MCU/Superhero Discussion Thread

[Ameriganastan]

...What is House Of M?

Something googleable.

But if you insist, Scarlet Witch's abilities to warp reality start to get a little out of control and she's losing her own grip. So a bunch of people get together and try to decide what to do. Emma Frost and Wolverine vote kill her while Captain America votes find a way to contain.

Word gets back to Magneto on Mutant Island or whatever it's called...if you wanted accuracy you should have googled it yourself...and he panics, all of a sudden it's a new world. Magneto was attacked by a Sentinel in the 70s because of Marvel's sliding timescale deal, it comes out there was some corruption...shenanigans shenanigans shenanigans...Mutants are in charge and humans are discriminated against. Spider-man is married to Gwen Stacy, Captain America is an old vet having never gone in the ice etc etc. Hawkeye is alive. Wolverine remembers what use to be, starts telling people "Hey, remember how your life use to kinda suck?" and a bunch of people remember. Turns out Quicksilver convinced Scarlet Witch to grant everyone's wishes...I guess everyone who is a super hero. I'm guessing the oppressed sapiens weren't wishing for that shit.

They find her, confront her about it and she decides "Alright, fuck it. No goddamn mutants." Now Doctor Strange is the one going around going "Both those things happened and they're not the normal thing." Something something worlds collide blah blah blah Secret Wars happens in which the House of M timeline is part of it called the Monarchy of M. Blah blah blah collapsed timeline there are less mutants some characters are alive now and some are dead or have no powers or their powers are different or whatever.

And I thought the movie timeline was confusing...

[Lord Dominator]

The shorter explanation is that House of M was Scarlett Witch was re-writing reality to flip the mutant minority to being the majority. Magento ruled the world, various supervillians ruled assorted chunks. Eventually they get her to undo it, with the caveat that she depowers most of the mutantsm (oddly not the main characters though...). The secret wars stuff is something else last I understood.

[Ameriganastan]

The shorter explanation is that House of M was Scarlett Witch was re-writing reality to flip the mutant minority to being the majority. Magento ruled the world, various supervillians ruled assorted chunks. Eventually they get her to undo it, with the caveat that she depowers most of the mutantsm (oddly not the main characters though...). The secret wars stuff is something else last I understood.

Oh.

[Forsher]

Thor Love and Thunder this effects Thor. He gives up his mantle, Jane Foster takes the title, but this is Watiti. I'm betting he's going full Simon Walterson. So we do get Beta Ray Bill. Maybe even Throg. Maybe even the emergence or the grains of the Thor Force.

In hindsight, it makes complete sense Throg used to be human. On the other hand, Throg used to be a human!???

WandaVision makes House of M make sense. However, I stand by many comments I've made in the past that having any particular event create mutants seriously undermines the mutant concept... I mean, this is literally the point they made to Magneto with this in Ultimatum. Similarly, I think House of M is interesting because it follows previous mutant films and, also, I like Decimation oh, wait, stupid MCU... M-Day. Hence, aside from implying a massive acceleration of Marvel films, I'd rather see something more like this. (I mean, that's 9 films all of which are X-Men/Mutant branded.)

You seem to be talking about Time Runs Out Secret Wars? Seems a bit high concept for a fanbase that made time travel the most controversial part of Endgame...

Word gets back to Magneto on Mutant Island or whatever it's called...if you wanted accuracy you should have googled it yourself...and he panics, all of a sudden it's a new world. Magneto was attacked by a Sentinel in the 70s because of Marvel's sliding timescale deal, it comes out there was some corruption...shenanigans shenanigans shenanigans...Mutants are in charge and humans are discriminated against. Spider-man is married to Gwen Stacy, Captain America is an old vet having never gone in the ice etc etc. Hawkeye is alive. Wolverine remembers what use to be, starts telling people "Hey, remember how your life use to kinda suck?" and a bunch of people remember. Turns out Quicksilver convinced Scarlet Witch to grant everyone's wishes...I guess everyone who is a super hero. I'm guessing the oppressed sapiens weren't wishing for that shit.

I think it was everyone who was present on Genosha... Carol, for example, becomes the world's greatest (most popular?) superhero. Which in the context of the wider world also means she becomes a model minority but there you are.

And I thought the movie timeline was confusing...

Age of Ultron in the comics resembles the movie Endgame much more than it does the movie Age of Ultron... aside from the villain being Thanos rather than Ultron, but there you go.

The real moral is that once you have X-Men, you have a whole lot of time-travel. I think there were four separate Icemen at one point... possibly not including the Age of Apocalypse version.

Anyway. That's what we really deserve. An Exiles film.

[Forsher]

The shorter explanation is that House of M was Scarlett Witch was re-writing reality to flip the mutant minority to being the majority. Magento ruled the world, various supervillians ruled assorted chunks. Eventually they get her to undo it, with the caveat that she depowers most of the mutantsm (oddly not the main characters though...). The secret wars stuff is something else last I understood.

