Posted on a forum even more full of quacks than ours.

[Australian rePublic]

What was his motive anyway?

[Galloism]

TIL that explicitly stating "The Dayton shooter undoubtedly harbored left-leaning rather than extremist right-wing views" doesn't mean he's left wing.

How about CNN?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/conno ... index.html



Sounds like a hardcore right winger. You know how them right wing trump supporters hate ICE and call them monsters, and immediately support Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

Those crazy right wing extremists. You can't predict them at all.

Let’s just ignore rolling stone contradicts you and CNN was far from confirming anything. They even said it might be owned by him, that and some of the content is not uniform left wing at all with even his buddies calling him a fraud. Let’s also pretend the right wasn’t caught red handed faking evidence in El Paso and go based on unproven circumstantial evidence.

Let’s just do that.

Rolling stone explicitly backs me up. Buzzfeed says his compatriots back me up. CNN reports evidence backing me up.

Jeez, fucking read.

Hell, Snopes backs me up.

Though he had also tweeted (or retweeted) favorably about Bernie Sanders and progressive causes in general, Betts explicitly lent support to 2020 presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on at least one occasion. In response to a tweet suggesting Warren and fellow Democratic presidential hopeful Kamala Harris could be “co-presidents,” Betts tweeted that he would “happily vote for” Warren (but not Harris):

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Police have stated that they are “not close at all” to figuring out a motive for the shooting. The specific claim that Betts described himself on social media as a leftist, as pro-Satan, and as an Elizabeth Warren supporter, however, is true.

[Cannot think of a name]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter? Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting? I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

since when has a manifesto been required to call a duck a duck?

It's more that if the question is "Why did this duck attack these other birds" "because he's a duck" isn't really an insightful answer.

[Galloism]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter? Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting? I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

Not really no. We have no idea to his motivation.

We’re just pointing out he was left wing to those using the incident to call out right wing extremism - this particular incident appears to have nothing to do with right wing extremism at all.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So another white male.

A left wing white male who hated fascists and racists, yes.

[Republican Trump of The USA]

Are people arguing that this guy is a left wing equivalent to the El Paso shooter? Surely that would require him to have carried out the shooting for political reasons, rather than just being a left winger who carried out a mass shooting? I'm not aware of him having posted any kind of manifesto, are we even sure what his motivation was yet?

Not really no. We have no idea to his motivation.

We’re just pointing out he was left wing to those using the incident to call out right wing extremism - this particular incident appears to have nothing to do with right wing extremism at all.

I third this post as others have also.