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How relevant is height discrimination, and who does it affect the most?

Very relevant; men
10
20%
Relevant; men
17
35%
Not all that relevant; men
11
22%
Irrelevant; men
5
10%
Very relevant; women
2
4%
Relevant; women
1
2%
Not all that relevant; women
1
2%
Irrelevant; women
2
4%
 
Total votes : 49

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:30 am

What a pos.

Yes people discriminate based on height but to sue someone you challenged to fight is some seriously cowardly bs.
Whoever said "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink" has clearly never drown a horse.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:43 am

Fahran wrote:
Treadwellia wrote:Ok. I made it to about page three. I clearly am not hip with current lingo.

1: Incel/InCel?
2: NEET?
3: Stacy community?

What are these things?

Thank you for filling me in.

I hate that this is my generation.

1: An incel, or involuntary celibate, generally refers to a man from his early teens to his late twenties who has minimal relationship experience and who is likely a virgin as well. However, many people who meets these two basic criteria would not qualify as incels. An incel specifically employs this term to describe himself, identifies with a broader community that often has problematic attitudes, and is deeply perturbed by his state as a virgin or less experienced romantic partner. Most often, blame is put on women, society, or some other factor. In most cases, however, the issue with an incel will be a lack of confidence, a more reserved personality, an absence of strong interpersonal relationships beyond the immediate family, social isolation, and, more often than not, prejudices towards women.

2: A NEET, derived from an acronym that stands for Not in Education, Employment, or Training, refers to someone who is not presently educating themselves, is not presently employed or seeking employment, and is not presently training or learning skills that would make them more socially engaging or worth hiring in a specialized position. Most often they are stereotyped as being obsessed with video games or the internet.

3: A Stacy is a stereo-typically preppy, attractive, and bitchy woman or girl, often seen as a bully or persecutor of nerdy, socially awkward, or physically unappealing men and boys. It is derived from Stacy being a stereotypical name for popular girls.

Pretty decent definitions.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:47 am

And if you have minimal relationship experience and you manage to make it to 30+ years of age, you're a Wizard. If you have the same criteria and make it to 40+ years of age, you can be a Grand Wizard.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:48 am

I am a height supremacist.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:49 am

Fahran wrote:
Treadwellia wrote:Ok. I made it to about page three. I clearly am not hip with current lingo.

1: Incel/InCel?
2: NEET?
3: Stacy community?

What are these things?

Thank you for filling me in.

I hate that this is my generation.

1: An incel, or involuntary celibate, generally refers to a man from his early teens to his late twenties who has minimal relationship experience and who is likely a virgin as well. However, many people who meets these two basic criteria would not qualify as incels. An incel specifically employs this term to describe himself, identifies with a broader community that often has problematic attitudes, and is deeply perturbed by his state as a virgin or less experienced romantic partner. Most often, blame is put on women, society, or some other factor. In most cases, however, the issue with an incel will be a lack of confidence, a more reserved personality, an absence of strong interpersonal relationships beyond the immediate family, social isolation, and, more often than not, prejudices towards women.

2: A NEET, derived from an acronym that stands for Not in Education, Employment, or Training, refers to someone who is not presently educating themselves, is not presently employed or seeking employment, and is not presently training or learning skills that would make them more socially engaging or worth hiring in a specialized position. Most often they are stereotyped as being obsessed with video games or the internet.

3: A Stacy is a stereo-typically preppy, attractive, and bitchy woman or girl, often seen as a bully or persecutor of nerdy, socially awkward, or physically unappealing men and boys. It is derived from Stacy being a stereotypical name for popular girls.


These sound like 80s movie characters.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:51 am

Height Power! Height Pride World Wide!
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:52 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Height Power! Height Pride World Wide!


Go back to Holland you freak.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:55 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Height Power! Height Pride World Wide!


Go back to Holland you freak.


As much as I admire Dutch Calvinist culture, I am not Dutch. I am an American.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:55 am

I find it rather odd that a Swedish study in social sciences is being cited by someone who would likely disregard it in any other circumstance.
But yes, it is a problem and it disproportionately affects men. It is not, however, a problem to the degree that child custody discrimination, societal and legal acceptance of genital mutilation (for cis men), and disregard for sexual assault are.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:57 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Go back to Holland you freak.


As much as I admire Dutch Calvinist culture, I am not Dutch. I am an American.


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36888541

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:59 am

Height Privilege
Height Power
Height Pride
Height Supremacy
Straight Height Male
Working Class Heights
Red, Height, and Blue

These are funny
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:59 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
As much as I admire Dutch Calvinist culture, I am not Dutch. I am an American.