Oh.

There are two Secret Wars. The recent one followed a really cool story called Time Runs Out. Basically there are multiverses but they're all colliding with each other, centred on Earth. T'Challa encounters one of these collisions ("incursions") and is informed by Black Swan that either you blow up one of the Earths or both universes are destroyed. The Illuminati then decide to try and do something about this, but can't bring themselves (for the most part) to blow up the other Earths. The exception is Namor who then forms the Cabal (featuring, among others, Thanos) who are perfectly happy to destroy the other Earths.

Eventually the other superheroes find out about this and at this point it gets really complex. Long story short though is that Doctor Doom figures out what's really going on and takes control of the process. Eventually this leaves him in a position to become God Doom and thus Battleworld was born... which basically consists of a collection of different alt universe stories all occupying a (theoretically) travellable space. The Secret Wars refers to the heroic attempts to destroy this system (as a result of the last Incursion* the main heroes & Thanos managed to avoid being reimagined by Doom).

I think the other Secret Wars is about an alien kidnapping people and making them fight. Not sure though.

*Between the two "main" continuities, i.e. 616 and the Ultimate Universe.

[Christian Confederation]

Welp the MCU is about to get a lot more complex, can't we just go back to the days where the most thinking we did was who will end up with x?

[Ameriganastan]

Welp the MCU is about to get a lot more complex, can't we just go back to the days where the most thinking we did was who will end up with x?

I'm dreading the multiverse coming into play. That shit makes stuff mad complicated.

[Christian Confederation]

Welp the MCU is about to get a lot more complex, can't we just go back to the days where the most thinking we did was who will end up with x?

I'm dreading the multiverse coming into play. That shit makes stuff mad complicated.

Yup, look on the bright side we can finally see the X-Men and F4.

But if things get to complex we can all agree FFH was the end and just re watch the old films/ start up the old fan fic press again (Shameless plug)
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1219583

[Ameriganastan]

I'm dreading the multiverse coming into play. That shit makes stuff mad complicated.

Yup, look on the bright side we can finally see the X-Men and F4.

But if things get to complex we can all agree FFH was the end and just re watch the old films/ start up the old fan fic press again (Shameless plug)
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1219583

Eh, I don't do fanfic of live action stuff. I stick to video games and cartoons.

[Lord Dominator]

Welp the MCU is about to get a lot more complex, can't we just go back to the days where the most thinking we did was who will end up with x?

I'm dreading the multiverse coming into play. That shit makes stuff mad complicated.

Marvel is generally pretty good about universe/story seperation, albeit usually after the fact. They don't actually run a whole ton of interuniversal stuff outside of the occasional single story that I'm aware of (like the upcoming Strange 2), otherwise it's just where they stick their AU stuff (Ultimate Universe excepted).

Edit: but yes, X-men stuff is absolutely covered in time travel stuff. My understanding is that really, the movies were rather far below the usual shenanigans level for them.

[Christian Confederation]

Yup, look on the bright side we can finally see the X-Men and F4.

But if things get to complex we can all agree FFH was the end and just re watch the old films/ start up the old fan fic press again (Shameless plug)
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1219583

Eh, I don't do fanfic of live action stuff. I stick to video games and cartoons.

Cool, but if you ever get board my stuff is pretty intertaning.

[Ameriganastan]

So while browsing Twitter, I discovered an interesting statistic. Spiderverse, you know, Oscar winning and near universally praised Spiderverse, is the lowest grossing of all Spiderman movies.

[Forsher]

So while browsing Twitter, I discovered an interesting statistic. Spiderverse, you know, Oscar winning and near universally praised Spiderverse, is the lowest grossing of all Spiderman movies.

I mean, it is animated and Sony hasn't exactly endeared itself to the "core" audience. These are both reasons to expect a lower gross.

I'm dreading the multiverse coming into play. That shit makes stuff mad complicated.

Marvel is generally pretty good about universe/story seperation, albeit usually after the fact. They don't actually run a whole ton of interuniversal stuff outside of the occasional single story that I'm aware of (like the upcoming Strange 2), otherwise it's just where they stick their AU stuff (Ultimate Universe excepted).

Well... I'm not sure of this.

Assuming I understand you properly, take Time Runs Out. That was a long running storyline based entirely on the premise of the multiverse and it really was entirely about the interaction between them. And you get some great interactions like:

Doc Green [Hulk]: "I'm the strongest one there is" (or something like this)
Sun God [one of many Superman analogues]: "Not in this universe, monster" *kicks Doc Green's arse*

Actually, that summary's nearly completely wrong. I'll leave it as is. Doc Green must have come around later in the bit where that storyline started to get very confusing, partly due to being in... I don't know... how many ongoing runs.

Or the whole "Terrax the Truly Enlightened" concept.

