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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Total votes : 1277

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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:53 pm

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The Two Jerseys wrote:Maybe we should listen to James From TFB and all make peace at the Church of 12 Gauge...


Lets remember who the real enemies are... God damned archers. :p


*hides bow*

W-What's wrong with a-archers?
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Postby The Chuck » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Lets remember who the real enemies are... God damned archers. :p


*hides bow*

W-What's wrong with a-archers?


They're the bow string equivalent of Fudds... :evil:

But... if they also happen to own a couple non-Fudd guns, they're fine... *Eyeballs Telconi very hard*

Also from earlier in the Gun Control thread. I was digging for this but have this Missouri gun control meme. Stolen from reddit a couple months back.

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Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Lets remember who the real enemies are... God damned archers. :p

That’s why Archery is an Olympic sport that actually gets respected. :p


Kowani, that was a cheeky comment you had. :rofl:
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:12 pm

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Kowani wrote:That’s why Archery is an Olympic sport that actually gets respected. :p

Yet biathlon actually gets televised... 8)

Even curling gets more air time. :p

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Kowani wrote:That’s why Archery is an Olympic sport that actually gets respected. :p


Kowani, that was a cheeky comment you had. :rofl:

I am pretty cheeky...
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Postby Telconi » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:16 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Telconi wrote:
*hides bow*

W-What's wrong with a-archers?


They're the bow string equivalent of Fudds... :evil:

But... if they also happen to own a couple non-Fudd guns, they're fine... *Eyeballs Telconi very hard*

Also from earlier in the Gun Control thread. I was digging for this but have this Missouri gun control meme. Stolen from reddit a couple months back.

Image


Side note,

Kowani wrote:That’s why Archery is an Olympic sport that actually gets respected. :p


Kowani, that was a cheeky comment you had. :rofl:


I mean, you're not wrong in the sense of bow hunters. But my archery is focused around target shooting and historical reenactment.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:55 pm

Wonder if Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought getting into a firearm stats tweet was a good idea and hopefully he bought some asbestos undies.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
It's pretty basic stats tweet, and boy o boy some of the posters are not having it, and imo, are proving his point about letting emotions lead instead of facts and data.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:55 pm

Diopolis wrote:In regular season, no, except that fully automatic fire in hunting is problematic.


I can't for the life of me understand why you'd need fully automatic firearms when hunting. Semi-automatic yes, because when you start firing at a herd of feral goats, you want to get out as many rounds as possible.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:57 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Wonder if Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought getting into a firearm stats tweet was a good idea and hopefully he bought some asbestos undies.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
It's pretty basic stats tweet, and boy o boy some of the posters are not having it, and imo, are proving his point about letting emotions lead instead of facts and data.

That is NOT the post I expected.
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Postby Fasma » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:03 pm

There is enough natural threats against humanity at it is for there to be man-made ones. Violence should only ever be used as a last resort and the instruments of such should be strongly restricted. We do not need more weapons in this world.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:06 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Wonder if Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought getting into a firearm stats tweet was a good idea and hopefully he bought some asbestos undies.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
It's pretty basic stats tweet, and boy o boy some of the posters are not having it, and imo, are proving his point about letting emotions lead instead of facts and data.


200 dead in 48 hours seems like a greater argument for better licencing of those operating motor vehicles.
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Postby Fasma » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:16 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Wonder if Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought getting into a firearm stats tweet was a good idea and hopefully he bought some asbestos undies.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
It's pretty basic stats tweet, and boy o boy some of the posters are not having it, and imo, are proving his point about letting emotions lead instead of facts and data.


200 dead in 48 hours seems like a greater argument for better licencing of those operating motor vehicles.


The level and intensity of gun violence in the United States is markedly unusual for a country of its wealth and development.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:18 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Wonder if Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought getting into a firearm stats tweet was a good idea and hopefully he bought some asbestos undies.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
It's pretty basic stats tweet, and boy o boy some of the posters are not having it, and imo, are proving his point about letting emotions lead instead of facts and data.


200 dead in 48 hours seems like a greater argument for better licensing of those operating motor vehicles.

Eh, won't change anything. To many variables, human error, rise in texting and driving, etc.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:23 pm

Fasma wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
200 dead in 48 hours seems like a greater argument for better licencing of those operating motor vehicles.


The level and intensity of gun violence in the United States is markedly unusual for a country of its wealth and development.

But also disproportionately small for the amount of guns in the US compared to other countries.
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Postby Fasma » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:27 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Fasma wrote:
The level and intensity of gun violence in the United States is markedly unusual for a country of its wealth and development.

But also disproportionately small for the amount of guns in the US compared to other countries.


