So he lied. Well did he regret joining the CSA?
Christian Confederation wrote:I didn't observe it, but did hear about it.
We should keep the holiday but talk about the good and bad.
Georgia celebrates Jeff Davis and General Lee's birthday, as well as Confederate memorial day.
The civil war happened 200+ years ago and people are still talking about it. If we keep taking down statues and "Blow those Racists off Stone mountain!" Like some people want-https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/abrams-calls-for-removal-confederate-faces-off-stone-mountain/MysbHRxXFN3ueVb79LdVMJ/
(She didn't win thank the Lord)
Point being I don't want my defendents to live in a world where the bravery and heroism of the southern men is forgotten.
I don't want to live in a world where my descendants are wary of people glorifying terrorists and racists.
EastKekistan wrote:Christian Confederation wrote:It's still wrong, and I'd rather not see censorship and history altering in America.
I didn't say that it is justified but what America does isn't worse than what other nations do. Any republic has to have asabiyyah-boosting brainwashing. Any empire has to have loyal-to-the-emperor brainwashing.
The world is full of people deceiving each other for personal gain.
Bashing of white Southerners is a necessary consequence of including black descendants of slaves into Americans. Either white Southerners are "real Americans" or black descendants of slaves are but not both.
Both are.
Kannap wrote:Christian Confederation wrote:I didn't observe it, but did hear about it.
We should keep the holiday but talk about the good and bad.
Georgia celebrates Jeff Davis and General Lee's birthday, as well as Confederate memorial day.
The civil war happened 200+ years ago and people are still talking about it. If we keep taking down statues and "Blow those Racists off Stone mountain!" Like some people want-https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/abrams-calls-for-removal-confederate-faces-off-stone-mountain/MysbHRxXFN3ueVb79LdVMJ/
(She didn't win thank the Lord)
Point being I don't want my defendents to live in a world where the bravery and heroism of the southern men is forgotten.
Bring down every Confederate statue that's in the public plaza, change every school, bridge, street, etc. named after Confederate generals, take every Confederate flag off government flagpoles.
Put them all in a museum.
First American Empire wrote:Kannap wrote:
Bring down every Confederate statue that's in the public plaza, change every school, bridge, street, etc. named after Confederate generals, take every Confederate flag off government flagpoles.
This. Also blow up Stone Mountain with a nuclear bomb. (Assuming there are no homes nearby, otherwise just blow it up with dynamite.)
It isn't, I've seen it myself. But it is part of Stone Mountain historical site and there's an area where people sit in front of it (like a picnic area)
Ethel mermania wrote:Forrest repended his views later in life coming to fully support negro suffrage and championed the admission of a black kid into law school. So I believe that repentance is sincere.
I wonder if anyone else yet mentioned that.
I kind of feel in the case of forrest it is too little to late. I do not believe we should honor the man.
If it was sincere good on him.
EastKekistan wrote:First American Empire wrote:
They can both be "real Americans". Many white southerners have just chosen not to, by literally supporting treason committed in the name of slavery. If they simply stopped venerating the Confederacy, everything would be fine.
They can not. The harsh reality of the universe tells me that in any political struggle the winner needs to not just defend their rights but also be deliberately unreasonable. If southern whites give in on Confederate symbols more demands will come. Same for the other side. Politics inherently requires violence and illegality. Winners are people who can commit crimes (i.e. violate nominally shared norms) and get away with it.
White southerners are Americans, black people are Americans. Get over it and stop trying to cause more division.
Arcadian States and Commonwealths wrote:If it is done right it can be a good idea since he realized he was wrong and tried to fix his mistakes but we all know racists will use it as a day for a pro-CSA circle jerk while being ignorant of the fact he disavowed the Klan
"After only a year as Grand Wizard, in January 1869, faced with an ungovernable membership employing methods that seemed increasingly counterproductive, Forrest issued KKK General Order Number One: “It is therefore ordered and decreed, that the masks and costumes of this Order be entirely abolished and destroyed.” By the end of his life, Forrest’s racial attitudes would evolve — in 1875, he advocated for the admission of blacks into law school — and he lived to fully renounce his involvement with the all-but-vanished Klan.” ~Huffington Post
Then why not celebrate that part of his life instead of the racist part? Geez, this is what I hate about the South
Heloin wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Forrest repended his views later in life coming to fully support negro suffrage and championed the admission of a black kid into law school. So I believe that repentance is sincere.
I wonder if anyone else yet mentioned that.
I kind of feel in the case of forrest it is too little to late. I do not believe we should honor the man.
The people who want to honour the man are probably not honouring him for his later support for suffrage.First American Empire wrote:
This. Also blow up Stone Mountain with a nuclear bomb. (Assuming there are no homes nearby, otherwise just blow it up with dynamite.)
Lots of people live right next to it. I briefly lived only a few kilometres from it when my family first moved to America. Just blow up the carvings, it'd be much easier then the whole mountain.
^This. I thought that was what he meant. Yeah, don't blow up the whole mountain, the view there is beautiful.
EastKekistan wrote:Kannap wrote:
Confederate generals weren't Jews being targeted by genocide, they were aggressors fighting and killing their countrymen for the right to own another human being. Your comparison wasn't a good one.
Censorship my ass, if anything it makes the headaches louder. Nobody's silencing anybody when they're screaming on Fox News or in the public forum all the time anyway.
Nobody cares.
You don't care. The rest of us do.