And then, of course, there's Exiles which I mentioned before. The early stuff was great and Exiles!Blink's awesome.

These kinds of storylines are really not so different to His Dark Materials or, even, Narnia. They're premised on and explore the multiverse. That's quite different to what you're talking about.

But then you get things like Age of Apocalypse, House of M, Old Man Logan, Marvel 1602 (would be cool to see an adaptation of this) which are, at least as originally developed, self-contained and/or alternative timeline stories (that were mostly self contained... Dark Beast and the like excepted with AoA). This does seem to be your point.

[Pasong Tirad]

Just a thought, but perhaps how great a movie is shouldn't be tied to how much money it makes. It sucks that they weren't able to make more, which would have helped spur more development for ITSV, but that doesn't take away from just how good the movie is. Much in the same way, Endgame being the highest grossing movie ever doesn't make it the best movie ever.

[Cannot think of a name]

The OG Secret Wars happened because a jacked Micheal Landon looking motherfucker wearing something from the Miami Vice wardrobe rack with a wet perm came from another dimension named The Beyonder with nearly unlimited power and thought it would be neat to put all of Earth's heroes and villains on one planet to see what happened like a kid putting bugs in a jar.

Spiderman's suit got fucked up in the process so the Hulk and some other dude led him to this room where he got a new suit that responded to his thoughts...but that was because it was a symbiote that was hoping to merge with him completely so he got rid of it and his professional rival got it and became Venom.

Also the Hulk lifted a mountain because Mr. Fantastic told him he was a piece of shit.

And Molecule Man got pissed and decided to remind everyone that the only reason they're alive is because he has decided not to fuck them all up.

[Lord Dominator]

That is roughly what I was referring to Forsher.

Also, by box office 'Gone With the Wind' would be the best movie, not Endgame (inflation being a thing).

[Christian Confederation]

That is roughly what I was referring to Forsher.

Also, by box office 'Gone With the Wind' would be the best movie, not Endgame (inflation being a thing).

The south is Happy!
Hell if we keep doing reruns every summer it will never be taken down as champion.

As long as we don't do Titanic/ Avatar/ endgame reruns will be a ok

[Lord Dominator]

That is roughly what I was referring to Forsher.

Also, by box office 'Gone With the Wind' would be the best movie, not Endgame (inflation being a thing).

The south is Happy!
Hell if we keep doing reruns every summer it will never be taken down as champion.

As long as we don't do Titanic/ Avatar/ endgame reruns will be a ok

Endgame has about 2.8 billion in gross. GWtW has about 3.8 billion in inflation-adjusted gross. Re-releases & re-runs aren't going to cut it.

[Christian Confederation]

The south is Happy!
Hell if we keep doing reruns every summer it will never be taken down as champion.

As long as we don't do Titanic/ Avatar/ endgame reruns will be a ok

Endgame has about 2.8 billion in gross. GWtW has about 3.8 billion in inflation-adjusted gross. Re-releases & re-runs aren't going to cut it.

Great

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Just saw Spiderman.

I let it slide when Incredibles 2 recycled the plot of the first movie, but doing it a third time was really taking the piss.

More seriously, why did Tony have murder-drones? Isn't that just Hydra? But I guess it's okay if he does it?

Good movie though.

[Lord Dominator]

Captain Marvel was better on second viewing, given that I was aware of the differences to the usual MCU movie going in.

Far From Home has also grossed over a billion worldwide, and is the first Spider-Man movie to do so.

[The first Galactic Republic]

Lol.

[Valrifell]

Just saw Spiderman.

I let it slide when Incredibles 2 recycled the plot of the first movie, but doing it a third time was really taking the piss.

More seriously, why did Tony have murder-drones? Isn't that just Hydra? But I guess it's okay if he does it?

Good movie though.

I was wondering the same thing, I thought Tony Stark stopped making weapons in the first Iron Man movie, you know, the one that came out in 08?

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Just saw Spiderman.

I let it slide when Incredibles 2 recycled the plot of the first movie, but doing it a third time was really taking the piss.

More seriously, why did Tony have murder-drones? Isn't that just Hydra? But I guess it's okay if he does it?

Good movie though.

I was wondering the same thing, I thought Tony Stark stopped making weapons in the first Iron Man movie, you know, the one that came out in 08?

And his thing in Civil War was that he wanted oversight, which giving a single person access to everyone's data and the power to murder anyone with a word seems to fly in the face of.

It's definitely an odd creative choice.

[Cannot think of a name]

I was wondering the same thing, I thought Tony Stark stopped making weapons in the first Iron Man movie, you know, the one that came out in 08?

And his thing in Civil War was that he wanted oversight, which giving a single person access to everyone's data and the power to murder anyone with a word seems to fly in the face of.

It's definitely an odd creative choice.

He also wanted to build a suit of armor around the world. He was a conflicted cat.