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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:32 am

Philjia wrote:
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It's almost like he has no real argument to stand on.

If Britain can not have mass shootings so cam the US.

If you wanted to be taken seriously, you should have tried having an actual conversation. Now you're just the anti-gun guy who calls people names, makes strawmen, and uses sexist imagery.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:33 am

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Paddy O Fernature wrote:
It's almost like he has no real argument to stand on.

If Britain can not have mass shootings so cam the US.

How are your stabbings and acid attacks going?
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:33 am

We need security everywhere now. Big expanding business, hopefully.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:33 am

Philjia wrote:In reality nothing I say will make a difference because there's nothing I can say that will convince any gun nut to change their views except a first hand discovery that their guns can not, in fact, protect them, but in that case it's fairly likely that they will be too dead to change their minds, and then after they're dead everyone will shake their heads and say "nothing we could do" as the bodies pile up and America steadily pays it's infinite toll for believing in the lie that they can protect themselves.


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Postby Galloism » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:34 am

Philjia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
It's almost like he has no real argument to stand on.

If Britain can not have mass shootings so cam the US.

I’d rather live with a mass shooting every day than live in the sexist dystopian anti-freedom security state the UK has become.

Seriously. Some things aren’t worth the price.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:34 am

The South Falls wrote:We need security everywhere now. Big expanding business, hopefully.

No. We don't need security theatre over a rare type of violent crime.
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Postby Philjia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:34 am

Galloism wrote:
Philjia wrote:If Britain can not have mass shootings so cam the US.

I’d rather live with a mass shooting every day than live in the sexist dystopian anti-freedom security state the UK has become.

Seriously. Some things aren’t worth the price.

You literally already live in a dystopian antifreedom security state. What a shame.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:36 am

Philjia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’d rather live with a mass shooting every day than live in the sexist dystopian anti-freedom security state the UK has become.

Seriously. Some things aren’t worth the price.

You literally already live in a dystopian antifreedom security state. What a shame.

There are levels. I wouldn’t get convicted a crime for putting a video of me pranking my partner on YouTube, for example. Or for carrying a potato peeler in public.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:37 am

Philjia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’d rather live with a mass shooting every day than live in the sexist dystopian anti-freedom security state the UK has become.

Seriously. Some things aren’t worth the price.

You literally already live in a dystopian antifreedom security state. What a shame.


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Postby Gravlen » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 am

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Gravlen wrote:As the article says:

Prior to masterminding the attack Eric Harris wrote constantly of his dedication to Hitler and Nazi ideology. Dave Cullen, a journalist who studied the attacks and combed through Harris’s journals, noted that the young killer was also obsessed with Timothy McVeigh.

And yet their motivation was strictly based in nihilism and misanthropy. The didn't idolize the Nazis for killing jews, they idolized Nazis for effecting killing people in general. They didn't admire McVeigh for his politics, they admired his body count.

Seriously, read their journals. They are very explicit in their hatred for Mankind altogether. They wanted everyone dead, or as many as they could manage.

No thank you. I'll leave that to others, like this guy:

Thus, Eric endorsed the Nazis’ attitude towards “defective” people, their racial bigotry and ethnocentrism, their relegation of women to a subordinate position, and other attitudes.
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Postby Philjia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:42 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Philjia wrote:You literally already live in a dystopian antifreedom security state. What a shame.


If you click your heals together, and wish real hard, it just might come true.

Try voting or engaging with the police while black. Try getting really sick. Try being in debt. Try browsing the internet without the NSA reading it. Try being an immigrant. Sure, I can't have an AR 15 or possess child pornography, but let's not pretend they're that important.
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Postby Gravlen » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:42 am

Galloism wrote:
Philjia wrote:You literally already live in a dystopian antifreedom security state. What a shame.

There are levels. I wouldn’t get convicted a crime for putting a video of me pranking my partner on YouTube, for example. Or for carrying a potato peeler in public.

So in one country you may be fined £800 (which may not have stood, if he had bothered to properly fight it through the courts, kinda like how the Janet Jackson boob-fine of $550000 didn't stand after the courts got involved), and in the other you may be fined for showing boobs and outright killed.

Yeah, I don't share your priorities.
EnragedMaldivians wrote:That's preposterous. Gravlens's not a white nationalist; Gravlen's a penguin.

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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:46 am

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Scomagia wrote:And yet their motivation was strictly based in nihilism and misanthropy. The didn't idolize the Nazis for killing jews, they idolized Nazis for effecting killing people in general. They didn't admire McVeigh for his politics, they admired his body count.

Seriously, read their journals. They are very explicit in their hatred for Mankind altogether. They wanted everyone dead, or as many as they could manage.

No thank you. I'll leave that to others, like this guy:

Thus, Eric endorsed the Nazis’ attitude towards “defective” people, their racial bigotry and ethnocentrism, their relegation of women to a subordinate position, and other attitudes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/ ... did-it.amp

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Sounds like someone who hates everybody.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:47 am

Gravlen wrote:
Galloism wrote:There are levels. I wouldn’t get convicted a crime for putting a video of me pranking my partner on YouTube, for example. Or for carrying a potato peeler in public.

So in one country you may be fined £800 (which may not have stood, if he had bothered to properly fight it through the courts, kinda like how the Janet Jackson boob-fine of $550000 didn't stand after the courts got involved), and in the other you may be fined for showing boobs and outright killed.

Yeah, I don't share your priorities.

No, in one country we have implicit bias against men in the justice system based on their gender due to bias of the public along with a higher level of gun violence.

In the other, there is explicit directives from the legal system to be biased against men in the justice system on the basis of their gender, explicit directives not to collect exculpatory evidence so it doesn’t have to be shared with the defense, caving to violent religious extremists, a greater amount of knife violence, plus acid attacks. And they arrest people for nazi jokes and for carrying potato peelers in public.

