Ifreann wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
First off there are ideologies that don't cause untold mass murder, one of them being liberal democracies like that of Sweden or switzerland.
As I said, this isn't really on topic. So I won't be pursuing that tangent further.Second, I never defended the proud boys. Just because the other side is bad doesn't mean your side is good. Third, refer to my second point.
I know you only brought up and defended Patriots Prayer, not the Proud Boys, I never said otherwise, but I'm not saying that those groups being bad means that anti-fascists are good. However, consider that those groups have not been subject of a resolution being put forward by Republican Senators. You keep saying that antifa are violent thugs who are just as bad as fascists. But the GOP aren't condemning the Proud Boys and Patriots Prayer. Ted Cruz appeared on Louder With Crowder with the founder of the Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes.
So we must ask ourselves, why the different treatment? Could it be, perhaps, that the GOP see political advantage in condemning antifa? Could it be that that label could be applied to any left wing activist? Well then suddenly the entire left are terrorists, or affiliated with terrorists. How advantageous to the right. Left wing protests and rallies could be shut down whether there's unrest or not, for fear of the presence of dangerous terrorists.Fourth, antifa is a specific movement and tactic, not just being antifascist. I even provided you a link about what it is but you didn't read it I see.
I went back and checked and it looks like you edited those links into your post after I read it. Regardless, I don't really care what Wikipedia has to say.Fifth, I'm not pro identity politics. I'm not accusing them of being racist or homophobic, I'm just saying the guy they attacked sure doesn't fit the profile of a fascist.
Why not? You do know that fascism isn't exclusively European, don't you? Japan wasn't in the Axis as a liberal democracy.Sixth, you aren't fighting fascism when you vandalize the young republicans club meeting. You're fighting people for not agreeing with you
Well, no, when you're vandalising property you're vandalising property, not fighting people. But you seem to be under the impression that a Young Republicans Club can't possibly be advancing the cause of fascism. Which is silly. Where else would fascism make in-roads into mainstream politics, if not the GOP?Oh I almost forgot the part about self defense. It isn't a matter of debate or disagreement. When you go looking for a fight, you aren't defending yourself. Antifa constantly looks to start trouble, they are aggressors
Are they constantly looking for trouble? You say so, but I'm sure they would say otherwise. I ask again why you are right and they wrong. Further, is it necessarily true that people who go looking for a fight are the aggressors? Is it not possible for people to go to a rally or protest, knowing full well that there is a strong possibility of violence breaking out, and still be acting in self-defence when attacked? I will remind you that Andy Ngo was not jumped randomly in the street or attacked in his own home. He went to a rally, and went there with a group he knows are prone to carrying out violent attacks. One could easily say that he was looking for a fight. Maybe you don't think so, but you can no more read his mind and know his true intentions than you can read the minds of any of his unknown assailants.
I believe antifa counts technically as a group of terrorists. It doesn't mean I agree with ted cruz who is trying to silence all anti trump demonstrations and paving the way for government to criminalize any and all anti establishment movements. As for the part about andy ngo being attacked at a rally, it doesn't matter if it's dangerous. Antifa is still wrong for attacking him. Ngo isn't a fascist. He hasn't called for the Us to become an authoritarian country where trump can send whoever he wants to the gulag. I don't agree with him on everything but calling andy ngo a fascist is like saying Nancy pelosi is a communist or calling Bernie Sanders mao zedong