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36888541


I am aware of the supreme height of West Germanic people.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:05 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Height Privilege
Height Power
Height Pride
Height Supremacy
Straight Height Male
Working Class Heights
Red, Height, and Blue

These are funny

Anti Size is Anti Height.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:14 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Height Privilege
Height Power
Height Pride
Height Supremacy
Straight Height Male
Working Class Heights
Red, Height, and Blue

These are funny

Anti Size is Anti Height.


Non-Hispanic Heights
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:44 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:> it isn't infrequent to stumble upon ill-intended comments aimed at the stature of people, especially men, done by a public that is usually composed of women.

>not baiting a tirade on how Vaginas Are Evil

whew lad.

It isn't wrong though? Just like the bulk of criticism on weight is done by men towards women, although thats a fairly established concept already

Vassenor wrote:Plus most of the rant was based on the fact that women won't date him and he assumed it must be because of his height and not because he's, you know, the sort of guy to throw down in a bagel store because the cashier smiled at him.

Once you are harassed long enough by whatever characteristic you possess, it's unsurprising that you will end up assimilating social rejection to that -- even because it is rational to do so. While at his rant he also directly said that many women were extremely disrespectful to him because of his height, so its not like there is a random "residual" to explain his situation.

Nah. People have preferences. There are, of course, women who don't care about height or even like short guys in particular. It's not like the great uterine hivemind has decided short men are inferior. Weight is a similar deal. I find bigger women attractive and have way harsher opinions of fat men then I do fat women.


His perception of disrespect could be entirely wrong.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:46 am

Saiwania wrote:And if you have minimal relationship experience and you manage to make it to 30+ years of age, you're a Wizard. If you have the same criteria and make it to 40+ years of age, you can be a Grand Wizard.

Aren’t those KKK positions? :eyebrow:
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:52 am

Caracasus wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:"Don't even approach me if you ain't at least 6ft."


Both men and women are held to standards of physical attractiveness that for most people are unrealistic and not achievable. This is no different from someone getting the piss taken out of them for being over/underweight, their hair colour etc.

I mean, some people are dickheads - yeah. That's not a new thing. To pretend that every woman, or hell even most women are unwilling to date shorter men is ridiculous.


Fat shaming is correctly looked down on by society. The equivalent for short people (height shaming?) Is barely even mentioned and in fact is tolerated widely. Now I am not tall, nor overly short, about 5ft 9 I think, and I haven't had any trouble with this problem, but I have seen many times short men being mocked for being short or women saying they would only date someone over 6ft. Is it most women? Absolutely not. In the same way that most men don't fat shame. Still a problem though
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Postby Griemvarant » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:54 am

Didn't the guy's whole meltdown start because the bagel lady mocked him that he should be having mini-bagels, and everyone else chuckled? That kind of insult is unprofessional in the extreme and for someone that small I can only imagine how often he's insulted on a daily basis. When you've spent your entire life being mocked for something you can't control, and there are no government programs or propaganda operations to counteract the discrimination, it will of course breed extreme resentment.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:55 am

Griemvarant wrote:Didn't the guy's whole meltdown start because the bagel lady mocked him that he should be having mini-bagels, and everyone else chuckled? That kind of insult is unprofessional in the extreme and for someone that small I can only imagine how often he's insulted on a daily basis. When you've spent your entire life being mocked for something you can't control, and there are no government programs or propaganda operations to counteract the discrimination, it will of course breed extreme resentment.

His whole persona is about being professionally offended.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:00 am

I thought short people were just for making Keebler cookies and cleaning chimneys.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:05 am

Griemvarant wrote:Didn't the guy's whole meltdown start because the bagel lady mocked him that he should be having mini-bagels, and everyone else chuckled? That kind of insult is unprofessional in the extreme and for someone that small I can only imagine how often he's insulted on a daily basis. When you've spent your entire life being mocked for something you can't control, and there are no government programs or propaganda operations to counteract the discrimination, it will of course breed extreme resentment.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:11 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
As much as I admire Dutch Calvinist culture, I am not Dutch. I am an American.


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36888541


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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am

If I may, I'm 6'5" (Well, 6'4 1/2...) and I'd like to know something. Other people say that I'm tall, so I guess that makes me tall? I mean, I don't feel particularly tall, but I digress. Anyway, my question is: what's it like to be short?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:22 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I may, I'm 6'5" (Well, 6'4 1/2...) and I'd like to know something. Other people say that I'm tall, so I guess that makes me tall? I mean, I don't feel particularly tall, but I digress. Anyway, my question is: what's it like to be short?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:23 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:If I may, I'm 6'5" (Well, 6'4 1/2...) and I'd like to know something. Other people say that I'm tall, so I guess that makes me tall? I mean, I don't feel particularly tall, but I digress. Anyway, my question is: what's it like to be short?


weird flex but okay

I'm only 6'3, I'm a manlet
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