It is true that the amount of guns is not the sole cause of its disproportionately high-rates of violence, but it certainly does not help with reducing it.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Wonder if Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson thought getting into a firearm stats tweet was a good idea and hopefully he bought some asbestos undies.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1158074774297468928
It's pretty basic stats tweet, and boy o boy some of the posters are not having it, and imo, are proving his point about letting emotions lead instead of facts and data.


200 dead in 48 hours seems like a greater argument for better licencing of those operating motor vehicles.

Compared to an average of something like one mass shooting death in a 48 hour period, yes.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:00 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Good lord the media is milking these last two incidences for all they're worth. There is nothing else going on in the nation?


There is plenty going on. That's what they are trying to distract us from.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:05 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Good lord the media is milking these last two incidences for all they're worth. There is nothing else going on in the nation?


There is plenty going on. That's what they are trying to distract us from.

Hardly.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:10 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Good lord the media is milking these last two incidences for all they're worth. There is nothing else going on in the nation?

Do expect them to ignore incidents of large amounts of people being killed or something?
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Postby Fasma » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:32 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Good lord the media is milking these last two incidences for all they're worth. There is nothing else going on in the nation?

Do expect them to ignore incidents of large amounts of people being killed or something?


I don't even live in the US and it's been a major talking-point for the media here. Mass shootings are treated extremely seriously where I live. And to see it happen in a developed nation like the US is especially worrisome.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 pm

Fasma wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Do expect them to ignore incidents of large amounts of people being killed or something?


I don't even live in the US and it's been a major talking-point for the media here. Mass shootings are treated extremely seriously where I live. And to see it happen in a developed nation like the US is especially worrisome.

I mean, I’m American and the amount of mass shootings going on is very worrisome. And this is coming from someone who is pro gun and likes guns.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:49 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
200 dead in 48 hours seems like a greater argument for better licensing of those operating motor vehicles.

Eh, won't change anything. To many variables, human error, rise in texting and driving, etc.

I remember us working on self-driving cars. I don’t remember us working on Terrorist-proof guns.
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Postby Fasma » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:53 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Fasma wrote:
I don't even live in the US and it's been a major talking-point for the media here. Mass shootings are treated extremely seriously where I live. And to see it happen in a developed nation like the US is especially worrisome.

I mean, I’m American and the amount of mass shootings going on is very worrisome. And this is coming from someone who is pro gun and likes guns.


That seems to be a running theme among Americans and you seem to be a very passionate about it, which I find kind of disturbing to be honest. I mean, someone on another thread even went as a far to call my opinions "worthless" on U.S-related event because I'm not American. Another described my views as "shitty" from a non-resident. I don't have the same view when it comes to foreigners in my country, I welcome their feedback and I think the success of my country has a lot to do with our acceptance of foreigners and looking beyond our borders for solutions. In fact, I don't think we look to foreigners enough for advice and have our own issues with xenophobic views. Some people here for instance want lower immigration and blame immigrants for many problems that we ourselves are to blame.

Violence and division in the US over guns seems to be a very, very hotly debated issue. I read an article about how sufferers of violence or those in fear may get a sense of hope and power when they own a gun. I feel sorry for Americans to be honest with you that some feel a need to own guns in order to have a sense of safety in your country. I get a sense that there's a lot of fear and anger over there. Here's the article I read if you're curious about it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ ... f8ff547d66

I wish there was something I could do to help regarding the recent tragedies in the US, I know a lot of people here are very saddened about the news in the USA. It's the top story on a lot of news sites here.

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Postby Licana » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:09 am

Fasma wrote:The level and intensity of gun violence in the United States is markedly unusual for a country of its wealth and development.

Not nearly as much as people like to pretend it is.

Fasma wrote:It is true that the amount of guns is not the sole cause of its disproportionately high-rates of violence, but it certainly does not help with reducing it.

Considering that gun ownership doesn't correlate with homicide rate at all, I doubt it has any effect.
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Licana wrote:
Fasma wrote:The level and intensity of gun violence in the United States is markedly unusual for a country of its wealth and development.

Not nearly as much as people like to pretend it is.

Fasma wrote:It is true that the amount of guns is not the sole cause of its disproportionately high-rates of violence, but it certainly does not help with reducing it.

Considering that gun ownership doesn't correlate with homicide rate at all, I doubt it has any effect.


"Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries... Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gu ... countries/

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Postby Licana » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:20 am

Fasma wrote:"Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries... Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gu ... countries/

0.1 is 10x higher than 0.01. Both are minuscule numbers. Do you have anything better than blind sensationalism?
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:24 am

Licana wrote:
Fasma wrote:"Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries... Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gu ... countries/

0.1 is 10x higher than 0.01. Both are minuscule numbers. Do you have anything better than blind sensationalism?

And how much of that 0.1 is limited to certain neighborhoods of Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis?
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