“Only overstayed”
If you have a deadline to be out of the country, and you are not out of the country, that would be a crime.
It’s not like I don’t have sympathy, but under laws, that would be illegal, thus they are here illegally.
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by UIJ » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:54 pm
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by Igueranel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:56 pm
US-SSR wrote:The Second Amendment speaks of "the right of the People to keep and bear Arms." In other Constitutional cases, "person" and "People" has been construed to include anyone physically in the US. Logically, undocumented migrants in the US should have the right to keep and bear arms.
One commonly cited reason for Amendment II is to enable the populace to defend itself against a tyrranical government. A government that seeks to put one's children in concentration camps and send one to a country one has fled from is by definition tyrranical. Again, logically, undocumented migrants in the US should have the right to keep and bear arms to defend themseves from the US government.
However, if US government has the right to restrict undocumented migrants' access to arms, why does it not have the right to make other common-sense restrictions on gun ownership including universal background checks, magazine size restrictions, or bans on semiautomatics and bump stocks?
by Duhon » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:57 pm
UIJ wrote:Liriena wrote:About as different as driving with an expired license, at least in the case of a plurality of cases. A significant number of undocumented immigrants only overstayed their visas.
“Only overstayed”
If you have a deadline to be out of the country, and you are not out of the country, that would be a crime.
It’s not like I don’t have sympathy, but under laws, that would be illegal, thus they are here illegally.
by Pyta » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:57 pm
UIJ wrote:Liriena wrote:About as different as driving with an expired license, at least in the case of a plurality of cases. A significant number of undocumented immigrants only overstayed their visas.
“Only overstayed”
If you have a deadline to be out of the country, and you are not out of the country, that would be a crime.
It’s not like I don’t have sympathy, but under laws, that would be illegal, thus they are here illegally.
by Free Arabian Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:58 pm
Nakena wrote:Absolutly not.Second Amendment to the United States Constitution wrote:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
A well regulated militia is necessarily made up of citizens who are fully political enfranchised in the republic. This tradition dates back to the Roman Republic and I am pretty sure thats the way how the founders intended it.
In that context, citizenship is also granted to people who serve in the US Military. So if they want to go that route they should join the military.
Service guarantees citizenship and thus also the right to bear arms.
by Nakena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:59 pm
Duhon wrote:Nakena wrote:Absolutly not.
A well regulated militia is necessarily made up of citizens who are fully political enfranchised in the republic. This tradition dates back to the Roman Republic and I am pretty sure thats the way how the founders intended it.
In that context, citizenship is also granted to people who serve in the US Military. So if they want to go that route they should join the military.
Service guarantees citizenship and thus also the right to bear arms.
Except that's not what's happening. Presumably you haven't heard of immigrant soldiers being quietly discharged from their posts recently?
Here you go.
by UIJ » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:59 pm
Duhon wrote:Nakena wrote:Absolutly not.
A well regulated militia is necessarily made up of citizens who are fully political enfranchised in the republic. This tradition dates back to the Roman Republic and I am pretty sure thats the way how the founders intended it.
In that context, citizenship is also granted to people who serve in the US Military. So if they want to go that route they should join the military.
Service guarantees citizenship and thus also the right to bear arms.
Except that's not what's happening. Presumably you haven't heard of immigrant soldiers being quietly discharged from their posts recently?
Here you go.
Pyta wrote:UIJ wrote:“Only overstayed”
If you have a deadline to be out of the country, and you are not out of the country, that would be a crime.
It’s not like I don’t have sympathy, but under laws, that would be illegal, thus they are here illegally.
again, so is speeding, but I've done that and they still let me buy guns.
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by Rojava Free State » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:01 pm
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by Pyta » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:02 pm
UIJ wrote:Duhon wrote:
Except that's not what's happening. Presumably you haven't heard of immigrant soldiers being quietly discharged from their posts recently?
Here you go.
what the actual shit
by Free Arabian Nation » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:03 pm
UIJ wrote:Duhon wrote:
Except that's not what's happening. Presumably you haven't heard of immigrant soldiers being quietly discharged from their posts recently?
Here you go.
what the actual shit
by Empires Empire » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:03 pm
by Nakena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:06 pm
Empires Empire wrote:All gun laws are infringement, so yes.
They can buy nice guns here, and then take them home with them gift wrapped when we deport them.
In fact, we should put in a gift shop at the deportation centers so they can shop on their way out.
by Solarist VZ » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:07 pm
US-SSR wrote:-snip-
by Duhon » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:09 pm
Solarist VZ wrote:US-SSR wrote:-snip-
A immigrant isn't a citizen. The 2A exists to allow the Citizens of the United States to organize themselves to defend their liberties and interests. And to be fair, mass migration can be bad, as it brings both the best (resulting in brain-drain for their origin country, as all countries want the best for themselves) and the worst.
As a person in a undemocratic country (venezuela) that has disarmed their populace. I say every single nation to have their own 2A equivalent to their own citizens can defend their rights.
by Empires Empire » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:09 pm
by Dytarma » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:10 pm
by Empires Empire » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:12 pm
Dytarma wrote:Illegals are illegal, and they're illegal for a reason, they shouldnt get gun rights. Example. Imagine if I went into a house and asked for a TV. The owner of said home would probably say no, however due to a family rule stating the TV is a natural right, they give one to me. Now I have a TV since family rights apply to non family. It sounds dumb, doesn't it.
by Imbalistan » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:12 pm
Chan Island wrote:And I'm expecting this thread to devolve into a
racist and/or religious and/or politics shitshow within 3 pages.
by Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:16 pm
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by Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:16 pm
Dytarma wrote:Illegals are illegal, and they're illegal for a reason
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by Duhon » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:17 pm
Imbalistan wrote:Look, undocumented US migrants should be treated like humans. But, they should have the penalty of not owning a gun.
by Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:18 pm
UIJ wrote:Liriena wrote:About as different as driving with an expired license, at least in the case of a plurality of cases. A significant number of undocumented immigrants only overstayed their visas.
“Only overstayed”
If you have a deadline to be out of the country, and you are not out of the country, that would be a crime.
It’s not like I don’t have sympathy, but under laws, that would be illegal, thus they are here illegally.
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by Igueranel » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:21 pm
Nakena wrote:Absolutly not.
Except that's not what's happening. Presumably you haven't heard of immigrant soldiers being quietly discharged from their posts recently?
Here you go.
by Empires Empire » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:22 pm
Imbalistan wrote:Look, undocumented US migrants should be treated like humans. But, they should have the penalty of not owning a gun.
by Liriena » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:23 pm
Empires Empire wrote:I reserve the right to kick a human off my property who showed up without invitation
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