You’re right - I don’t share your priorities. We have problems, but in the grand scheme of things, an expressly sexist and oppressive government is worse than random acts of gun violence.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:47 am

Philjia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If you click your heals together, and wish real hard, it just might come true.

Try voting or engaging with the police while black. Try getting really sick. Try being in debt. Try browsing the internet without the NSA reading it. Try being an immigrant. Sure, I can't have an AR 15 or possess child pornography, but let's not pretend they're that important.

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Postby Kanadorika » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:47 am

Philjia wrote:
Gagium wrote:2. Criminals are called criminals for a reason..They commit CRIMES; In other words, they break the law. Why would people planning to kill dozens follow gun laws?

Seize and destroy the guns.
4. How did you manage to also say the police are bad here? I wonder what'd happen in Dayton if the police didn't have their guns.

If only there was some way you could have police officers with guns available without every beat cop having a revolver on their person at all times. Truly an unsolvable problem.


Ah yes, because seizing and destroying drugs has worked wonders for the drug war and we totally don't have opioids on nearly every inner city street corner. Obviously the same thing wouldn't happen with guns. People would never smuggle them in from south of the border.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:48 am

Scomagia wrote:
Gravlen wrote:No thank you. I'll leave that to others, like this guy:

Thus, Eric endorsed the Nazis’ attitude towards “defective” people, their racial bigotry and ethnocentrism, their relegation of women to a subordinate position, and other attitudes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/ ... did-it.amp

“YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? Cuuuuuuuuhntryyyyyyyyyy music!!! …“YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? People who say that wrestling is real!! …“YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? People who use the same word over and over again! … Read a f—in book or two, increase your vo-cab-u-lary f*ck*ng idiots.”“YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? STUPID PEOPLE!!! Why must so many people be so stupid!!? … YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? When people mispronounce words! and they dont even know it to, like acrosT, or eXspreso, pacific (specific), or 2 pAck. learn to speak correctly you morons.YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? STAR WARS FANS!!! GET A FaaaaaaRIGIN LIFE YOU BORING GEEEEEKS!


Sounds like someone who hates everybody.

Sounds like Maddox, but-not satire.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:48 am

Philjia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If you click your heals together, and wish real hard, it just might come true.

Try voting or engaging with the police while black. Try getting really sick. Try being in debt. Try browsing the internet without the NSA reading it. Try being an immigrant. Sure, I can't have an AR 15 or possess child pornography, but let's not pretend they're that important.

So you've just devolved into America bashing. Real classy. You totally strike me as some worth having a conversation with. :roll:
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:48 am

Kanadorika wrote:
Philjia wrote:Seize and destroy the guns.

If only there was some way you could have police officers with guns available without every beat cop having a revolver on their person at all times. Truly an unsolvable problem.


Ah yes, because seizing and destroying drugs has worked wonders for the drug war and we totally don't have opioids on nearly every inner city street corner. Obviously the same thing wouldn't happen with guns. People would never smuggle them in from south of the border.

Or 3D print them...
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:49 am

Philjia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If you click your heals together, and wish real hard, it just might come true.

Try voting or engaging with the police while black.


I would, but blackface is frowned on I thought.

Philjia wrote:Try getting really sick...


Have been on a couple of occasions. Still here and doing just fine.

Philjia wrote:Try being in debt...


Have been on a couple of occasions. Still here and doing just fine.

Philjia wrote:Try browsing the internet without the NSA reading it...


Bomb, Trump, Anthrax, Terrorist, Mass Shooting. I've been apart of this site since 2010. If I'm not even accidentally on a NSA wtf list for any combination of things I've said on here for RP purposes then someone isn't doing their job.

Philjia wrote:Try being an immigrant..


In Cali, this isn't a bad thing. More rights then legal citizens these days it feels like.

Philjia wrote:Sure, I can't have an AR 15 or possess child pornography, but let's not pretend they're that important.


Except that owning firearms is important and provides more net benefits then negative by a rather large margin for the overwhelming majority of owners.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:50 am

Scomagia wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:
Ah yes, because seizing and destroying drugs has worked wonders for the drug war and we totally don't have opioids on nearly every inner city street corner. Obviously the same thing wouldn't happen with guns. People would never smuggle them in from south of the border.

Or 3D print them...

3D milling machines are about to change everything, btw. 3d printing is all plastic and has those limitations. 3d milling machines are dropping in price fast and will do roughly the same thing: in metal.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:50 am

Kowani wrote:
Scomagia wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/ ... did-it.amp



Sounds like someone who hates everybody.

Sounds like Maddox, but-not satire.

I will be fair and say the shooters had different motivations. One was clearly a misanthrope. The other could have been racist in motivation but I haven't seen much to support that.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:51 am

Galloism wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Or 3D print them...

3D milling machines are about to change everything, btw. 3d printing is all plastic and has those limitations. 3d milling machines are dropping in price fast and will do roughly the same thing: in metal.


3d printing in metal is already a thing.

https://3dprinting.co.uk/metal-3d-print ... gIlwvD_BwE
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:52 am

Galloism wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Or 3D print them...

3D milling machines are about to change everything, btw. 3d printing is all plastic and has those limitations. 3d milling machines are dropping in price fast and will do roughly the same thing: in metal.

Intriguing!

3D printing might still be preferable, generally. Plastic polymers are cheaper than metal, right?
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:52 am

Scomagia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sounds like Maddox, but-not satire.

I will be fair and say the shooters had different motivations. One was clearly a misanthrope. The other could have been racist in motivation but I haven't seen much to support that.

No clue.
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